DONKIROCK Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 Which of the major problems plaguing America today IS NOT the fault of Democrats? Without doing any research, I can't do anything but mount a "liberal's advocacy" of the idea that virtually all the major problems we are being forced to deal with are the direct result of Democrats. Quote
Nationalist Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 This happens to be true. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 Climate Change The national debt Inflation Abortion bans 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
DONKIROCK Posted October 6, 2022 Author Report Posted October 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, Rebound said: Climate Change The national debt Inflation Abortion bans 3 out of 4 reasons to vote for Trump. Abortion would be solved. Inflation would be solved. The national debt would be solved. Quote
Nationalist Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, Rebound said: Climate Change The national debt Inflation Abortion bans OK... Climate Change is the Republicans' fault...how exactly? The national debt? Lol... Inflation? ROFLMAO... Abortion bans? So...you do not think it best to adhere to the Constitution? Is that what you're saying? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
DONKIROCK Posted October 6, 2022 Author Report Posted October 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, Rebound said: Climate Change The national debt Inflation Abortion bans Quote
Rebound Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: OK... Climate Change is the Republicans' fault...how exactly? The national debt? Lol... Inflation? ROFLMAO... Abortion bans? So...you do not think it best to adhere to the Constitution? Is that what you're saying? According to you, Trump is the leading cause of inflation. You provided me with a link to a document written by Heritage Foundation. It clearly stated that Donald Trump is the number one cause of our current inflation condition. If you look at the annual deficits since 1976, it is clear that they ALWAYS grew fastest under Republican Presidents, except for Bush I. It’s fact. Republicans talk about the deficit a lot, but when they get in power they pass massive unfunded tax cuts and spending increases. You cannot deny it, at least not factually. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Nationalist Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rebound said: According to you, Trump is the leading cause of inflation. You provided me with a link to a document written by Heritage Foundation. It clearly stated that Donald Trump is the number one cause of our current inflation condition. If you look at the annual deficits since 1976, it is clear that they ALWAYS grew fastest under Republican Presidents, except for Bush I. It’s fact. Republicans talk about the deficit a lot, but when they get in power they pass massive unfunded tax cuts and spending increases. You cannot deny it, at least not factually. You mean this Heritage Foundation? https://www.heritage.org/markets-and-finance/commentary/let-them-have-inflation Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: You mean this Heritage Foundation? https://www.heritage.org/markets-and-finance/commentary/let-them-have-inflation That is an editorial, and does not explain the causes of or solutions to inflation. New Rule: Before you post a link, read the article, not just the headline, Because I’m tired of reading these articles and explaining them to you. Edited October 6, 2022 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
robosmith Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, DONKIROCK said: 3 out of 4 reasons to vote for Trump. Abortion would be solved. Inflation would be solved. The national debt would be solved. LMAO. In Trump's 4 years he EXPLODED the debt with huge tax cuts. Smart people know that Trump's HUGE deficit spending STIMULUS while the economy was booming, greatly increased the MONEY SUPPLY which CAUSED inflation. Of course that was BEFORE Trump's incompetent and dishonest handling of the pandemic put a damper on the economy (millions of jobs lost) and the money supply. 1 Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 Only a Progressive would try to sell us on the idea that too much success causes inflation. As to Trump's handling of the pandemic if Biden thought the worse part of that (lockdowns, Fauci and the vaccine) worked he shouldn't have tried to take ownership of them and doubled down when he took power. Trump was battling an unknown enemy with what seemed best at the time. Biden adopted the failed experiments and tried to sell them as successes. 1 Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 The worse handling of the Chinese Virus happened in Democrat states like New York and Michigan. The best in Republican states like Florida and South Dakota. 1 1 Quote
robosmith Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Only a Progressive would try to sell us on the idea that too much success causes inflation. As to Trump's handling of the pandemic if Biden thought the worse part of that (lockdowns, Fauci and the vaccine) worked he shouldn't have tried to take ownership of them and doubled down when he took power. Trump was battling an unknown enemy with what seemed best at the time. Biden adopted the failed experiments and tried to sell them as successes. It's the INCREASE in the MONEY SUPPLY that causes inflation. Money supply is increased by a higher velocity of money which is a major effect of a booming economy. ANY economist will tell you that. Quote
