herbie Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 9:18 AM, eyeball said: Communists along with their Nazi kissing cousins What? The Molotov/Von Ribbentrop Treaty is no longer in effect? It's not 1940 anymore? What? What? [/sarcasm] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: At the cost of 1.4 million Vietnamese lives. Aristides, and at the cost of some 55,000 American lives. Is the life of one Vietnamese the same as an American? ====== In 1979, Deng Xiao-Peng concluded that China must change course. In 1984, I travelled in China. Why? Because of Vietnam. America won the larger war. BTW, I have been to Vietnam recently. People are free to trade and travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 Fake history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, eyeball said: Fake history? No, not fake history. ==== You guys won. The Berlin Wall has fallen. Vietnam and China use the market system. What's next? ==== Since 1990 or so, I fear that many American politicians are suffering an existential crisis Who is the next competition? Edited September 4, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, August1991 said: Aristides, and at the cost of some 55,000 American lives. Is the life of one Vietnamese the same as an American? ====== In 1979, Deng Xiao-Peng concluded that China must change course. In 1984, I travelled in China. Why? Because of Vietnam. America won the larger war. BTW, I have been to Vietnam recently. People are free to trade and travel. Actually that works out to 25.5 Vietnamese lives for every American life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: Actually that works out to 25.5 Vietnamese lives for every American life. This sounds terrible to say but I reckon that's a good number. ==== A few years ago, I was in Hue, Vietnam. An older man - about my age - approached me saying that he could explain everything. To my regret, I said no. ==== Aristides, Make no mistake: Ordinary people in Vietnam (South or North) now are far better off than people in North Korea. America won the war for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, August1991 said: This sounds terrible to say but I reckon that's a good number. ==== A few years ago, I was in Hue, Vietnam. An older man - about my age - approached me saying that he could explain everything. To my regret, I said no. ==== Aristides, Make no mistake: Ordinary people in Vietnam (South or North) now are far better off than people in North Korea. America won the war for us all. Good if you weren't Vietnamese. If the ordinary people of Vietnam are better off 50 years after the North won, kind of makes the war pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: ... If the ordinary people of Vietnam are better off 50 years after the North won, kind of makes the war pointless. On the contrary Everyone in Vietnam knows that America won. ----- BTW, this is an issue in Russia and China too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, August1991 said: Since 1990 or so, I fear that many American politicians are suffering an existential crisis Who is the next competition? Their own shadows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Their own shadows. I was listening to a recent podcast, an interview with Richard Nixon. Like Clinton, Obama and Putin, you Americans want to be Alpha dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, August1991 said: On the contrary Everyone in Vietnam knows that America won. ----- BTW, this is an issue in Russia and China too. Even if they did, 1.4 million Vietnamese paid for it with their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, August1991 said: I was listening to a recent podcast, an interview with Richard Nixon. Like Clinton, Obama and Putin, you Americans want to be Alpha dog. You don't know that I'm Canadian? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 Nixon was all about winning - the need to have a competitor. To make you tough, to compete. At the time, 1992, America was facing Japanese competition. ----- I have a different view of life and politics. Nixon to China? I have a different view of his trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: Even if they did, 1.4 million Vietnamese paid for it with their lives. How many Vietnamese live better now than the people in North Korea? ==== Make no mistake: 50,000 Americans made this possible. Deng Xiao-Peng too. And Thatcher and Reagan. Edited September 4, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted September 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Even if they did, 1.4 million Vietnamese paid for it with their lives. This is a question for many families (mothers) around the world. Vietnam? Britain? Dunkerque? America fought abroad to defend freedom - then, Americans went home. Edited September 4, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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