First a trickle....Now a flood

[User]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I think that if you're being honest, you have no choice but admit that CTV, CBC, Global, CNN, NBC et al were lying, and Fauci is a little rat who should be in jail.

You don't even have a shred of evidence that it was necessary to force healthy young people to take the jab. You can't say that they needed it to protect themselves, you can't say that they needed to take it to stop the spread of covid. There wasn't a single reason, was there...

Lying, about what? This discussion was not about any particular lies any particular network was pushing. You are just throwing mud at the wall because you can't back up your claim here. 

I never advocated forcing anyone to "take the jab"

Seriously, who are you arguing against? It is not me. 

[User]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Make up your mind.  Is a baseless assertion or a possible motive?  If it's a possible motive, then it's not a baseless assertion, is it?

Hospitals got money for treating COVID <- Possible motive

Hospitals lied about people having COVID to make money and/or whatever "Big Pharma" wants to push the jab nonsense conspiracy blah...blah...blah... <- Baseless assertion

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

It's like a man who takes a $1million life insurance policy out on his wife and then murders her.

Well... if you have evidence, he murdered her. The fact that he has a life insurance policy is not evidence of murder. 

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Are you like eyeball who believes that it is immoral if we infer the motivation is the insurance money, and that the murderer has to confess he did it for money or it's wrong and immoral to infer why?

I don't know what eyeball believes here, what I do know is that you lied about me in several threads, I pointed that out, and you are cowardly ignoring that now. 

In regards to this issue, neither you nor WestCanMan have offered any evidence that the entire medical establishment was all in on a great big lie to say people had COVID when they did not to get the money. 

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Is that what you believe too?

Nope. A confession is not the only evidence either. If there were some grand conspiracy like this, and you know it happened as you assert, you would have some paperwork evidence, video, something to back it up. 

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Because you seem irrationally enraged that anyone would infer any part of the covid response was for money, even after knowing it was the biggest wealth transfer in human history.

Are you admitting you have no evidence for your big conspiracy theory, then, that you are just inferring it?

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, User said:

Lying, about what? This discussion was not about any particular lies any particular network was pushing. You are just throwing mud at the wall because you can't back up your claim here. 

Buddy, grow up.

If you've heard of statistics, and standards of deviation, you know that flu deaths didn't go from 20,000+/year, for a century, like clockwork, down to 785. 

All those people still died, their deaths were just shuffled into another category. Period.

You didn't know it before, but you know it now.

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I never advocated forcing anyone to "take the jab"

Seriously, who are you arguing against? It is not me. 

This genesis of this whole debate is about people being forced to take the jab. 

I don't really give a rat's ass about where they accounted for 20,000 flu deaths in the US. Or where they tabulated flu deaths in India or Botswana. I'm not even that upset that they created a BS vax for Fauci's virus. 

I care that our media lied about it like nuns who just came from an orgy, and you should too.

But what I care most about, is that Canadians who didn't need protection from wimpy covid were forced to take the jab. Healthy, child-bearing-aged women were forced to take the jab.

I'd like to see people get the death penalty for contributing to this insane crime against our youth. 

[User]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If you've heard of statistics, and standards of deviation, you know that flu deaths didn't go from 20,000+/year, for a century, like clockwork, down to 785. 

How do I know that?

You were the one who sourced the CDC to make one of your points... and now you ignore that same source that explains what happened here. 

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

All those people still died, their deaths were just shuffled into another category. Period.

You have no evidence of this grand conspiracy. 

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You didn't know it before, but you know it now.

All I know is that you push wild conspiracies. 

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This genesis of this whole debate is about people being forced to take the jab. 

And? You think that gives you liberty to lie about me?

I mean, if you can't even be honest enough about what it is I have said here, why should anyone believe you on the conspiratorial garbage you are claiming?

That is the same underlying argument you are making in calling out folks for lying, yet, you have no problem lying here. 

 

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, User said:

How do I know that?

You were the one who sourced the CDC to make one of your points... and now you ignore that same source that explains what happened here. 

You have no evidence of this grand conspiracy. 

All I know is that you push wild conspiracies. 

And? You think that gives you liberty to lie about me?

I mean, if you can't even be honest enough about what it is I have said here, why should anyone believe you on the conspiratorial garbage you are claiming?

