First a trickle....Now a flood

User · September 30, 2024

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And what did you do when that was going on? Did you speak up?

Yes. I have commented on this here as well.

20 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Name one disease/illness that more people died of AFTER a vaccine came out than BEFORE.

I notice you didn't address any of the points I made about "cumulative."

It is a cumulative chart... it doesn't go down. It only goes up. You made a silly comment about it going down... that is all. Its really easy to admit that and move on.

Goddess · September 30, 2024

3 minutes ago, User said:

Yes. I have commented on this here as well.

You made a comment on an obscure internet forum? How helpful. 🙄

4 minutes ago, User said:

It is a cumulative chart... it doesn't go down. It only goes up.

Yes, I know. Still avoiding the points made about it, I see. 🙄

User · September 30, 2024

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

TBH, the flu kills a lot of people every year. A really bad flu kills even more.

The flu does not kill millions of people a year. What is your point?

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

2020 and 2021 there was no flu, and no one died from it.

Yes, there was the flu and thousands still died.

36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Does the flu really just take a year off when something like covid comes along?

The flu did not take a year off. Golly gee... what was everyone doing when COVID came along? Oh yeah, they were wearing masks, social distancing, lock downs, closures... hmmm... oh boy, this is a tough one to think of as to why the flu would have been a lot less impactful during this timeframe.

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If no one told you about covid on the news, what evidence do you personally have that there was a pandemic? Did you see anything with your own eyes? What did you personally see, who do you personally know that was gravely affected by covid?

Yes. I had a good friend I know die from COVID. I went to his funeral. I have friends who had family members die and who were severely hospitalized.

40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We heard about crowded hospitals, but I don't know anyone who went to the hospital for covid. I don't have any friends who know anyone who died from covid. I do know people and have friends who know people who were injured by the vax.

So... what is your point with all this? Are you claiming the whole thing was made up?

User · September 30, 2024

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You made a comment on an obscure internet forum? How helpful. 🙄

Well, it helps show my stated position here before you asked. It is very helpful. You asked me a question, I answered it directly and gave some supporting evidence.

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yes, I know. Still avoiding the points made about it, I see.

I can't even get you to own up to your own silliness in presenting a cumulative chart and complaining about why it didn't go down... ROFL

eyeball · September 30, 2024

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

The gain was only for the very elderly, the very obese and the already terminally ill.

Which required everyone to be vaccinated.

I mean, the government could've said it was only killing old farts but thankfully they didn't but maybe next time.

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I can tell you this - my grandmother died just before covid, she was 97. She would have never agreed to have children die for her. She would have rather risked getting the virus, than be alone and die alone.

Yet kids still died anyway.

So what did grandma think of your notion it was all a deliberate case of premeditated murder?

WestCanMan · September 30, 2024

15 hours ago, User said:

The flu does not kill millions of people a year. What is your point?

On the planet? Yeah it does. The avg is close to a million.

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Yes, there was the flu and thousands still died.

The flu did not take a year off. Golly gee...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm

Don't take it from me, just read that^. Read anything. Google it yourself and just read the first thing that comes up.

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what was everyone doing when COVID came along? Oh yeah, they were wearing masks, social distancing, lock downs, closures... hmmm... oh boy, this is a tough one to think of as to why the flu would have been a lot less impactful during this timeframe.

So are you acknowledging that "the flu took a year off" or not?

At first it seems like you're pretending it was normal, then you give excuses why it was less than normal.

You know who else took a year off? The MSM in 2022. We had 30% more covid deaths in 2022 than 2021, but no one was talking about covid deaths anymore. SO. F'ING. WEIRD.

Covid didn't even stop killing people during the summer of 2022. Actual covid10ts should have been freaking out just a bit, because MOST of those deaths were among the 2-4x jabbed at that point.

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Yes. I had a good friend I know die from COVID. I went to his funeral. I have friends who had family members die and who were severely hospitalized.

How old? 85+?

Don't try telling me about "a young healthy person you know, who died from covid", because we both know that never happened.

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So... what is your point with all this? Are you claiming the whole thing was made up?

Covid was real.

There was a real covid virus and it killed the very elderly as well as people who had serious underlying health conditions.

There was also a real flu that year, just like every other year in the last few centuries, an it killed people just like it always did.

Some people got sick with the flu in 2020, some got sick with covid in 2020, and no doubt some got sick with both at the same time, but everyone who got sick and died with covid or the flu was blamed on covid, and Big Pharma and their lackeys in the gov't and MSM created a fear-porn shitstorm around it.

