How Long After the 2020 Election Did We Learn About The FBI's Role in Creating the Plot to Kidnap Gretchen Whitmer?

[BeaverFever]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Thanks to this thread, I just found out that another unlucky chap died of Hillarcide, er, suicide....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681551/Journalist-broke-Bill-Clinton-Loretta-Lynch-tarmac-story-dies-suicide.html

Musta jumped down an elevator shaft onto some bullets. 

CONSPIRACYYYYYYYY!!!!!’

 

AHHHHHHHHHH!

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Robo doesn't even pretend to have a relationship with the truth or reality. He's pretty certain that the number of raindrops that may or may not have fallen during Trump's inauguration speech is the biggest lie in US political history.

Stop LYING. I never said anything LIKE ^YOUR STRAWMAN. The ONLY reason I proved you wrong using YOUR evidence is because YOU would not admit ON SITE reporters' accounts were true. AND you claimed that your ONE supposed proof it was false meant ALL THE REST of 30,000 lies were false.

IOW, YOU were the one who magnified the importance of that one lie.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This thread is about the fact that the FBI cooked up a plot to kidnap a US governor, then just conveniently "foiled the plot" (their own plot) a month before a federal election, Robo wants to act like this is a much smaller deal than raindropgate.

NO I DO NOT. YOU CHOSE to make raindropgate your hill to die on.

Of course the ILLEGAL targeting of Whitmer is much more important as the CONVICTIONS HAVE PROVEN.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The FBI also lied to the American electorate about the Hunter laptop at the exact same time, saying that it was Russian disinformation when they knew it was legitimate.

We still don't "know" all the BULLSHIT about the laptop is legitimate. Your imagination does not prove ANYTHING.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The FBI also committed crimes to get warrants to spy on members of Trump's campaign, leaked info about members they were spying on, all in an effort to bolster a public smear campaign disguised as a criminal investigation.

How many actual crimes were proven to have been committed in the Russian collusion saga? Just those of the FBI members. 

The FBI stinks and these alt-left weasels are just here to muddy the waters. Ignore them. 

10 instances of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE BY TRUMP were DETAILED by Mueller.

Numerous Trump cronies required PARDONS for their CONVICTIONS.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The FBI stinks and these alt-left weasels are just here to muddy the waters. Ignore them

Of course criminals always hate law enforcement. All but 2 of your Michigan kidnap plotters who have seen trial have been convicted or pleaded guilty. The jury has spoken. Literally. The use of informants to catch criminals is not new or controversial 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Stop LYING. I never said anything LIKE ^YOUR STRAWMAN. The ONLY reason I proved you wrong using YOUR evidence is because YOU would not admit ON SITE reporters' accounts were true. AND you claimed that your ONE supposed proof it was false meant ALL THE REST of 30,000 lies were false.

Dude, of course you lied... It's what you do.

All I do is reference your lies. 

WashPo was busted for two lies in their opening paragraph, they were thoroughly discredited, end of story. Get over it. 

Quote

IOW, YOU were the one who magnified the importance of that one lie.

Dude, it's not about the size of the issue that WashPo was lying about, it's about the fact that they told lies about a living human being again. That's extremely serious all by itself. 

It was even serious when WashPo lied about Nick Sandman, a 17 yr old high school kid, because their slander carries a lot of weight with a lot of retards.

Quote

NO I DO NOT. YOU CHOSE to make raindropgate your hill to die on.

 Raindropgate shouldn't even have been a thing, but just like I predicted, your list of "TWUMP'S WIES" had raindropgate right at the top - in the opening paragraph. 

Find a new liar, or stop whining when I pick on your old ones.

Quote

Of course the ILLEGAL targeting of Whitmer is much more important as the CONVICTIONS HAVE PROVEN.

Convicting people of getting caught up in an FBI plot is just more evidence of the FBI's crimes. 

The not-guilty verdicts are of far more importance than the convictions, because their not guilty verdicts were a result of proving FBI ENTRAPMENT.

