Governor DeSantis signs transgender bill

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  Do individuals demonize folks for being intolerant ?   For sure.  Does the state need to react by making LGBTQ+ tolerance absent from public life ?  No. 

Of course it does. The state is going to be a reflection of people's attitudes. Politics is always downstream from culture.

And lefty people don't demonize for 'intolerance' - the people on the left demonize for non-assimilation.  There wouldn't be a problem if both sides agreed to disagree but to let each other have their lives. But - that's not enough for the left. They demand you accept their ideology or the culture war is on. Then there can be no peace.

When people get fed up and want to see "pushback" politicians will necessarily pick up on that and run with it.

[reason10]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  Do individuals demonize folks for being intolerant ?   For sure.  Does the state need to react by making LGBTQ+ tolerance absent from public life ?  No. 

The thread has nothing to do with LGBTQ freaks. It is about public schools and CHILDREN. It is about (a) clearing up the pronoun mess, created by left wing goose steppers, (b) preventing teachers from directing CHILDREN to sex change procedures without parental approval, (c) preventing PEDOPHILES posing as drag queens from putting on porn shows for CHILDREN.

Those are the topics.
How about being tolerant of the actual discussion and quit trying to change the subject?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

This thread has nothing to do with blood transfusions. You need to read the first post. You're trying to change the subject, and that's pretty pathetic.

I think you need to try and understand how an internet forum works.  Although, given the level of reading comprehension you show by thinking I was trying to change the subject there, I don't hold out much hope for you doing so.

 

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

There are a lot of topics in this thread: Children getting castrated; pronoun abuse; drag queen shows.

There's a lot of foaming.  Are you sure the people around you are safe?

 

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

A child cannot get a tattoo, buy a firearm, or even CONSUME alcohol until the age of majority. And somehow you left wingers seem to think a teacher should be allowed to direct a CHILD to a medical facility where he/she can be castrated or mutilated

No, we don't.  Well, I don't, anyway.  Again, I think you can't read very well.  I was discussing the difference between such surgery and FGM with another poster, and also comparing my fervent support of adults to choose MAID with the question of where a child's right to choose a procedure should be respected versus the state's responsibility to intervene.  Are you sure you aren't getting foaming spittle in your eyes?  It can happen to angry loonies, and it can make it difficult to read.

 

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

Adults find that contradiction telling. When you become an adult, you might get it.

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[reason10]

48 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I think you need to try and understand how an internet forum works.  Although, given the level of reading comprehension you show by thinking I was trying to change the subject there, I don't hold out much hope for you doing so.

 

There's a lot of foaming.  Are you sure the people around you are safe?

 

No, we don't.  Well, I don't, anyway.  Again, I think you can't read very well.  I was discussing the difference between such surgery and FGM with another poster, and also comparing my fervent support of adults to choose MAID with the question of where a child's right to choose a procedure should be respected versus the state's responsibility to intervene.  Are you sure you aren't getting foaming spittle in your eyes?  It can happen to angry loonies, and it can make it dificult to read.

 

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In other words, you aren't here to discuss anything. Just lob insults.

Definitely an ignorant blue stater.

[impartialobserver]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Of course it's medical.

Genital mutilation is abhorred by legitimate medical people as well but it's still medical.

Doesn't really matter which one you prefer.   You're really proving my point tho and this one is perfect.

Two medical treatments - both seek to make alteration to a person's gender, both are contentious, both are to treat mental concerns, neither are actually considered to be effective treatments for the underlying problems. Both have physcial and psychological elements to the treatment.

They're almost identical.  But - you think the gov't SHOULD interfere with one and think gov'ts should NEVER interfere when talking about the other.

ANd you seem to be standing by that. 

Well - bad news is that makes you a hypocrite. And that really diminishes any value in your opinoon - you're not basing your opinion on facts or logic, just 'muh feels'.

But hey - free country. So if you wish you can do that.

Not to intervene but I think that you two are not talking about the same thing. Conversion therapy could be construed in two ways. 1. Surgical procedure where you remove/alter one's genitals and before/during/after the procedure you do hormone therapy. 2. Psychological intervention where you attempt to change one's behavior with no altering of the body. Changing one's thinking can work on rare occasion but only if the person truly was doubting this reality prior to any conversion happening. 