Try to tell me why the MSM stopped freaking out about covid in 2022 when we had the most deaths ever, without admitting that:

they needed the fear in 2020 and 2021 to get people to take the Big Pharma vax, and
they had to downplay deaths in 2022 (even though they were at record highs) to pretend that the vax had saved us all.

They also had to destroy the possibility of a cheap, off-patent drug like HCQ or Ivermectin saving the day, and preventing their vax from grabbing the spotlight.

That's why the FREAKED OUT when HCQ was mentioned as a possible treatment. Ditto for ivermectin, Vitamin D, Zinc, etc....

User · September 30, 2024

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

On the planet? Yeah it does. The avg is close to a million.

Most everything discussed here is from the perspective of North America. The point is that the flu is not as deadly as COVID was.

And no, the average is closer to half a million if we are talking about the entire world.

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't take it from me, just read that^. Read anything. Google it yourself and just read the first thing that comes up.

I have researched it myself.

The link you shared did not say there was no flu and no flu deaths as you claimed. It supports what I claimed, that flu deaths and cases were lower than normal.

It also goes on to support the reasons for why that I also put forth.

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So are you acknowledging that "the flu took a year off" or not?

No, I clearly stated my position. The flu was significantly less, it did not take a year off nor was there no deaths as you claimed.

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

At first it seems like you're pretending it was normal, then you give excuses why it was less than normal.

Listen dude, enough of the stupid games. I never said it was normal. You were the one who absurdly tried to assert there were no deaths.

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How old? 85+?

Nope. In his 50's.

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't try telling me about "a young healthy person you know, who died from covid", because we both know that never happened.

I didn't. You were the one trying to play the game that there were no COVID deaths as reported or that they didn't really happen because you don't know anyone.

22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Covid was real.

There was a real covid virus and it killed the very elderly as well as people who had serious underlying health conditions.

For the most part, yeah. There are always exceptions.

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Some people got sick with the flu in 2020, some got sick with covid in 2020, and no doubt some got sick with both at the same time, but everyone who got sick and died with covid or the flu was blamed on covid, and Big Pharma and their lackeys in the gov't and MSM created a fear-porn shitstorm around it.

So... first you claim no one died from the flu, and now you claim people did die from the flu.

Please get back to me when you can figure out your position here. Which is it?

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Try to tell me why the MSM stopped freaking out about covid in 2022 when we had the most deaths ever, without admitting that:

I have zero interest in playing your dumb games built on these absurd, absolute statements. I already got sucked down your conspiratorial rabbit hole with the dumb flu assertion you made... and that turned out great, with you contradicting yourself in the very next post.

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

They also had to destroy the possibility of a cheap, off-patent drug like HCQ or Ivermectin saving the day, and preventing their vax from grabbing the spotlight.

Neither of those things saved the day. There are plenty of conspiratorial people who pushed them, tested them, and tried to make this claim.

27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's why the FREAKED OUT when HCQ was mentioned as a possible treatment. Ditto for ivermectin, Vitamin D, Zinc, etc....

The only thing freaking people out is that folks like you push these conspiratorial lies that get people killed.

WestCanMan · September 30, 2024

17 hours ago, Goddess said:

No, it wasn't.

The gain was only for the very elderly, the very obese and the already terminally ill.

And that's ONLY IF the jab worked, AND prevented the spread.

We already knew that it didn't do either of those things once the Israeli ICU data came in, and we hadn't gotten around to even offering the jab to people who weren't in the at-risk category yet at that point.

We 100% knew that the jab didn't stop the spread before we even OFFERED it to people in the non-at-risk category. We ignored the Israeli ICU data and pretended that it was a cure-all, and used that flawed premise to FORCE young people to take it.

I'm 100% done with covid10ts.

Goddess · October 1, 2024

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So are you acknowledging that "the flu took a year off" or not?

Masks prevent covid but no the flu, don'cha know.

It's the same "science" as went into "The covid virus will attack you if you're standing in a restaurant, but not if you're sitting and it can tell if you're buying nails at Home Depot or at the independent hardware store down the street, so we have to close the Mom & Pops and only let Home Depot stay open."

These people are m0r0ns.

Edited October 1, 2024 by Goddess

WestCanMan · October 1, 2024

6 hours ago, User said:

Most everything discussed here is from the perspective of North America. The point is that the flu is not as deadly as COVID was.

And no, the average is closer to half a million if we are talking about the entire world.

700K

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I have researched it myself.

The link you shared did not say there was no flu and no flu deaths as you claimed. It supports what I claimed, that flu deaths and cases were lower than normal.

