Trudeau's mantra is "fighting climate change".

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

disagree

the NDP are Marxists who believe that man is God and Heaven can be made on Earth by Socialism

remember that Jesus did not say that the poor will receive their reward in this world

what He said was

"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh."

so you will hunger now, weep now, then in the next world,  you will ascend to another life

Christianity is not a promise of Socialist equality, only resurrection

you suffer,  as the individual, on the road to Calvary in the footsteps of the Savior

and by overcoming that suffering, your soul is made, in crucible

 

 

So really, poor people are f@cked.  Revolution is  the only answer!

[Dougie93]

Just now, bcsapper said:

So really, poor people are f@cked.  Revolution is  the only answer!

revolution always backfires on the poor

the revolution inevitably degenerates into catastrophic war which the poor are conscripted to fight

[Guest]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Spewing absolute nonsense again are we? We know you can't describe a single lost freedom, so we'll give you a chance. From a Christian prospective, explain to us how wealth redistribution and graduated tax scales are diabolical.

Hell from the prospective of any religion on Earth explain how helping the needy and regarding greed as a sin is bad.

From a Christian perspective, I don't believe it's possible to both have money and believe in God. 

If I actually, really, definitely, believed my infinitesimally short time on this rock was going to determine whether or not I spent an eternity in Heaven or Hell, I would have zero belongings, and spend the rest of my life looking after lepers.

[Dougie93]

Jesus did not promise a revolution

what Jesus said is that "The Son of Man would come from the Heavens to make Him King of the Hebrews"

so what Jesus was promising was actually a theocratic monarchy

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

revolution always backfires on the poor

the revolution inevitably degenerates into catastrophic war which the poor are conscripted to fight

Sure, but at least they get to take some of the rich oppressors with them.  And who knows, maybe the next time, they'll get it right.

Edited January 19, 2023 by bcsapper

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Jesus did not promise a revolution

what Jesus said is that "The Son of Man would come from the Heavens to make Him King of the Hebrews"

so what Jesus was promising was actually a theocratic monarchy

Hey, just like the SCOTUS!

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Hey, just like the SCOTUS!

this is why Tiberius Caesar imposed crucifixion

crucifixion was reserved for traitors against the Principate

when Jesus said He was the the rightful King of the Hebrews, that was treason against the Imperator 

the Romans would have preferred not to strike Him down

they knew at the time it would simply make him a martyr

so Governor Pilates implored Him to recant, to take it back, then He would be acquitted

when Jesus refused, the Romans hands were tied, they were forced to execute him

then the Roman slave empire collapsed very quickly,

as the Martyr then took over and converted all Romans to kneel before Him

Edited January 19, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Sure, but at least they get to take some of the rich oppressors with you.  And who knows, maybe the next time, they'll get it right.

if you feel the presence of Christ

like a mountain at your back

you are not likely to stay poor for very long after that

you wont see the rich as your oppressors

because the only real poverty is poverty of spirit

once you are saved from that, once you fear no man, only God

then nothing can hold you back, you will soar

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Legato said:

Is the climate changing, yes it it is, always has been, always will. I would be extremely worried if the climate stopped changing. Mans feeble attempts to stop it are laughable.

And yet we made it happen.  Odd, that.

[Queenmandy85]

Prime Minister Trudeau is campaigning on fighting climate change because that is an issue that resonates with many voters. If you are running for office, it is more important to listen to what voters want than tell them what they should want. It is a mistake for politicians to try to convince voters they are wrong. That is not a politician's job. The politician's job is to listen to what voters want and then sort through all the contradictory information and try to deliver what the people want. That is democracy and it is something the CPC needs to heed. 

The trick is to make sure the stakeholders in the fossil fuel industry are looked after by helping them transition to alternatives.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

if you feel the presence of Christ

like a mountain at your back

you are not likely to stay poor for very long after that

you wont see the rich as your oppressors

because the only real poverty is poverty of spirit

once you are saved from that, once you fear no man, only God

then nothing can hold you back, you will soar

That's the problem, isn't it.  If you don't, you're stuck here eating cat food in a cold tent in some unfeeling city park, unless you do something about it.  Did it ever occur to you that such is a reason for religion in the first place?  Control of the masses.  Bread, circuses, and promises.

[Dougie93]

Just now, bcsapper said:

That's the problem, isn't it.  If you don't, you're stuck here eating cat food in a cold tent in some unfeeling city park, unless you do something about it.  Did it ever occur to you that such is a reason for religion in the first place?  Control of the masses.  Bread, circuses, and promises.

there's no reason to eat cat food

you're only eating cat food if you are spiralling into oblivion, falling into the darkness

if you walk with Jesus, He lifts you up

you feel good, you do good, good things happen, miraculous things

your view of everything is altered profoundly, supernaturally

  then you will take action therein immediately to get out of the gutter

no time for wallowing in the bottom of your trench

you are saved

now you must save another

then another

one at a time

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

One of us does.

Don't be a denier now.

You get it. I know you do.

When people say heat records in the summer show climate but a cold record in winter is weather that's blatant stupidity.

I'm saying you're bright enough to get that. Why? Are you trying to prove me wrong?

Edited January 19, 2023 by Infidel Dog

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Don't be a denier now.

You get it. I know you do.

When people say heat records in the summer show climate but a cold record in winter is weather that's blatant stupidity.