That is the same underlying argument you are making in calling out folks for lying, yet, you have no problem lying here. 

If there was just one or two things, I'll admit that would be weak.

1. Fauci funded research on that specific bat coronavirus to make it transmissible among humans in the Wuhan lab, then when covid broke out he pointed at the nearby wetmarket as the only realistic source of the virus. We found out about the funding much later, but the MSM has never questioned him on that. How could that not matter? It's like the biggest lie ever told. 
2. People who talked about the Wuhan BSL4 Lab were banned from social media giants' (TNI members) platforms for mentioning the BSL4 lab
3. Fauci told the world that "the virus probably isn't transmissible among humans" (when did "err on the side of caution pandemic" become a thing?) while Trump was busy banning non-Americans from flying into the US from China, and the entire DNC and all the TNI members called it racist, then they accused Trump of not being proactive enough. (Wait a sec, maybe "the virus probably isn't transmissible among humans" was the biggest lie ever told. 
4. For long after Trump had already started treating covid like a deadly pandemic, leftists like DeBlasio and Pelosi were still busy encouraging Americans to do te wrong things: "ride the subway like normal", and "hang out in large crowds and hug strangers". Pelosi's San Fran Hugathon wasn't even in February, it was in March.
5. The DNC and TNI utterly  vilified every other possible treatment for covid, including HCQ, vitamins, and ivermectin, and then treated the vax like hoy water despite failure after failure. 
6. In Canada 15,000 covid deaths was the apocalypse in 2020. 14,000 covid deaths was Apocalypse V2.0 in 2021. Then 19,000 covid deaths in 2022 was "we don't see nothin'". 
7. We still don't talk about vax-induced injuries in Canada. Those people simply don't matter at all to our MSM. How is it that everyone in media agrees that we need to ignore all of our vax-injured? 
8. The vax was walked back all the way from "safe and effective, you don't have to worry about getting covid or spreading it to granny" to "86% of our covid deaths are among the multi-vaxed but that's ok" and people still call it a success. 
9. Our own gov't pretended that young, healthy people needed the jab, even though we had no way of knowing it was safe

Don't call it a conspiracy then. Call the vax a success you God-damned dimwit. I really don't give a shit. 

But just for shits and giggles, what do you think was the greatest lie ever told:

1. "the nearby wetmarket is the only realistic source of the viral outbreak"
2. "the virus probably isn't transmissible among humans"
3. "young, healthy people still need the jab"
4. "The jab is safe and effective" (after they knew it was neither)

 

[User]

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't call it a conspiracy then. Call the vax a success you God-damned dimwit. I really don't give a shit. 

I will call "it" a conspiracy, that it being your nonsense on how the whole world all lied about the flu. 

The vax was a success in many ways. 

Your entire schtick is to throw a bunch of shit at the wall and then declare something else to be smelly because you stunk the place up. 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

But just for shits and giggles, what do you think was the greatest lie ever told:

I can't even get you to acknowledge your own lies about me here. 

[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, User said:

The vax was a success in many ways. 

The vax wasn't even remotely successful. 

1. There were 15,000 deaths in 2020 when no one was vaxed and it was still a novel virus, 
2. There were 19,000 deaths in 2022 when 85% of Canadians were vaxed and it was no longer a novel virus, 
3. 86% of Canadians who died of covid in 2022 were multi-vaxed
4. the jabs killed people who never needed or wanted it

How is that a "success" to you? The whole point of a vaccine was to lower hospitalizations and deaths, not increase hospitalizations three-fold and increase deaths by 30%. 

If someone told you it would do all that, would you have vaxed your children? Would you advise young adults to take it? Would you take it yourself? Would you advocate for a vaccine passport or for forcing people to take it?

The jab was not a success at all, and our government embarrassed itself by invoking martial law against peaceful protesters over those vials of p!ss.

If it was Trump that started a gesundheitspass and vax-mandates, and called the unvaxxed "racists and misogynists" for not taking it, invoked martial law to break up an actually peaceful protest, and forced young people to take it, the MSM would be calling for his execution. And they wouldn't have ignored the massive spike in deaths in 2022, or the fact that so many covid deaths were among the jabbed. 