Quote

We still don't "know" all the BULLSHIT about the laptop is legitimate. Your imagination does not prove ANYTHING.

Yeah we do. One of Hunter's former partners even explained it all in recorded interviews. In ten years, after Biden is no longer a political asset, and a Republican is guilty of similar malfeasance, ABC and NBC will suddenly care about this kind of crime. Til then, nothing.

Quote

10 instances of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE BY TRUMP were DETAILED by Mueller.

Mueller's FBI committed actual crimes against Trump, Trump played along with their witch hunt for years. and in all that time Mueller thinks he has something to be pissy about. Gimme a break. The FBI was guilty of 10,000 counts of obstructing the president.

Quote

Numerous Trump cronies required PARDONS for their CONVICTIONS.

There wasn't a single conviction of any Trump associates for anything related to collusion. Manafort was found guilty of crimes that the FBI had already investigated him for in 1995. They used those old non-crimes to try and coerce false testimony against Trump. It was pretty bad. The FBI is no better than the DNC Mafia.

[WestCanMan]

35 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

All but 2 of your Michigan kidnap plotters 

Innocent on account of a successful entrapment defence. 

There ya go. 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Innocent on account of a successful entrapment defence. 

There ya go. 

LMAO that was 2 out of 14. There you go again pretending a grain of sand is a mountain and a mountain is a grain of sand 

How about all those who were found or pleaded GUILTY?  “Pay no attention! Pay no attention!”

Edited January 4, 2023 by BeaverFever

[robosmith]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude, of course you lied... It's what you do.

All I do is reference your lies. 

YOU ARE LYING. I proved it rained USING YOUR EVIDENCE, showing hundreds of raindrops on Obama's chair and a wet umbrella held by a woman ON TRUMP'S stage. The time stamp is there so you can review the video IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH.

 

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

WashPo was busted for two lies in their opening paragraph, they were thoroughly discredited, end of story. Get over it. 

IT RAINED. You get over it. 

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude, it's not about the size of the issue that WashPo was lying about, it's about the fact that they told lies about a living human being again. That's extremely serious all by itself. 

Your "evidence" does NOT prove it didn't rain. YOU won't even acknowledge how difficult it is to prove a negative.

Do you even understand that logic?

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It was even serious when WashPo lied about Nick Sandman, a 17 yr old high school kid, because their slander carries a lot of weight with a lot of retards.

 Raindropgate shouldn't even have been a thing, but just like I predicted, your list of "TWUMP'S WIES" had raindropgate right at the top - in the opening paragraph.

It was just ONE EXAMPLE. Being first on the list was only because it was his first LIE during the admin.

And your CLAIM that it discredits ever other LIE on the list fails the laugh test.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Find a new liar, or stop whining when I pick on your old ones.

I'm NOT whining, I'm USING YOUR EVIDENCE to PROVE YOU WRONG.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Convicting people of getting caught up in an FBI plot is just more evidence of the FBI's crimes. 

Getting the COURT to AGREE to the CRIME is NOT evidence of FBI misconduct.

Logic FAIL on your part.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The not-guilty verdicts are of far more importance than the convictions, because their not guilty verdicts were a result of proving FBI ENTRAPMENT.

The majority of cases proved that didn't happen.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah we do. One of Hunter's former partners even explained it all in recorded interviews. In ten years, after Biden is no longer a political asset, and a Republican is guilty of similar malfeasance, ABC and NBC will suddenly care about this kind of crime. Til then, nothing.

Sure. Go ahead and revisit the evidence in 10 years and in the mean time you can cling to your delusions.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Mueller's FBI committed actual crimes against Trump, Trump played along with their witch hunt for years. and in all that time Mueller thinks he has something to be pissy about. Gimme a break. The FBI was guilty of 10,000 counts of obstructing the president.

