Darwin Strikes Again....

[Nationalist]

58 minutes ago, Boges said:

Are they? Cite? 

The infrastructure is your Garage. If you drive more than 200 miles a day, maybe EVs aren't for you yet. But it's feasable for a vast majority of car owners. 

If the Grid is to be taxed, It'll be because of Air Conditioning due to rising temperatures. 

I already explained that I heard about the Tesla towing from a tow truck driver. Try to keep up.

Air Conditioning? LOL..."AHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!"

pfft...

[Nationalist]

57 minutes ago, Boges said:

 

Why should the infrastructure have to mimic Gas Stations. Most EV owners will charge at home. Occasionally use a free public charger because it's there. 

Stage 3 chargers exist for road trips, and they work pretty well. The infrastructure should be focused on Rest stops where people can easily charge for long distance trips. 

Then we'd need to incentivize condos and other aggregate settings where people don't have private parking to include Stage 2 chargers. 

 

How about a car that can easily beat that dinosaur in a race. 

How about you take your fear-porn somewhere else?

[Boges]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I already explained that I heard about the Tesla towing from a tow truck driver. Try to keep up.

Then it's a useless anecdote. The only difference from someone with an ICE vehicle running out of gas is that you can't walk to the Gas station with a Jerry Can. And you shouldn't have to get towed with an EV either if you plan your trip well. 

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Air Conditioning? LOL..."AHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!"

pfft...

 

Well that's what caused the hydro surge in the OP, not EVs. As mentioned to you, most EV owners charge at night an use up surplus base load that would have been generated anyway. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Then it's a useless anecdote. The only difference from someone with an ICE vehicle running out of gas is that you can't walk to the Gas station with a Jerry Can. And you shouldn't have to get towed with an EV either if you plan your trip well. 

Well that's what caused the hydro surge in the OP, not EVs. As mentioned to you, most EV owners charge at night an use up surplus base load that would have been generated anyway. 

'Oh I don't like your evidence.' again...pfft.

Don't use your A/C. That about says it all.

[herbie]

I live on the side of a volcano and the volcano is erupting. Why should I move the lava hasn't hit me yet? Why should I have to pay to move? Humans didn't make it erupt, volcanoes erupt naturally so I shouldn't have to do anything...

- Plug the damn thing in at home it doesn't matter it takes longer to charge, you're snoring away anyway FFS..

- most fast chargers already charge you money. Like I said the Tesla I saw told you on the screem you'd paid $24 for fast charging for what would've cost $86 in gasoline. What next, complain that the fast chargers won't let you feed pennies into it?

- Vancouver is already going to charge gas stations a huge fee, ie $10,000 extra license fees if they don't have a fast charger.

- many parking lots already provide plugs for block heaters, who cares if you only get some free charge while you shop? Do they pour in a gallon of gas while you shop as it is?

- you wouldn't believe a tow truck driver if he told you the time, so WTF you doing quoting one?

Edited September 20, 2022 by herbie

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

'Oh I don't like your evidence.' again...pfft.

It's not evidence. You're making the claim that many EV drivers are needing a tow. What's you're evidence beyond "I'm hearing things" Mr. Trump. 

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Don't use your A/C. That about says it all.

It's funny, people using the Grid for transportation purposes. OMG!!! How will we cope. 

People using the grid to have a comfortable home temperature. . . Human Right.

These electricity emergencies in the US are caused by ACs, not EVs. 

From experience, I use about as much hydro on the AC in the summer as I do charging my EV. But I can charge the EV at night when it's much cheaper. 

Edited September 20, 2022 by Boges

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

It's not evidence. You're making the claim that many EV drivers are needing a tow. What's you're evidence beyond "I'm hearing things" Mr. Trump. 

It's funny, people using the Grid for transportation purposes. OMG!!! How will we cope. 

People using the grid to have a comfortable home temperature. . . Human Right.

These electricity emergencies in the US are caused by ACs, not EVs. 

From experience, I use about as much hydro on the AC in the summer as I do charging my EV. But I can charge the EV at night when it's much cheaper. 

He's an f'ing tow truck driver...numb-nutz.

You just don't get it. Your intention to try to be frugal with energy is financially destructive and geopolitically insane. That is...unless your goal is to screw the American people?