Give it a rest, User. You've gone full partisan f-tard now.

[User]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There were 15,000 deaths in 2020 when no one was vaxed and it was still a novel virus, 

What an interesting dilemma you have. According to you:

"Of course people also died from covid, and I never said "No one died from covid". I said that the "died from" stat was BS, because almost everyone who died "of covid" mostly died of other things, and they just died with covid."

Remember your whole schtick about it was all a big lie where folks in the Hospitals were saying people who died of the flu actually died of COVID-19?

So... where are you getting this number from and how much of it do you think are actual COVID-19 deaths?

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There were 19,000 deaths in 2022 when 85% of Canadians were vaxed and it was no longer a novel virus, 

Same question as above... what deaths are you talking about here?

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

86% of Canadians who died of covid in 2022 were multi-vaxed

What are these "died of covid" deaths you speak of here? That is just a mostly BS stat according to you. 

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

the jabs killed people who never needed or wanted it

How many? What do you base this claim on?

 

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Give it a rest, User. You've gone full partisan f-tard now.

Nope, the only full tard here is you. Also, a coward who won't own up to your lies about me. 

[Goddess]

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[Goddess]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:06 AM, eyeball said:

Why, what did I do to deserve that, compared to you saying I'm happy knowing people are being deliberately injured and murdered on my behalf that is?

 

The average age of death from covid is 83. 

None of the above people were in any danger from covid.  The jabs are all risk, no benefit for anyone not elderly, obese or already terminally ill.

Yet you support force vaccinating everyone, including babies, because you think other people should die or be maimed for life or lose their careers and jobs if they refuse.... for you, in spite of what....8 jabs? 9? 10?

So.....

[Goddess]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

How is that a "success" to you? The whole point of a vaccine was to lower hospitalizations and deaths, not increase hospitalizations three-fold and increase deaths by 30%. 

His entire argument is that when a vax is outstandingly successful, you will see deaths, hospitalizations and cases INCREASE. 

MSM has done its job on these 2.

A total rejection of epidemiology, virology and vaccinology.

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, User said:

What an interesting dilemma you have. According to you:

"Of course people also died from covid, and I never said "No one died from covid". I said that the "died from" stat was BS, because almost everyone who died "of covid" mostly died of other things, and they just died with covid."

Remember your whole schtick about it was all a big lie where folks in the Hospitals were saying people who died of the flu actually died of COVID-19?

So... where are you getting this number from and how much of it do you think are actual COVID-19 deaths?

According to me, and Health Canada, what they call "covid deaths" went up by 30% in 2022. 100%.

You're the one who has to feel deathly afraid of the term "covid death", not me. 

By YOUR standards, and YOUR Health Canada stats, 2022 was statistically "the worst year of the pandemic".

Only thing is, the media turned off the "PANIC" sign and turned on the "SUCCESS" sign, so you said "it's a success".

User: "Phew! Deaths are down to 19,000/yr now, from the pandemic-level of 14,000."

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

His entire argument is that when a vax is outstandingly successful, you will see deaths, hospitalizations and cases INCREASE. 

MSM has done its job on these 2.

A total rejection of epidemiology, virology and vaccinology.

Nothing epitomizes the term "Useful id10t" better than a guy who can regurgitate propaganda like "Deaths only went up by 30% after the successful vaccination campaign!" while he's fist-pumping, and then trying to talk down to people for citing basic math to him. 

"30% more deaths is actually bad, User."

User: "HAHAHA dummy. Mor is alweez gooder!"

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

The average age of death from covid is 83. 

It would've been even older if 17500 kids hadn't died as well.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It would've been even older if 17500 kids hadn't died as well.

WTF are you talking about, stupid? 

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Nothing epitomizes the term "Useful id10t" better than a guy who can regurgitate propaganda like "Deaths only went up by 30% after the successful vaccination campaign!" while he's fist-pumping, and then trying to talk down to people for citing basic math to him. 

"30% more deaths is actually bad, User."

User: "HAHAHA dummy. Mor is alweez gooder!"

Useful id10t has become a personality identity. 🤣

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

WTF are you talking about, stupid? 

He's saying if those kids hadn't died, the average age would have been older.