Mueller was NOT in the FBI during Trump's admin. Duh.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There wasn't a single conviction of any Trump associates for anything related to collusion. Manafort was found guilty of crimes that the FBI had already investigated him for in 1995. They used those old non-crimes to try and coerce false testimony against Trump. It was pretty bad. The FBI is no better than the DNC Mafia.

Keep on IGNORING the CONCLUSION of Manafort's collusion with Kilimnik as detailed in the Republican led Senate Intel Committee report.

report_volume5.pdf - Senate Intelligence Committee

The New Russia Sanctions Resolve a Mystery That Mueller Left Unanswered

Quote

But there it was: Under a heading labeled “Treasury Targets Known Russian Agent Konstantin Kilimnik,” the department announced that Kilimnik—whom the press release described as a “Russian and Ukrainian political consultant and known Russian Intelligence Services agent”—had, in 2016, “provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy.”

Both the Mueller report and the Senate investigation established that Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort had passed that sensitive information to Kilimnik—but only now, years later, has the Treasury Department unveiled what Kilimnik did with it. With President Trump no longer in office, the development has attracted less excitement than it might have during the era of constant outrages about Trump’s friendliness with the Russian government and the former president’s attempts to hamstring investigations into his willingness to accept foreign help. But the Kilimnik news is worth paying attention to. As the New York Times put it, the Treasury Department’s press release provides “the strongest evidence to date that Russian spies had penetrated the inner workings of the Trump campaign” in 2016.

 

[West]

On 1/3/2023 at 6:50 PM, WestCanMan said:

Dude, of course you lied... It's what you do.

All I do is reference your lies. 

WashPo was busted for two lies in their opening paragraph, they were thoroughly discredited, end of story. Get over it. 

Dude, it's not about the size of the issue that WashPo was lying about, it's about the fact that they told lies about a living human being again. That's extremely serious all by itself. 

It was even serious when WashPo lied about Nick Sandman, a 17 yr old high school kid, because their slander carries a lot of weight with a lot of retards.

 Raindropgate shouldn't even have been a thing, but just like I predicted, your list of "TWUMP'S WIES" had raindropgate right at the top - in the opening paragraph. 

Find a new liar, or stop whining when I pick on your old ones.

Convicting people of getting caught up in an FBI plot is just more evidence of the FBI's crimes. 

The not-guilty verdicts are of far more importance than the convictions, because their not guilty verdicts were a result of proving FBI ENTRAPMENT.

Yeah we do. One of Hunter's former partners even explained it all in recorded interviews. In ten years, after Biden is no longer a political asset, and a Republican is guilty of similar malfeasance, ABC and NBC will suddenly care about this kind of crime. Til then, nothing.

Mueller's FBI committed actual crimes against Trump, Trump played along with their witch hunt for years. and in all that time Mueller thinks he has something to be pissy about. Gimme a break. The FBI was guilty of 10,000 counts of obstructing the president.

There wasn't a single conviction of any Trump associates for anything related to collusion. Manafort was found guilty of crimes that the FBI had already investigated him for in 1995. They used those old non-crimes to try and coerce false testimony against Trump. It was pretty bad. The FBI is no better than the DNC Mafia.

Problem with the lefties is all the dehumanization.. they don't care that they slandered a CHILD because to them anybody who doesn't think like them is bad.. 

We live among some truly sick people unfortunately

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, West said:

Problem with the lefties is all the dehumanization.. they don't care that they slandered a CHILD because to them anybody who doesn't think like them is bad.. 

We live among some truly sick people unfortunately

Like the time Rush Limbaugh called 13 year-old Chelsea Clinton the White House’s new dog?

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

YOU ARE LYING. I proved it rained USING YOUR EVIDENCE, showing hundreds of raindrops on Obama's chair and a wet umbrella held by a woman ON TRUMP'S stage. The time stamp is there so you can review the video IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH.

 

IT RAINED. You get over it. 

Your "evidence" does NOT prove it didn't rain. YOU won't even acknowledge how difficult it is to prove a negative.

Do you even understand that logic?