The whole point of that "flu topic" is that covid killing people wasn't a novel idea, the flu always kills a lot of people, and that flu deaths for 2020 were shifted into the covid category. I'm not the first person to sarcastically talk about "the sudden and coincidental demise of the flu in 2020". Anyone with a brain knows that those people still all died, their deaths were calculated differently.

I was 100% correct when I said that the flu "took a year off" which it did, statistically.

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Influenza’s Unprecedented Low Profile During COVID-19 ...748 deaths

Between October 3, 2020, and July 24, 2021, of the 1.3 million specimens tested by clinical laboratories and reported to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 2136 were positive for influenza virus, and 748 deaths were coded as influenza, according to CDC data provided to JAMA.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2783644

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However, that doesn’t explain the eye-popping differences between the 2020-2021 flu season and its predecessor. In the 2019-2020 season, more than 38 million people in the US became sick with influenza and nearly 22 000 of them died, the CDC estimates.

22,000 deaths a year down to 778? 🤣

"Flu deaths went down by 96.5% in 2020...." Righto. Thanks for the "info" 😉"

If you look at the way they tabulated "covid deaths", it gets even fishier. Anyone who died within a couple weeks of having even mild symptoms "died of covid". Not died "with" it, died "of" it.

Buddy, that's just one of dozens of lies that we know about regarding the covid farce.

Honestly, the most shocking thing about the whole covid saga, imo, was the high death count recorded in Canada in 2022. It's like Drs didn't get the memo "STOP CHECKING THE BOX BESIDE COVID 😉 😉"

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It also goes on to support the reasons for why that I also put forth.

No, I clearly stated my position. The flu was significantly less, it did not take a year off nor was there no deaths as you claimed.

Buddy, stop with the straw man argument ffs.

https://ourworldindata.org/influenza-deaths

Globally, seasonal influenza kills an average of 700,000 people each year from respiratory disease or cardiovascular disease. During large flu pandemics, when influenza strains evolved substantially, the death toll was even higher.

From Scientific America; https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/

APRIL 29, 2021

2 MIN READ

Flu Has Disappeared for More Than a Year

If you'd like to believe that the flu didn't "take a year off" like I said, then take it up with Scientific American and others. I'm not some crackpot who said it. It's just what we're being told.

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I have zero interest in playing your dumb games built on these absurd, absolute statements.

So what part of what I said do you disagree with?

Covid deaths were higher in 2022?
The MSM's coverage of covid deaths in 2022 was down by 80%?

Pick either 1 or 2 to disagree with, and we'll see how that works out for you. Both are 100.0% correct.

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I already got sucked down your conspiratorial rabbit hole with the dumb flu assertion you made... and that turned out great, with you contradicting yourself in the very next post.

Are you on f'ing glue?

Look 6 inches up from here... you'll see Scientific American's own quote about flu stats for 2020, liar.

And I never "contradicted myself". I said that "the flu killed people, just like every other year for the past few centuries" because it obviously did. The only difference is that in 2020, "flu deaths" were chucked into the "covid deaths" category to add to the fear porn effect. That was my whole point to begin with. And I wasn't the first person here to even notice the ridiculously low flu death toll. I'm not claiming that's my find. It's just what we were told.

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Neither of those things saved the day. There are plenty of conspiratorial people who pushed them, tested them, and tried to make this claim.

Muller's Ratchet likely saved the day
The point was never that they 'did' save the day, because they were basically outlawed. The point is that as soon as they were mentioned as possibilities, there was a massive TNI campaign to discredit them and anyone who talked about them.
It's an absolute certainty that just taking Vitamin D would provide better health outcomes than the pseudovax did.

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The only thing freaking people out is that folks like you push these conspiratorial lies that get people killed.

Name 1 thing I said that is till considered a mere "conspiracy"?

Buddy, your whole "safe and effective vax, granny doesn't have to worry" narrative WAS ABSOLUTE BS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY, 100% DISCREDITED. There's not even 1% of truth to it now.

The number of 4x-vaxed covid deaths in summer of 2022 is incontrovertible evidence of that. There were very few 4xers in summer 2002, yet they accounted for a huge portion of covid deaths.

If it wasn't working after 4 jabs, it just was not working, period.

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Masks prevent covid but no the flu, don'cha know.

It's the same "science" as went into "The covid virus will attack you if you're standing in a restaurant, but not if you're sitting and it can tell if you're buying nails at Home Depot or at the independent hardware store down the street, so we have to close the Mom & Pops and only let Home Depot stay open."

These people are m0r0ns.

I love the whole "everyone has to wear masks all the time, except when you're sitting together, eating". 🤣 They even said that on airplanes.

