Speaker of the House Debacle

[Boges]

Kevin McCarthy doesn't have the votes! 

20 MAGA far-right loonies refuse to vote for him so the House cant sit. 

In all honesty the 190 or so "RINO'S" in the GOP that aren't bound by MAGA ideology will find more in common with the Dems than this caucus of crazy's. 

Losing the House couldn't have turned out any better for the Dems. 

[Boges]

NM Elected on the Fourth Ballot. 

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

NM Elected on the Fourth Ballot. 

The question will be what he's had to promise the loonies. He already agreed that only 5 members can call to remove the speaker, and last I heard they were demanding he remove all the powers of the ethics committee. 

[Aristides]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

NM Elected on the Fourth Ballot. 

Uh? Who is NM?

[Hodad]

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Uh? Who is NM?

I think he meant "never mind" -- that McCarthy had been elected on the 4th vote. But it's but correct. Day 2 and still the kook faction is holding out.

[Boges]

I was wrong. He's still being stonewalled. 

No end in sight. 

These 20 Congressmen basically want the power to shut down the government if they don't get their way. This tactic will actually move Congress to the Left as, whoever gets elected speaker, will need Dem support to get most things passed. 

[I am Groot]

A clown show where the pedophile and the airhead bimbo are making demands of the rest of the party to meet THEIR high standards of political representation. 

Edited January 6, 2023 by I am Groot

[reason10]

On 1/4/2023 at 8:39 AM, Boges said:

Kevin McCarthy doesn't have the votes! 

20 MAGA far-right loonies refuse to vote for him so the House cant sit. 

In all honesty the 190 or so "RINO'S" in the GOP that aren't bound by MAGA ideology will find more in common with the Dems than this caucus of crazy's. 

Losing the House couldn't have turned out any better for the Dems. 

There is no such thing as a MAGA far right loony. MAGA types work jobs and pay taxes so you can get your welfare checks every month.

What we are seeing is historic human drama unfolding. At some point, McCarthy (who made his own bed by voting with Nazi Pelosi) will have to sign papers including the Freedom Caucus in pretty much every House decision, since the Freedom Caucus makes up most of America. McCarthy will have to move more to the right (towards the center) to get the acceptance of MOST OF AMERICA who basically flipped the House from the Nazis to Republicans.

I look at the bright side. NONE of the members of the House are able to vote, pass any tax increases or any further encroachments on our liberty and our economy until there is a Speaker, because THEY CANNOT BE SWORN IN. America is getting a nice little break from Nazi government while Republicans get it  together.

I'm not surprised by this at all. Republicans are the most independent thinkers in America. Hell, we can't even agree on lunch. Democrats are goose stepping NAZIS who will fall in line at ANY funny looking leader with a mustache.

 

Freedom and liberty are messy.  We have to pay a price for our ability to live our lives without the jack boots of the DemoNazis on our throats.

I'm in NO hurry to see this played out. When it IS resolved, maybe these Republicans can reverse the Obama/Biden Fourth Reich and fix our economy, as well as our leaking borders.

[Boges]

So the goal is pure anarchy? Paralyze the political system. 

For perspective sake there are 20 of 400+ members holding up the entire process. That is not representative of America. It's a small fringe that's holding the rest hostage. 

And who will be hurt by all this. It's the GOP members from swing districts that won by narrow margins. Lauren Boebert could be considered amongst them. No way she wins another General election after this. 

[Nationalist]

It's about 9:30 pm est. In a hh they reconvene. McCarthy now needs to eliminate 2 votes either by changing votes or...by a change in the math due to absenteeism. 

One thing is for sure. McCarthy has made quite a number of concessions in order to get the votes he has now. These concessions undo the changes Pelosi made in order to consolidate power to herself. Unfortunately for Democrats, while they celebrate this process and call it a failure for Republicans, the results of this will drive the Republicans further towards draining the swamp. These "Freedom Caucus" people will get positions on important commitees. The resulting output will be stiff, loud, conservative and...decisive.

Not really anything any Libbie is gonna enjoy watching happen.

[Aristides]

21 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It's about 9:30 pm est. In a hh they reconvene. McCarthy now needs to eliminate 2 votes either by changing votes or...by a change in the math due to absenteeism. 