[Boges]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You just don't get it. Your intention to try to be frugal with energy is financially destructive and geopolitically insane. That is...unless your goal is to screw the American people?

Why would I screw American people? 

Is using lots of Gasoline a patriotic duty now? 

[Nationalist]

Just now, Boges said:

Why would I screw American people? 

Is using lots of Gasoline a patriotic duty now? 

No. But crapping on our best source of energy, BEFORE we can replace it with something reliable is...dumb dumb dumb.

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. But crapping on our best source of energy, BEFORE we can replace it with something reliable is...dumb dumb dumb.

Who's scrapping anything? I still own a Hybrid-Electric car. We're in a transition period. 

But those that have transitioned are overwhelmingly happy with their decision. 

Demand for EVs, right now, far exceed supply so this world where grids will collapse because of so much off-peak demand is far off. 

[Boges]

Regarding ACs. 

A Central Air Unit does about 3.6kwh. 

https://www.knightplumbing.ca/blog/how-much-does-air-conditioning-cost-per-month/#:~:text=A window air conditioner with,translates to approximately 1.8 kWh.&text=At the end of a,conditioner will cost about %2435.60.

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We based this math on an air conditioner with a seasonal energy efficiency ratio (SEER) rating of 13 and a cooling capacity of 3.6 kilowatt hours (kWh) at 24,000 British thermal units (BTU) per hour. This will cool a home of up to 1,5000 square feet.

 

Stage 2 EVs usually max out at 7 Kwh. So double an AC. . . BUT you're charging that for max 6 hours at night once every 2 or 3 days based on usage. 

With an AC you're using during peak periods for much longer throughout the day. 

So I don't see EVs as some extraordinary threat to collapse the grid. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

39 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. But crapping on our best source of energy, BEFORE we can replace it with something reliable is...dumb dumb dumb.

 

I notice Space X doesn't use electric rockets.

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, Boges said:

Who's scrapping anything? I still own a Hybrid-Electric car. We're in a transition period. 

But those that have transitioned are overwhelmingly happy with their decision. 

Demand for EVs, right now, far exceed supply so this world where grids will collapse because of so much off-peak demand is far off. 

You are missing the point. We DO NOT have a reliable or ample replacement.

Thus, it is the height of stupidity to be scaling back on fossil fuels NOW. As evidenced by the power issues we've seen over the last few years.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

You are missing the point. We DO NOT have a reliable or ample replacement.

Thus, it is the height of stupidity to be scaling back on fossil fuels NOW. As evidenced by the power issues we've seen over the last few years.

 

Buy an electric car then...they say. Let them eat cake.

What? Can't afford one?? Well there's the bus. No bus?? Well...you can walk.

Ah...that's what they want.

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You are missing the point. We DO NOT have a reliable or ample replacement.

Thus, it is the height of stupidity to be scaling back on fossil fuels NOW. As evidenced by the power issues we've seen over the last few years.

We've seen power issues in places that don't invest in their grid.

And I know you have reading comprehension problems, but where we've seen energy troubles are places experiences extraordinary heat and draught due to climate change. As well as increased AC usage to compensate. Using less fossil fuels will assist the situation.  

We shouldn't cling to this inefficient ICE engine, it's a dinosaur. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

We've seen power issues in places that don't invest in their grid.

And I know you have reading comprehension problems, but where we've seen energy troubles are places experiences extraordinary heat and draught due to climate change. As well as increased AC usage to compensate. Using less fossil fuels will assist the situation.  

We shouldn't cling to this inefficient ICE engine, it's a dinosaur. 

That dinosaur happens to work well and all the infrastructure is in place.

EV and the insane rush to Green power is premature and hence...destructive to the economy.

[Boges]

Just now, Nationalist said:

That dinosaur happens to work well and all the infrastructure is in place.

All the infrastructure is in place to deliver electricity to homes as well. It's a transition period. I'll say again, even if everyone could afford an EV, the supply is not there yet. This will be a slow transition. 

But you're seeing more and more every day. 

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EV and the insane rush to Green power is premature and hence...destructive to the economy.

How is it an insane rush? We're talking about goals over a decade away. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

All the infrastructure is in place to deliver electricity to homes as well. It's a transition period. I'll say again, even if everyone could afford an EV, the supply is not there yet. This will be a slow transition. 