"Covid isn't transmissible when you're eating" apparently. It takes coffee breaks too.😉

Goddess · October 1, 2024

8 hours ago, User said:

The point is that the flu is not as deadly as COVID was.

Barely. The IFRs are almost the same.

At the beginning, the WHO estimated the IFR at over 3, Trump listened to real epidemiologists and told everyone it was less than 1. Everybody went ballistic, but Trump was right. Covid IFR is between 0.03 and 0.07. The very elderly still only had a 0.5% chance of dying of covid, at most.

Not worth all the damage done by the OMG EVERYBODY PANIC response.

Unless you're eyeball who wants children to be maimed and die for him on the off-chance it might save his own sorry a$$.

You're both a couple of m0r0ns.

Goddess · October 1, 2024

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I love the whole "everyone has to wear masks all the time, except when you're sitting together, eating". 🤣 They even said that on airplanes.

"Covid isn't transmissible when you're eating" apparently. It takes coffee breaks too.😉

Neither of these 2 have the brain cells necessary to reason anything out for themselves. Neither has ever looked at a medical study or a dataset and they wouldn't know how to read it or figure out if it's a good study or not, anyways.

If it's not on CBC, they give themselves license to ignore anything scientific.

You'd think they would figure out they'd been conned by all the politicians & public health people who partied, travelled and had orgies during the lockdowns, but no.......................

And all those photo ops where they wore masks for the picture, then took them off and laughed at the plebes.......but no............

Edited October 1, 2024 by Goddess

eyeball · October 1, 2024

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Don't try telling me about "a young healthy person you know, who died from covid", because we both know that never happened.

Sure it did. Nearly 17500 kids worldwide died at the hands of Mr Fauci according to UNICEF.

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

User · October 1, 2024

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

700K

700K is the top end... you were talking averages. Again, the point is that the flu was not as deadly as COVID.

More than 700K died in America alone.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Anyone with a brain knows that those people still all died, their deaths were calculated differently.

No, anyone with a brain knows that when you lock people down, isolate, close things down, social distance, wear masks... contagious diseases like the flu are going to go down.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I was 100% correct when I said that the flu "took a year off" which it did, statistically.

Except, you didn't merely assert it took a year off, you asserted: "2020 and 2021 there was no flu, and no one died from it."

So, again, which is it... you just got done try to claim people did die from the flu... now you are back to claiming you were right when you said the flu took a year off.

It seems, as usual, you will simply just say whatever you can in the situation regardless of the truth of it.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, that's just one of dozens of lies that we know about regarding the covid farce.

What conspiratorial nonsense are you talking about now?

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, stop with the straw man argument ffs.

OK dude, arguing with you is pointless. There is no strawman here. You asserted something stupid, I called you out on it.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If you'd like to believe that the flu didn't "take a year off" like I said, then take it up with Scientific American and others. I'm not some crackpot who said it. It's just what we're being told.

Again, you are being dishonest. That is not all you said. You literally asserted: "there was no flu"

My issue is with you, not them.

Only now you are trying to desperately obfuscate this discussion and act like that is not what you said or meant.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So what part of what I said do you disagree with?

I guess you missed the part where I said I have zero interest in getting sucked into yet another stupid rabbit hole of yours... when you can't even be honest about the first one you got me sucked into.

This is what folks like you do... you just throw ever increasing amounts of shit at the wall until everything stinks and then you act like you have won some argument. Focus. You can't even get your story straight on the flu.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you on f'ing glue?

No, but I am wondering if you are. Maybe you thought that was another cure for COVID.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And I never "contradicted myself".

Yes, you did.

Before:

"2020 and 2021 there was no flu, and no one died from it."

After:

"There was also a real flu that year, just like every other year in the last few centuries, an it killed people just like it always did. "

Get back with me when you figure this out.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Name 1 thing I said that is till considered a mere "conspiracy"?

This: "They also had to destroy the possibility of a cheap, off-patent drug like HCQ or Ivermectin saving the day, and preventing their vax from grabbing the spotlight."

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, your whole "safe and effective vax, granny doesn't have to worry" narrative WAS ABSOLUTE BS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY, 100% DISCREDITED. There's not even 1% of truth to it now.

Where was that my narrative?

You have some character of some boogy man you want to argue with, it ain't me. Take your pent up conspiratorial stuff to the arcade and play some first person shooter games or something.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The number of 4x-vaxed covid deaths in summer of 2022 is incontrovertible evidence of that. There were very few 4xers in summer 2002, yet they accounted for a huge portion of covid deaths.

If it wasn't working after 4 jabs, it just was not working, period.

