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Brzezinski made an insightful analysis in his famous book The Grand Chessboard. He pointed out that "Potentially, the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition of China, Russia, and perhaps Iran, an 'antihegemonic' coalition united not by ideology but by complementary grievances." His warnings seem on point… 

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13 hours ago, Luz P. said:

Brzezinski made an insightful analysis in his famous book The Grand Chessboard. He pointed out that "Potentially, the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition of China, Russia, and perhaps Iran, an 'antihegemonic' coalition united not by ideology but by complementary grievances." His warnings seem on point… 

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potentially sure

but that isn't close to happening

as the potential important members of the anti-hegemonic coalition hate each other more than they hate the West

and even if they got along enough to hate the west more

that coalition would very likely lose to the hegemonic coalition and they know it

the main powers of Eurasia are too divided

America has done a good job of preventing them from coming together in any meaningful way

as each of the powers is closer with America than they are with each other

and they would rather keep that relationship with America than jeopardize it by teaming up against them

Brzezinski's strategy is working like a charm

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12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

but that isn't close to happening

as the potential important members of the anti-hegemonic coalition hate each other more than they hate the West

It's already happening, you're simply unaware.

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7 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

It's already happening, you're simply unaware.

it's not happening at all

you only look at half the equation

you look at the little cooperation going on between them and their grievances with America

but you don't look at the larger cooperation going between them and America and their grievances with each other

if you looked at the bigger picture, you'd realize the anti-hegemonic alliance is simply a hypothetical that could happen

if the situation drastically changes, it isn't the current situation

America is well aware of that potential future issue and is actively undermining it to ensure it is avoided

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We’ve seen with the invasion of Ukraine how difficult it is to build a coalition against Russia or China. Most of Asia and Africa are either neutral or on Russia’s side. India has been highly reluctant to side with us. Read Indian newspapers and see the hostility to Britain and the US. 

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10 hours ago, Luz P. said:

@Yzermandius19  Kudos for opining with certainty without the knowledge!

I’ll always applaud young people that want to join a discussion and at 19, I appreciate your efforts... 

I have plenty of knowledge

you don't

you are prone to overestimating America's competition

just like the people who thought the Soviet Union was going to eat their lunch

then thought Japan was going surpass them

who now believe China is going to

there is quite a long history of it

and you fall for it because it's a popular hot take

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7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

We’ve seen with the invasion of Ukraine how difficult it is to build a coalition against Russia or China. Most of Asia and Africa are either neutral or on Russia’s side. India has been highly reluctant to side with us. Read Indian newspapers and see the hostility to Britain and the US. 

it is far more difficult to build a coalition against America

Chins and Russia don't have any friends

America has plenty

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11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

We’ve seen with the invasion of Ukraine how difficult it is to build a coalition against Russia or China. Most of Asia and Africa are either neutral or on Russia’s side. India has been highly reluctant to side with us. Read Indian newspapers and see the hostility to Britain and the US. 

The hostility to Britain and the US is easy enough to understand given the brutal indifference both showed to human life in many nations around the planet over the last couple hundred years, and especially countries ruled by tyrants with even less regard for humanity.  The governments of the anti-hegemonic nations guarantee they too will falter, stumble and fall, for the same reason, their brutality and indifference to human life.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

The hostility to Britain and the US is easy enough to understand given the brutal indifference both showed to human life in many nations around the planet over the last couple hundred years, and especially countries ruled by tyrants with even less regard for humanity.  The governments of the anti-hegemonic nations guarantee they too will falter, stumble and fall, for the same reason, their brutality and indifference to human life.

there are no angels in geopolitics

perfect is the enemy of the good

don't have to be Usain Bolt when racing against toddlers

America knows

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A hard winter awaits Europeans. lack of heating, lack of food and all kinds of infectious diseases.  Europeans should move to Russia.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

ad hominem city

right out the gate

meaning you have no argument against my point

Do you know what your point is?

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garbage post from a bad faith poster

Hey, I'm just throwing it back in your face where it belongs.