I'm saying you're bright enough to get that. Why? are you trying to prove me wrong?

Yeah, I didn't believe you at first.  I can't imagine anyone not knowing that all weather is related to the climate.  Now that I know we're on the same page with climate change I'm happy.

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The politician's job is to listen to what voters want and then sort through all the contradictory information and try to deliver what the people want

Wow!  When did Trudeau ever listen to the voters?   He is busy jetting across the country creating greenhouse gases and selling his climate change agenda and how he is going to save the planet with his "just transition".

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, I didn't believe you at first.  I can't imagine anyone not knowing that all weather is related to the climate.  Now that I know we're on the same page with climate change I'm happy.

Related maybe but not the same thing. Climate begins at a 30 year trend, technically. Weather can be something like a heat wave.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Related maybe but not the same thing. Climate begins at a 30 year trend, technically. Weather can be something like a heat wave.

Absolutely.   I'm not sure what "Climate begins at a 30 year trend" means exactly, but it appears that, generally,  we are in agreement over human caused climate change, and its effect on the weather.

 

[Infidel Dog]

Before trends are considered climate they should have been evident for at least 30 years.

That's a pretty well known parameter. Not sure why you're having a problem with it.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Infidel Dog

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Before trends are considered climate they should have been evident for at least 30 years.

That's a pretty well known parameter. Not sure why you're having a problem with it.

I'm not.  Climate has been around for a long time.  I would have thought you knew that.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Absolutely.   I'm not sure what "Climate begins at a 30 year trend" means exactly, but it appears that, generally,  we are in agreement over human caused climate change, and its effect on the weather.  1880 - 2020 

 

Not sure either.  Here's NASA's temperature graph though:

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not sure either.  Here's NASA's temperature graph though:

Perhaps it refers to the time lag between cause and effect related to human influence on our climate.  It's well known that that the full effect of what we put into our atmosphere will not be felt immediately.  The lag can be in the order of decades.  Thirty years is not unreasonable as a general estimate for some effects.

[blackbird]

"HERE are the 100 reasons, released in a dossier issued by the European Foundation, why climate change is natural and not man-made:

1) There is “no real scientific proof” that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from man’s activity.

2) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute less than 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history.

3) Warmer periods of the Earth’s history came around 800 years before rises in CO2 levels.

4) After World War II, there was a huge surge in recorded CO2 emissions but global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.

5) Throughout the Earth’s history, temperatures have often been warmer than now and CO2 levels have often been higher — more than ten times as high.

6) Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time."

100 reasons why climate change is natural and not man-made | by Wiktorite | Medium

Regardless of the arguments back and forth, nothing gives Trudeau or you the right to tax me because of CO2 existence, regulate my life to the enth degree, stop me from heating my home by making it more expensive, taking my job away from me, and the myriad of others things the dictator is doing.  That is Marxist, Orwellian, and a violation of human rights. 

[Michael Hardner]

Quote

 Peter Lilley MP said last month that,

“fewer people in Britain than in any other country believe in the importance of global warming.

Oh.... an MP said that.  Well who wouldn't be convinced that Climate Change is man made with a statement like that ?

 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh.... an MP said that.  Well who wouldn't be convinced that Climate Change is man made with a statement like that ?

 

Peter Lilley is obviously a prat of the first order.  My countrymen are not in the top ten but according to this 2019 report, we are just under Canada with only 7% of the population under the impression that climate change is not a threat.  Granted, the data is from 2018, but I don't think there's been a major change in attitudes over the last four or five years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/18/a-look-at-how-people-around-the-world-view-climate-change/

Edited January 19, 2023 by bcsapper

[blackbird]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh.... an MP said that.  Well who wouldn't be convinced that Climate Change is man made with a statement like that ?

 

Nobody would be convinced by a statement like that.  It is completely irrelevant.

"15) Professor Plimer, Professor of Geology and Earth Sciences at the University of Adelaide, stated that the idea of taking a single trace gas in the atmosphere, accusing it and finding it guilty of total responsibility for climate change, is an “absurdity”

16) A Harvard University astrophysicist and geophysicist, Willie Soon, said he is “embarrassed and puzzled” by the shallow science in papers that support the proposition that the earth faces a climate crisis caused by global warming.

17) The science of what determines the earth’s temperature is in fact far from settled or understood.

18) Despite activist concerns over CO2 levels, CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas, unlike water vapour which is tied to climate concerns, and which we can’t even pretend to control."

100 reasons why climate change is natural and not man-made | by Wiktorite | Medium

In view of the myriad of opinions, many from scientists, it is amazing that anyone would become a crusader for climate change alarmism or even man-made climate change.   CO2 is a trace gas to begin with and mankind only contributes 3% of the CO2 in the atmosphere.  Water vapour is known to be a greenhouse gas and it has a significant presence.  The sun is the major source of energy that heats the earth plus radiation from other sources in space.  So to automatically jump on the bandwagon as you do and blame man is ludicrous.  There is no validity to credibility to the claim that man is the cause without question.  Politicians especially Trudeau as he is PM have absolutely no right to dive into the debate with his eyes closed to the facts and impose radical solutions on everyone.  What we have is an environmental radical in charge of government.  The fact he would appoint a Greenpeace radical who climbed a tower to the Ministry of Environment is shocking to say the least and proves how outrageous the situation is.