[impartialobserver]

4 hours ago, reason10 said:

For the vast majority of human history, pronouns were nothing more than an inconvenient part of English Grammar class. In California, men were men, women were women and sheep were nervous. Here's an easy lesson: The left needs to find a more important issue that pronouns. Florida is leading the way to a return to logic and common sense.

I would say that most folks need to find more important issues than pronouns, drag story hours, and such. There was a drag story hour in my town in early April 2023. We had a group of protesters come (between 30 to 40) and with visible guns on most of them. The actual number of kids at the drag story hour.... 4. It lasted a grand total of 20 minutes because the kids were bored. I would think that the protesters should have found something better to do rather than sit in a parking lot and yell and scream. 

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree.  Teach community values by implication.  Don't demonize people as DeSantis has done.

Conservative values means doing things according to what is natural as opposed to progressive intervention. In this case progressives want to expose kids to drag queen shows. I'm for letting them do what they want in their own private setting but not in public. IE the classroom.

Traditional position is to protect children from harm until they are old enough to fully understand their choices. Desantis has done this by restricting sex change operations until the person is 18. We can quibble about the age but it doesn't matter.

What matters most is preventing those with a specific political sexual agenda from bringing that to the kids.

Leaving them alone to grow up naturally as we all did, as everyone before us did, is not political manipulation.

[reason10]

20 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I would say that most folks need to find more important issues than pronouns, drag story hours, and such. There was a drag story hour in my town in early April 2023. We had a group of protesters come (between 30 to 40) and with visible guns on most of them. The actual number of kids at the drag story hour.... 4. It lasted a grand total of 20 minutes because the kids were bored. I would think that the protesters should have found something better to do rather than sit in a parking lot and yell and scream. 

Right now, pronouns, drag shows for tots and child genital mutilation is pretty high on the must-do-something-about list.

Politically incorrect pronoun usage can get someone FIRED from his job, (leaving his family with income.) To me THAT'S important. A family losing a breadwinner because of some limp wristed f@g being triggered by a politically incorrect pronoun? I'm sorry but that doesn't fly.

 

Let's be honest. A drag queen who wants to perform before CHILDREN is a pedophile. PERIOD.  END OF DISCUSSION. And exposing children to pedophiles is a sex crime.

If you have no problem with CHILD GENITAL MUTILATION, you are in the wrong country. You need to be in a Muslim Theocracy, where LITTLE GIRLS experience genital mutilation on a daily basis.

15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Conservative values means doing things according to what is natural as opposed to progressive intervention. In this case progressives want to expose kids to drag queen shows. I'm for letting them do what they want in their own private setting but not in public. IE the classroom.

Traditional position is to protect children from harm until they are old enough to fully understand their choices. Desantis has done this by restricting sex change operations until the person is 18. We can quibble about the age but it doesn't matter.

What matters most is preventing those with a specific political sexual agenda from bringing that to the kids.

Leaving them alone to grow up naturally as we all did, as everyone before us did, is not political manipulation.

Exactly. 18 may be debatable but it is also the age of permission to get a tattoo, buy guns, buy liquor, buy cigarettes, enter the military, and in times of Democrat foreign policy, THE MILITARY DRAFT.

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Let's be honest. A drag queen who wants to perform before CHILDREN is a pedophile. PERIOD.  END OF DISCUSSION. And exposing children to pedophiles is a sex crime.

If you have no problem with CHILD GENITAL MUTILATION, you are in the wrong country. You need to be in a Muslim Theocracy, where LITTLE GIRLS experience genital mutilation on a daily basis.

This is why I can't possibly take you seriously. You jump from the topic of pronouns to child genital mutilation. That shows that you do not think through something thoroughly and take the big picture into account. 

As for drag queens being pedophiles.. there is no raw data to support what you say. Yes, you will send me links to subjective articles that are nothing but opinion. I have already wasted enough of my time with you to know that you have no idea what raw data is. 