robosmith Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: The worse handling of the Chinese Virus happened in Democrat states like New York and Michigan. The best in Republican states like Florida and South Dakota. You are mistaking handling with exposure. NY was EXPOSED to the 2nd of Trump's super-spreader events when he announced the shutdown of flights from Europe with NO PLANNING, testing, or quarantining of the massive panic return of US citizens. Did you miss the video of US citizens jam packing the European airports without masks, trying to get back? Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, robosmith said: It's the INCREASE in the MONEY SUPPLY that causes inflation. Yeah, I know. I saw what you did there. You did that Proggy thing where you take a legitimate point from the other side and try to apply it for your side. But it never quite fits. But yes, when the Biden Democrats started printing massive increases of American dollars to pay for their pork ridden trillion dollar Bills passed under their watch dollars were worth less. Add to that the increase in the price of gas inflating the price of everything and you have massive inflation. Edited October 6, 2022 by Infidel Dog 1 Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, robosmith said: You are mistaking handling with exposure. NY was EXPOSED to the 2nd of Trump's super-spreader events when he announced the shutdown of flights from Europe with NO PLANNING, testing, or quarantining of the massive panic return of US citizens. Did you miss the video of US citizens jam packing the European airports without masks, trying to get back? I didn't miss the fact that Whitmer and Cuomo were packing old folks homes with other infected, killing thousands. I didn't miss the fact they were offered Giant hospital ships by Trump to treat the infected but refused them. I didn't miss the fact New York and Michigan stayed locked down longer than Florida and South Dakota decimating the Democrat economies but saving the Republican ones. Edited October 6, 2022 by Infidel Dog 1 Quote
robosmith Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said: Yeah, I know. I saw what you did there. You did that Proggy thing where you take a legitimate point from the other side and try to apply it for your side. But it never quite fits. No reason to believe ^this (bolded) opinion. 1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said: But yes, when the Biden Democrats started printing massive increases of American dollars to pay for their pork ridden trillion dollar Bills passed under their watch dollars were worth less. Trump printed FAR MORE money for his TAX CUTS and pandemic stimulus spending but you missed that for some reason. 1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said: Add to that the increase in the price of gas inflating the price of everything and you have massive inflation. It's a world wide phenomena but you ONLY "see" "Biden bad." Try again. Quote
robosmith Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said: I didn't miss the fact that Whitmer and Cuomo were packing old folks homes with other infected, killing thousands. You mean instead of FORCING NYC hotel owners to house them and pay for the massive disinfection costs? 1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said: I didn't miss the fact they were offered Giant hospital ships by Trump to treat the infected but refused them. Those ships were NOT designed for infectious disease treatment. 1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said: I didn't miss the fact New York and Michigan stayed locked down longer than Florida and South Dakota decimating the Democrat economies but saving the Republican ones. At the cost of much HIGHER death rates in FL and SD. But I guess that SD motorcycle PARTY was worth it, right? Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, robosmith said: No reason to believe ^this (bolded) opinion. Trump printed FAR MORE money for his TAX CUTS and pandemic stimulus spending but you missed that for some reason. It's a world wide phenomena but you ONLY "see" "Biden bad." Try again. Well not again because it should have been enough the first time. How about some more, because you seem to be having trouble with the facts. " President Trump is accused of saying a lot of stupid things by Bob Woodward in the journalist’s new book, “Fear: Trump in the White House.” One dumb thing was Trump’s alleged comment to Gary Cohn, his chief economic adviser, about how to lower the budget deficit. “Just run the presses — print money,” Trump told Cohn, the former No. 2 at Goldman Sachs, according to the book. If Trump really said it, that is dumb. But it should be pointed out that the Federal Reserve did something not too different from running the presses: quantitative easing. Essentially, the Fed created trillions of dollars of new “money” so it could act as the shill buyer at government bond auctions. The “money,” actually digital credits on the banks’ Fed accounts, was used to buy US bonds to keep interest rates low — allowing people and companies to borrow cheaply. So, laugh at Trump if you want. But understand the whole story." https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/the-whole-story-behind-trumps-alleged-print-money-comment/ So then... https://www.quora.com/How-many-trillions-of-dollars-in-total-has-the-US-printed-under-Trump-and-its-administration-The-guy-claimed-that-he-was-the-best-person-to-manage-the-US-economy-in-the-world?share=1 Edited October 6, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rebound said: According to you, Trump is the leading cause of inflation. You provided me with a link to a document written by Heritage Foundation. It clearly stated that Donald Trump is the number one cause of our current inflation condition. Produce it. I'm calling bullshit until you do. I don't believe the Heritage Foundation ever said that. I think you might be talking about this below. If that's correct tell me and I'll show you why it doesn't really say what you want it to. Quote The problem is that it takes more than transitory distortions to make durable, economywide inflation. It