He's also assuming they were perfectly healthy children. You know, like the Alberta boy who died of covid. He was perfectly healthy except for the terminal brain cancer, so he is one of those 17,000 who died "of covid".

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Useful id10t has become a personality identity. 🤣

They call it their badge of honour. 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

He's saying if those kids hadn't died, the average age would have been older.

He's also assuming they were perfectly healthy children. You know, like the Alberta boy who died of covid. He was perfectly healthy except for the terminal brain cancer, so he is one of those 17,000 who died "of covid".

Globally, in 3 years of a "pandemic", 17,000 kids died?

That's way less than the flu. 

In 2018 alone, under the age of 5, there were 35,000 flu deaths: (Ggl: "Global child flu deaths in 2018")

In 3 years of the flu 105,000 kids under 5 would die of the flu globally. 

Eyeball shouldn't talk.

[User]

On 10/7/2024 at 11:53 AM, WestCanMan said:

According to me, and Health Canada, what they call "covid deaths" went up by 30% in 2022. 100%.

Who knows what you believe. You routinely contradict yourself. 

On 10/7/2024 at 11:53 AM, WestCanMan said:

You're the one who has to feel deathly afraid of the term "covid death", not me. 

Why do I need to feel deathly afraid?

On 10/7/2024 at 11:53 AM, WestCanMan said:

Only thing is, the media turned off the "PANIC" sign and turned on the "SUCCESS" sign, so you said "it's a success".

What exactly did I say was a success? Once again, you play this dishonest game and claim I said something I didn't. 

On 10/7/2024 at 11:53 AM, WestCanMan said:

User: "Phew! Deaths are down to 19,000/yr now, from the pandemic-level of 14,000."

More dishonesty from you. 

 

[User]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Globally, in 3 years of a "pandemic", 17,000 kids died?

That's way less than the flu. 

So... how many kids do you think died of COVID over those 3 years?

 

[User]

On 10/7/2024 at 12:01 PM, WestCanMan said:

"30% more deaths is actually bad, User."

User: "HAHAHA dummy. Mor is alweez gooder!"

Well... when you can't actually argue against what I say... just make it up! More dishonesty by you. 

Yet again... you sit here crying about the dishonesty from officials around the Pandemic, while you engage in behind a dishonest person yourself. 

So, why should we trust anything you have to say here when you have to keep resorting to these lies?

On 10/7/2024 at 11:41 AM, Goddess said:

His entire argument is that when a vax is outstandingly successful, you will see deaths, hospitalizations and cases INCREASE. 

MSM has done its job on these 2.

A total rejection of epidemiology, virology and vaccinology.

Except... that is not my case at all. 

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, User said:

Who knows what you believe. You routinely contradict yourself. 

Wrong, I just say things that are too complicated for you to understand.

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Why do I need to feel deathly afraid? 

Trudeau said so.

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What exactly did I say was a success? Once again, you play this dishonest game and claim I said something I didn't. 

The jab campaign. Explicitly.

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More dishonesty from you.

Grow up. It's 100% accurate.

Deaths went up by 30%, leftards ignored it.

7 minutes ago, User said:

So... how many kids do you think died of COVID over those 3 years?

 

I qouted eyeball. I don't know.

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Well... when you can't actually argue against what I say... just make it up! More dishonesty by you. 

Yet again... you sit here crying about the dishonesty from officials around the Pandemic, while you engage in behind a dishonest person yourself. 

So, why should we trust anything you have to say here when you have to keep resorting to these lies?

Except... that is not my case at all. 

The shit that comes out of your mouth, after facts bounce of your iron dome of confirmation bias, is ridiculous. 

Deaths went up 30%, the vax failed, period.

2022 = Our. Worst. Covid. Year. Ever. Unless you listen to Trudeau and the MSM. And you. 

[User]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The shit that comes out of your mouth, after facts bounce of your iron dome of confirmation bias, is ridiculous. 

Deaths went up 30%, the vax failed, period.

What deaths went up?

You keep obfuscating around the fact that anyone died of COVID. You claim the Hospitals and everyone lied about those deaths and marked people off as COVID deaths for the money, that all those flu deaths were actually counted as COVID deaths. 

 

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The jab campaign. Explicitly.

Nope, try again. 

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I qouted eyeball. I don't know.

If you don't know, why are you mocking his numbers?