But you're seeing more and more every day. 

How is it an insane rush? We're talking about goals over a decade away. 

And yet the Libbies are actively and very prematurely trying to destroy the fossil fuel industry.

Leave what works alone, while you fuss with your decade-long "transition". THEN...we'll talk.

[Boges]

Just now, Nationalist said:

And yet the Libbies are actively and very prematurely trying to destroy the fossil fuel industry.

Leave what works alone, while you fuss with your decade-long "transition". THEN...we'll talk.

Not Natural Gas. 

I like how all the Anti EV people fret about Lithium and Cobalt mining but mining the Tar Sands are God's work.

We should move away from Fossil Fuel for transportation. Using it for Home Heating and Electricity will take a bit longer. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Not Natural Gas. 

I like how all the Anti EV people fret about Lithium and Cobalt mining but mining the Tar Sands are God's work.

We should move away from Fossil Fuel for transportation. Using it for Home Heating and Electricity will take a bit longer. 

The batteries are another issue...but will be overcome with time...I'm quite sure.

In the meantime...we are aggravating an already crappy economic situation with all this dumping on fossil fuels.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

The batteries are another issue...but will be overcome with time...I'm quite sure.

In the meantime...we are aggravating an already crappy economic situation with all this dumping on fossil fuels.

The crappy situation is being aggravated by the A-Hole in Moscow. 

Carbon Taxes lightly encourage energy consumption, but the prices we're seeing now is due to instability caused by Russia. 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

The crappy situation is being aggravated by the A-Hole in Moscow. 

Carbon Taxes lightly encourage energy consumption, but the prices we're seeing now is due to instability caused by Russia. 

Ahhh...when all else fails..."RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA". Got it.

FYI...It was the Greenies who choked their unreliable horseshit down the throats of most European nations including Germany. It was the Globalists who made deals with Russia for fuel. It was NATO who decided to get involved in a clash they had no business getting involved in.

Thus...that "A-Hole" is responding in kind. Its not the Russians who are desperately trying to cut fossil fuels from European usage. Its the blithering idiots in Western Europe.

As for your carbon tax...its "lightly" screwing the public over in ways you don't even realize. Like...for instance...further exploration.

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ahhh...when all else fails..."RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA". Got it.

FYI...It was the Greenies who choked their unreliable horseshit down the throats of most European nations including Germany. It was the Globalists who made deals with Russia for fuel. It was NATO who decided to get involved in a clash they had no business getting involved in.

Thus...that "A-Hole" is responding in kind. Its not the Russians who are desperately trying to cut fossil fuels from European usage. Its the blithering idiots in Western Europe.

As for your carbon tax...its "lightly" screwing the public over in ways you don't even realize. Like...for instance...further exploration.

So you're Pro Putin. I'll keep that in mind when considering your opinions reasoned. 

The prices we're seeing right now are 100% a result of instability caused by Putin. Now he's threatening Nukes because he's losing. 

OPEC is also cutting production because Profit is better than actually trying to meet demand. 

I won't disagree that Western Europe has been foolish to rely on Putin for their Energy needs. But that is the bed they have to make for themselves. They'll be on the front-lines should Ukraine Fall. 

[DogOnPorch]

It's not like setting-up germ labs in Ukraine run by Nazis is provocative or anything.

[Nationalist]

Just now, Boges said:

So you're Pro Putin. I'll keep that in mind when considering your opinions reasoned. 

The prices we're seeing right now are 100% a result of instability caused by Putin. Now he's threatening Nukes because he's losing. 

OPEC is also cutting production because Profit is better than actually trying to meet demand. 

I won't disagree that Western Europe has been foolish to rely on Putin for their Energy needs. But that is the bed they have to make for themselves. They'll be on the front-lines should Ukraine Fall. 

I never said I'm "Pro Putin". I said I understand the actions and reactions. But nice try...

LOL...yes yes...its his fault...its her fault...its the Russians...the Arabs...ANYONE but us!

Understand something Boges..."Ya Gits wut ya pays fer" in this world. Our moronic leaders have painted the public in a corner and now want to point at anyone else and go...'See? Its their fault'.

Man-up for Gawd's sake!