takes either an enormous flood of fresh money or systematic government policies that crush production. In fact, the federal government is delivering both. Since the pandemic, the government has flooded the economy with $6 trillion in deficit spending, nearly all helpfully converted to cash by a lapdog Federal Reserve. This tsunami of money crashed into production already crushed by capricious lockdowns. Even as Democrats reluctantly abandoned lockdowns, they were busy unleashing a flood of new restrictions targeting energy production and distribution, farmers, manufacturing, logistics, and small businesses, often using the environment, unions, or COVID-19 as the excuse. Of course, if Biden and congressional Democrats had their way, it would be far worse: The Senate came within a few votes of passing Biden’s so-called Build Back Better plan, which would have handed trillions to special interests while hobbling the economy, exploding inflation, and driving shortages far beyond baby formula. The goofy Green New Deal might have spent $93 trillion—over a million dollars per family—on top of economy-crushing mandates. In sum, this administration and congressional Democrats are doing everything they can to drive inflation higher. https://www.heritage.org/markets-and-finance/commentary/now-91-bidens-inflation-keeps-getting-worse Edited October 6, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) Here's the thing. Let's suppose you're correct about Trump causing inflation by increasing the production of money and decreasing production in reaction to the pandemic. Very well. Why does Biden keep doing it? Only more so. Very much more so. He doesn't even have the pandemic to blame any more. Edited October 6, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote
Dougie93 Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, DONKIROCK said: I am a fan of old school hip hop but on this forum, you have to post some statement to go with an image or video otherwise the moderator calls it "image trolling" I don't get it, but that's the rules around here Edited October 6, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote
robosmith Posted October 6, 2022 Report Posted October 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Well not again because it should have been enough the first time. How about some more, because you seem to be having trouble with the facts. " President Trump is accused of saying a lot of stupid things by Bob Woodward in the journalist’s new book, “Fear: Trump in the White House.” One dumb thing was Trump’s alleged comment to Gary Cohn, his chief economic adviser, about how to lower the budget deficit. “Just run the presses — print money,” Trump told Cohn, the former No. 2 at Goldman Sachs, according to the book. If Trump really said it, that is dumb. But it should be pointed out that the Federal Reserve did something not too different from running the presses: quantitative easing. Essentially, the Fed created trillions of dollars of new “money” so it could act as the shill buyer at government bond auctions. The “money,” actually digital credits on the banks’ Fed accounts, was used to buy US bonds to keep interest rates low — allowing people and companies to borrow cheaply. So, laugh at Trump if you want. But understand the whole story." https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/the-whole-story-behind-trumps-alleged-print-money-comment/ So then... https://www.quora.com/How-many-trillions-of-dollars-in-total-has-the-US-printed-under-Trump-and-its-administration-The-guy-claimed-that-he-was-the-best-person-to-manage-the-US-economy-in-the-world?share=1 FALSE EQUIVALENCE. Obama had to deal with GWB's great recession. IF ANYTHING, he was rightfully accused of GOING TOO SLOW on the stimulus cause at that level it took much longer than necessary to dig out of Bush's hole. Biden learned that lesson and went whole hog. We have a very strong job market to show for that. Trump came into office with a full recovery and proceeded to ADD MORE STIMULUS from the get go. Just cause he wanted to ensure his re-election. Too bad he f'd up the pandemic badly or he might have won (and saved lives). Quote
Infidel Dog Posted October 7, 2022 Report Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) I'm not sure I understand the argument that Biden driving up inflation by printing massive amounts of money and driving up the cost of Gas and therefore the cost of living doesn't matter because there are arguable comparisons to what Trump did when he was dealing with the pandemic. Speaking of equivalencies I mean. I'm not sure I even understand the pathetic attempt at trying to make them there. Biden screwed up. If you want to say it was cause, TRUMP well...Trump's gone now so why does America still need Bidenflation? And Biden boys and girls who like to puff their chests out about unemployment finally returning to pre-pandemic levels forget about this: 62.1%: Labor Force Participation Falls in July, As 239,000 More Americans Drop Out of Labor Force Edited October 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote
Rebound Posted October 7, 2022 Report Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: Produce it. I'm calling bullshit until you do. I don't believe the Heritage Foundation ever said that. I think you might be talking about this below. If that's correct tell me and I'll show you why it doesn't really say what you want it to. https://www.heritage.org/markets-and-finance/commentary/now-91-bidens-inflation-keeps-getting-worse “If we’re going to blame the entities that caused inflation, they are, in order, the Federal Reserve, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden. ” https://www.hoover.org/research/what-caused-gas-prices-jump Apology, please. Edited October 7, 2022 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
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