DONKIROCK Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) What's Wrong With Socialism? (9:07) It enslaves and murders and deprives you of your freedom and makes you go out at night with sticks looking for dogs, cats and pigeons to kill and eat. Why aren't people jumping into small boats escaping Florida to live in Cuba? ? Edited October 12, 2022 by DONKIROCK Quote
Rebound Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 Really? Tell me about all those senior citizens who would be dead without Social Security and Medicare. 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
herbie Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 Hey GOP American, it's not 1953 anymore the Red Menace is gone. You can come out from under the bed,,, 1 Quote
sharkman Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 The problem with socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money. 1 Quote
DONKIROCK Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, herbie said: Hey GOP American, it's not 1953 anymore the Red Menace is gone. You can come out from under the bed,,, Nope. You are either an agent of the Leftist cause or uninformed. Quote
DONKIROCK Posted October 12, 2022 Author Report Posted October 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, herbie said: Hey GOP American, it's not 1953 anymore the Red Menace is gone. You can come out from under the bed,,, People are enslaved right now and Cloward-Piven is being constructed right before your eyes. Are you blind, bad or dimwitted? Quote
herbie Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 Ooohh brain injured Helen Keller moved up to the 1960s... Quote
Rebound Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, DONKIROCK said: Nope. You are either an agent of the Leftist cause or uninformed. Really? People living on a Caribbean island are poor? Did you figure that out all by yourself? Are they worse off than the people on other Caribbean islands? I’ve been to the U.S. Virgin Islands and the locals look pretty damn poor to me. Edited October 13, 2022 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
reason10 Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 22 hours ago, Rebound said: Really? Tell me about all those senior citizens who would be dead without Social Security and Medicare. Government spending (either Discretionary or Transfer payments) is not socialism. Yes, the welfare state is a vehicle of the left and it's easy to assume the left is all about socialism. Most leftists claim they support socialism without knowing what it actually is. Read the Communist Manifesto. Pretty much lays out the structure. Socialism is the abolition of all private property. It is the government owning all means of production. If you want to know the problem I have with it, you should look at history. The most murderous regimes (Stalin, HItler, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, etc) were socialist. Today, socialism accounts for basically the ghetto regions of the world. Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc. Ghettos. Socialism is a form of government and philosophy that has failed the test of time. Quote
Rebound Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, reason10 said: Government spending (either Discretionary or Transfer payments) is not socialism. Yes, the welfare state is a vehicle of the left and it's easy to assume the left is all about socialism. Most leftists claim they support socialism without knowing what it actually is. Read the Communist Manifesto. Pretty much lays out the structure. Socialism is the abolition of all private property. It is the government owning all means of production. If you want to know the problem I have with it, you should look at history. The most murderous regimes (Stalin, HItler, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, etc) were socialist. Today, socialism accounts for basically the ghetto regions of the world. Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc. Ghettos. Socialism is a form of government and philosophy that has failed the test of time. Governments today can be broadly broken down into two forms: Single-party government, and multi-party government. There are many single-party governments: Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea. Wherever you have single-party government, you have crackdowns on civil rights and freedom, because the ruling party wants to stay in power. Where you have multi-party government, you almost always have better civil rights conditions, because political dissent and opposition are allowed. So what you try to distinguish as Capitalist/Socialist, I think is better described as Single Party/Multi-Party. The Marxist definition of Socialism is different from pre-existing and post-Marx definitions of Socialism. Marx did not invent the term and he and Engles used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably. By the commonly used, non-Marxist definitions, social security is socialist and the US military is communist. 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
robosmith Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, reason10 said: Government spending (either Discretionary or Transfer payments) is not socialism. Yes, the welfare state is a vehicle of the left and it's easy to assume the left is all about socialism. Most leftists claim they support socialism without knowing what it actually is. Read the Communist Manifesto. Pretty much lays out the structure. Socialism is the abolition of all private property. It is the government owning all means of production. If you want to know the problem I have with it, you should look at history. The most murderous regimes (Stalin, HItler, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, etc) were socialist. Today, socialism accounts for basically the ghetto regions of the world. Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc. Ghettos. Socialism is a form of government and philosophy that has failed the test of time. No socialist governments have ever conformed to your definition. Do you know that after WWII, Great Britain's government was run by elected Socialists and it nationalized a significant percentage of domestic companies? It was never close to 100%. Communist governments such as the USSR and China have come much closer to owning the entire means of production. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Rebound said: ... the US military is communist. wait... what ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Rebound Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: wait... what ? Sure. I mean… think about it: The entire apparatus is owned fully by the government, right? Funded by the people and owned and operated and controlled 100% by the government. Isn’t that the definition of communism? Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Michael Hardner Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rebound said: Sure. I mean… think about it: The entire apparatus is owned fully by the government, right? Funded by the people and owned and operated and controlled 100% by the government. Isn’t that the definition of communism? All governments have a monopoly on security - internet, external, secret etc. It's a little silly to call it communist imo Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Rebound Posted October 13, 2022 Report Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Michael Hardner said: All governments have a monopoly on security - internet, external, secret etc. It's a little silly to call it communist imo Silly, but nonetheless accurate. Look, the only thing wrong with the label is its stigma. Frankly, a capitalist military would be an absolutely disastrous idea. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
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