 

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22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you know what your point is?

Hey, I'm just throwing it back in your face where it belongs.

my point is it makes little sense to trash the best for not being perfect

when the alternatives are far worse

pointing out their lack of perfection is not an insightful comment

everyone already knows they have their faults

try actually adding something useful to the conversation

if you even can

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56 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

my point is it makes little sense to trash the best for not being perfect

when the alternatives are far worse

The best trashed themselves when they behaved the they way they did. They also knew full well what they were doing and how they all too often did it was not only wrong but against every stated principle they ever uttered about liberty, human rights and the rule of law.

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pointing out their lack of perfection is not an insightful comment

everyone already knows they have their faults

Compared to downplaying mass murder and complicity in some of the worst human rights abuses with some of the worst human rights abusers on the planet as mere imperfections and faults?  You've got to be fucking kidding me. 

I repeat, they knew what they were doing was wrong even before anyone else had a chance to judge for themselves.

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try actually adding something useful to the conversation

if you even can

I note your alternatives all still seem to be going strong, doing well and even feeling a little smug about it.

I guess they know there's really no one better than themselves worth worrying about.

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57 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The best trashed themselves when they behaved the they way they did. They also knew full well what they were doing and how they all too often did it was not only wrong but against every stated principle they ever uttered about liberty, human rights and the rule of law.

Compared to downplaying mass murder and complicity in some of the worst human rights abuses with some of the worst human rights abusers on the planet as mere imperfections and faults?  You've got to be fucking kidding me. 

I repeat, they knew what they were doing was wrong even before anyone else had a chance to judge for themselves.

I note your alternatives all still seem to be going strong, doing well and even feeling a little smug about it.

I guess they know there's really no one better than themselves worth worrying about.

who is doing better than America?

you act like the alternatives haven't done far worse

when they clearly have

and are vastly inferior by every important measure

like liberty, human rights and rule of law

if you'd rather have Russia, China or Iran running shit

you are pretty much insane

much better that America is top dog than anyone else

they are the most benevolent top dog in history

there being plenty of room for improvement is beside the point

America is still light years ahead of the competition

yet you whine far more about them than you do about anyone else

America Derangement Syndrome is a helluva drug

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13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

who is doing better than America?

That depends on what you mean by better. In any case I'm kind of interested in knowing more about the faults you mentioned.  What faults?

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17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That depends on what you mean by better.

pick whatever criteria you want

then compare America to it's biggest geopolitical rivals at that criteria 

and it will become rather clear why focusing your criticism on America

on those grounds is utterly moronic

stop comparing America to a unicorn that has never existed

and try comparing it to it's actual competition for a change

and if you insist on comparisons to a unicorn

then compare the competition to a unicorn too, and they look a lot worse than America does

stop the tunnel visioning on America's problems and try examining context for a change

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5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Remaining faithful to their most cherished oft-stated principles with regards to human rights and liberty.

okay

how do China, Russia or Iran measure up to America in those regards?

looks like America is whooping their ass at that

they fail to live up to those standards more than America does by a massive margin

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21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They don't know better than to behave they way they do where America does.

so?

America is still way better

yet you criticize them more than you do the biggest violators of liberty, human rights and rule of law

being hypocritical is nowhere as bad as that

yet by your reaction you seem to think it's far worse

 

every nation fails to live up to that standard, but America is the closest to that standard

America's biggest geopolitical rivals are nowhere near that standard

you take that for granted and shit all over America

because you want to tunnel vision on American hypocrisy instead of the standard you claimed was most important

 

grow up

the world ain't all sunshine and rainbows

take what you can get

perfect is the enemy of the good

 

if some better nation comes along

then criticizing America more than them would make sense

but criticizing America more than nations that are clearly worse than it

that makes no sense, knock it off

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54 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

so?

America is still way better

It matters that it knows better than to have behaved as badly in the world as it has - it's a distinction that underscores how no one is better at trashing America and its values than America itself.

   

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