[reason10]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree.  Teach community values by implication.  Don't demonize people as DeSantis has done.

Protecting children is NOT demonizing anyone. The FLORIDA LEGISLATURE passed those bills and Governor DeSantis signed them. Nobody is being demonized. Certainly not the GAYLESBIANBISEXUALQUEERTRANS or whatever the acronym stands for. The bill doesn't mention those people.

All you had to do was read the bills (instead of the CNN webpage) and discover what is actually in the bill. In the Parental Rights Protection Act, your CNN hacks referred to it as DON'T SAY GAY, which is a LIE. I provided text to the actual bill and GAY is neither in the bill nor referred to in the bill. So if you're trusting your goose stepping CNN hacks for information, you might as well be attending an inferior blue state school.

Right now, PEOPLE ON YOUR LEFT WING EXTREMIST SIDE OF THE AISLE are the ones doing the demonizing. You are demonizing the SMARTEST GOVERNOR in  America (DeSantis) and the smartest state in America (Florida) and your dumba$$ sources (if you refer to ANY) just lie and lie and lie.

Community values are not IMPLIED. They are TAUGHT.

They should be taught at home. If necessary, public schools have to teach community values. And I'm sorry but pedophile drag shows, Nazi pronoun tyranny, and child genital mutilation are NOT COMMUNITY VALUES.

At least not in the state of Florida.

[Michael Hardner]

36 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Conservative values means doing things according to what is natural as opposed to progressive intervention.

2. In this case progressives want to expose kids to drag queen shows. I'm for letting them do what they want in their own private setting but not in public. IE the classroom.

3. Traditional position is to protect children from harm until they are old enough to fully understand their choices.

4. Desantis has done this by restricting sex change operations until the person is 18. We can quibble about the age but it doesn't matter.

5. What matters most is preventing those with a specific political sexual agenda from bringing that to the kids.

 

1. Hmmm ?  Well I have never heard that definition.  I'm sure you and I could come up with a million counter examples though.
2. I don't think that there are many drag shows in classrooms but I don't doubt that it has happened as an edge case.
3. But claiming as such doesn't mean you are correct, you are taking the high road, or ... anything.  I want my kids to know about the people in our community so I won't accept such claims.
4.  They also play with language as all propagandists do.  Thinking people should reject it.  Even @Perspektiv - a seemingly respectful poster - insists that people who favour teaching kids that gay people EXIST are "groomers" ?  

How exactly am I supposed to engage in a reasonable debate with someone who implies I'm a pedophile ?

5. What are the details ?  A same-sex couple showing up as neighbours in a child's reader is normalization of relationships that have become normal, therefore acceptable.  

 

[reason10]

This is why I can't possibly take you seriously. You jump from the topic of pronouns to child genital mutilation. That shows that you do not think through something thoroughly and take the big picture into account. 

This is why everybody says liberals are the dumbest creatures on the earth. Big picture? Did you EVEN read the first post? I not only gave the RELIABLE LINKS to the stories of all three movements, I CITED THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION. This thread IS THE BIG PICTURE.

As for drag queens being pedophiles.. there is no raw data to support what you say. Yes, you will send me links to subjective articles that are nothing but opinion. I have already wasted enough of my time with you to know that you have no idea what raw data is. 

ALL psychology is nothing but opinion. Most science is just opinion and men NAMING things while calling themselves scientists. It's obvious you've never been a parent, or have EVER read anything about pedophiles. In the 90s, the left wing  APA actually tried to make a case that pedophelia was a normal lifestyle.

Men who dress as women and want to EXCLUSIVELY to sexually suggestive dances in front of children ARE PEDOPHILES.

Professional STRIPPERS who make a ton of money in tips (some paying their way through colleges) work in clubs that FORBID minors from entering. Those girls DO NOT WANT children in the room when they are doing that.

Drag queens who  prefer audiences of children are PEDOPHILES.  People who bring children to watch drag queens are guilty of child abuse.

What's next with you leftist? Letting children play in alligator infested swamps? Letting a five year old drive a car?

Have you people REALLY OD'ed on STUPID pills?