One thing is for sure. McCarthy has made quite a number of concessions in order to get the votes he has now. These concessions undo the changes Pelosi made in order to consolidate power to herself. Unfortunately for Democrats, while they celebrate this process and call it a failure for Republicans, the results of this will drive the Republicans further towards draining the swamp. These "Freedom Caucus" people will get positions on important commitees. The resulting output will be stiff, loud, conservative and...decisive.

Not really anything any Libbie is gonna enjoy watching happen.

Now all it will take is one Democrat to stand up and file a motion to vacate the chair to throw a wrench into every piece of legislation.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Now all it will take is one Democrat to stand up and file a motion to vacate the chair to throw a wrench into every piece of legislation.

That's true. And they'll vote, the Republicans will vote it down, and the legislation will proceed.

Now...the Democrats could decide to do that perpetually. But after a month or two, how do you figure the average unaffiliated voter will view them?

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That's true. And they'll vote, the Republicans will vote it down, and the legislation will proceed.

Now...the Democrats could decide to do that perpetually. But after a month or two, how do you figure the average unaffiliated voter will view them?

Yes but every time it happens they will have to go through the same goat rope they just went through. McCarthy will have to be reconfirmed by the same dysfunctional bunch.

Chaos hasn't been a concern of the Freedom Caucus or other MAGA'ts, they have just set a precedent.

Edited January 7, 2023 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Yes but every time it happens they will have to go through the same goat rope they just went through. McCarthy will have to be reconfirmed by the same dysfunctional bunch.

Ya know...I hope they do that.

[Aristides]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Ya know...I hope they do that.

I think they will be selective and do it when it is to their political advantage. They have been given a tool to be used at their discretion. 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I think they will be selective and do it when it is to their political advantage. They have been given a tool to be used at their discretion. 

I hope they try...a few times.

[Aristides]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I hope they try...a few times.

Be careful what you wish for.

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Be careful what you wish for.

Meh...do it.

Just another destructive Libbie idea.

[Guest]

Hahaha, I thought McCarthy was going to stick one on Matt Gaetz there. 

That would have been great. 

[reason10]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

Yes but every time it happens they will have to go through the same goat rope they just went through. McCarthy will have to be reconfirmed by the same dysfunctional bunch.

Chaos hasn't been a concern of the Freedom Caucus or other MAGA'ts, they have just set a precedent.

The dysfunctional bunch is the DemoNazis, who inflicted this country with runaway inflation, historically highest gasoline prices, record highest crime rates, an open southern border.

The dysfunctional has been replaced by the Republicans.

[Aristides]

34 minutes ago, reason10 said:

The dysfunctional bunch is the DemoNazis, who inflicted this country with runaway inflation, historically highest gasoline prices, record highest crime rates, an open southern border.

The dysfunctional has been replaced by the Republicans.

And their solution to all of those is to go after the Bidens and keep refighting the election. 

[reason10]

17 hours ago, Aristides said:

And their solution to all of those is to go after the Bidens and keep refighting the election. 

You apparently don't read anything or watch anything other than THE VIEW.

Here's the Republican agenda for America from the House:

https://nypost.com/2022/11/12/gop-house-agenda-immigration-budget-and-hunter-biden/

If they manage it, the GOP will have the power to hamstring President Biden’s legislative agenda for the next two years, tamp down his spending, and investigate his administration, the Biden family, and even the chief executive himself.

“Now we have to deliver,” said Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), pointing to the party’s “Commitment to America” election platform that promised to expand domestic energy production, repeal the 87,000-agent expansion of the IRS, and probe Biden’s Justice Department and the origins of COVID-19.

Immigration and border security — which this week’s Golden/TIPP poll cited as the main concern of 38% of those surveyed, including 21% of Democrats — will likely be at the top of the Republican to-do list if they nail down the win.

[Aristides]

That's what I said, their priority will be going after the Biden's.

[reason10]

23 hours ago, Aristides said:

That's what I said, their priority will be going after the Biden's.

In other words, you are brain dead.

Overturning the disastrous effects of Unelected Joe is NOT going after the Bidens.

The House can't impeach Unelected Joe anyway, because the Senate will just let that son of a beech skate. They know that.

But they can reverse the damage that unelected racist has caused.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

In other words, you are brain dead.

Overturning the disastrous effects of Unelected Joe is NOT going after the Bidens.

The House can't impeach Unelected Joe anyway, because the Senate will just let that son of a beech skate. They know that.

But they can reverse the damage that unelected racist has caused.

Like I said, first priority is going after Biden. As far as legislation goes, Democrats still control the Senate and there is the presidential veto.