A few small droplets of rain landed in a portion of the crowd over a span of a few seconds and WashPo wants to call the president a liar for years about that. 

Trump said that his crowd was bigger than Obama's because it looked big and the only data available at the time was transit ridership that day and he turned out to be wrong, WashPo calls that a lie when it clearly wasn't, he was just wrong.

These are the two staples of WashPo's "TWUMP IZ A LIOW" campaign, and they've been referenced thousands of times by dolts like you as evidence that your fantasies about Trump are real.

At the same time as you're shrieking "TRUMO IS A LIAR! IT RAINED! A PORTION OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CROWD HAD TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE ELEMENTS FOR 11.4 SECONDS!" you say things like "It's no big deal that Joe Biden told the media over and over again that he didn't know Hunter was busy making over $10M dollars in the two countries that Biden was conducting the most official business in". Leftards say "The crimes committed by the FBI weren't that big of a deal. Clinesmith thought that his lie was important. Entrapment, enshmapment. Lying to the American public so that the NYPost can be kicked off of Twitter was no big deal....

There are all kinds of different lies robo: fabrication, lying by omission, gross exaggeration, plagiarism, deceit, bold-face lies, white lies, etc...  You appreciate the absolute worst types of lies from your fellow leftards while you lie by exaggeration to make the claim that Trump was a liar. 

FYI what Trump did in those two instances wasn't "lying". In one instance he was merely wrong, the other was almost 100% accurate because in 17+ minutes, only a few small drops of rain fell when they were expecting it to pour. Where I live, the lower mainland of BC, we'd say "It didn't rain" as well under those circumstances.

As an example, I did the West Coast Trail with my wife and in 7 days we just got a few sprinkles of rain for about 5 minutes one day, not even enough to cool us off. When we reached the end of the trail we said "Thank God it didn't rain, that could have been ugly if it had rained" and we both knew exactly what that meant. I still feel that way. If people ask I say the weather was fantastic. If they ask if we got rained on I say "Nope. Just a light sprinkle for a few minutes on one day." No one ever called me a liar, but I guess my answer had no political ramifications.

You're just not a smart guy robo. WshPo tells you to have an emotion, based on their own lies, and you fall for it. Jst remember, when I asked you for proof of Trump's lies I told you that whatever list you came up with would feature those two "inaccurate anecdotes" prominently and you had no choice but trot them out because they're the centrepiece of the leftard story. 

Now hit the skids boiiii.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Like the time Rush Limbaugh called 13 year-old Chelsea Clinton the White House’s new dog?

That's a non sequitur.

1) You're referencing one person's inappropriate comment, we're referencing the rallying cry of the leftards

2) That seems like some kind of joke, even if in poor taste, and it's obviously not a 'lie' because no one thought that he actually meant she suddenly transformed into canis familiaris.

[West]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Like the time Rush Limbaugh called 13 year-old Chelsea Clinton the White House’s new dog?

So you are equating one persons off sides comment to the leftist kingdom knowingly lying about a child which if not corrected had real life implications for him such as death threats and colleges refusing admission for not being woke?

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, West said:

So you are equating one persons off sides comment to the leftist kingdom knowingly lying about a child which if not corrected had real life implications for him such as death threats and colleges refusing admission for not being woke?

Most leftists don't even know about WashPo's slander and Nick Sandman's subsequent lawsuits, just like they aren't aware that SNC Lavalin has a court-documented history of bribing officials, they don't know that FBI members were demoted, fired and even found guilty of crimes for their part in the Russian collusion hoax, they don't know that the Gretchen Whitmer plot was actually hatched by the FBI resulting in a successful entrapment defence by two of the main "conspirators, they aren't aware that the FBI (let's just call them the DNC Mafia now, because that's what they are) lied about the laptop resulting in the NYPost being banned from Twitter.

A small percent of leftists know what's actually going on and they're congenital liars, most leftards are just complete rubes who blindly follow the DNC/LPOC/MSM liars, oblivious to everything and completely resistant to logic & proven facts.