Show me your numbers here, what is this 4 times vaxxed deaths you are talking about.

User · October 1, 2024

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Barely. The IFRs are almost the same.

Show me your numbers and your sources.

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

You're both a couple of m0r0ns.

Yeah... sure, I am not the one who posted a cumulative deaths chart complaining about it not going down... ROFL

Goddess · October 2, 2024

On 9/30/2024 at 10:42 PM, User said:

Show me your numbers and your sources.

Are you kidding me?

You're here arguing about everything and you don't even know the IFR of either covid or the flu??????????

Holy fuque, no wonder you won't look at any of the papers on OAS - if you haven't even looked at the IFR, OAS is going to be waaaaaay over your head.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Goddess

User · October 2, 2024

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Are you kidding me?

You're here arguing about everything and you don't even know the IFR of either covid or the flu??????????

Holy fuque, no wonder you won't look at any of the papers on OAS - if you haven't even looked at the IFR, OAS is going to be waaaaaay over your head.

Sure... lets go with your silly childish outburst. You are on here trying to make an argument that "The IFRs are almost the same."

So, please educate someone ignorant like me. You have all this information in your brain, you know it, you should be able to easily post it and help someone out.

Goddess · October 2, 2024

On 9/30/2024 at 9:19 PM, eyeball said:

Sure it did. Nearly 17500 kids worldwide died at the hands of Mr Fauci according to UNICEF.

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

So a few thousand a year and we know that they were likely very sick children to begin with because the chances of a child dying are 0.03%. Remember the Alberta boy who "died of covid" even though he had brain cancer and died 2 days after they tested him for covid? Why would they test a child for covid on his deathbed and then announce he "died of covid"? Hmmmmm? Dishonest much?

I know you are firmly against medical ethics, eyeball, but some of us still do. For that amount of kids/year, a medical intervention would need to be 100% safe for the risk/benefit ratio to justify force vaccinating children.

PS - For perspective, now do how many children have died of other causes per year. Like trampolines, car accidents or bee stings.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Goddess

Goddess · October 2, 2024

4 minutes ago, User said:

please educate someone ignorant like me.

LOL

I cannot educate you, you only believe CBC headlines and don't have the brain capacity to understand studies or datasets.

It's also not my job to educate you. It's YOUR job.

I've posted extensively on IFR in this thread. You can type "IFR" into the search bar and see all the posts.

Of course, you won't do that. You're lazy and for some reason think I'm your mommy or are somehow obligated to obey you.

You'll just continue whining about how I didn't spoonfeed you.

User · October 2, 2024

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

LOL

I cannot educate you, you only believe CBC headlines and don't have the brain capacity to understand studies or datasets.

It's also not my job to educate you. It's YOUR job.

I've posted extensively on IFR in this thread. You can type "IFR" into the search bar and see all the posts.

Of course, you won't do that. You're lazy and for some reason think I'm your mommy or are somehow obligated to obey you.

You'll just continue whining about how I didn't spoonfeed you.

Educate me? Its just a couple of simple numbers you claim to have at your fingertips. You could have already shared them twice by now.

Goddess · October 2, 2024

On 9/29/2024 at 7:08 PM, User said:

Yes. I had a good friend I know die from COVID. I went to his funeral. I have friends who had family members die and who were severely hospitalized.

Like West, I also don't know anyone who died of covid or was hospitalized with it.

Have you considered that YOU might a be a superspreader?

23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I've posted extensively on IFR in this thread. You can type "IFR" into the search bar and see all the posts.

Of course, you won't do that. You're lazy and for some reason think I'm your mommy or are somehow obligated to obey you.

You'll just continue whining about how I didn't spoonfeed you.

18 minutes ago, User said:

Its just a couple of simple numbers you claim to have at your fingertips. You could have already shared them twice by now.

It's also at your fingertips. Hint: search bar, then 3 letters and click "Search".

User · October 2, 2024

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Like West, I also don't know anyone who died of covid or was hospitalized with it.

What do you think sharing this information means? What is your point?

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Have you considered that YOU might a be a superspreader?

No, why would I?

Are you admitting that COVID was real, a lot of people died, and there were superspreaders?

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's also at your fingertips. Hint: search bar, then 3 letters and click "Search".

You could have typed the numbers yet again.

eyeball · October 2, 2024

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

...force vaccinating children.

Don't you mean mass murdering them?

You say you bring an ethical perspective to this yet you can't bring yourself to own up to the hooey your perspective is made of.

WestCanMan · October 2, 2024

On 9/30/2024 at 9:40 PM, User said:

700K is the top end... you were talking averages. Again, the point is that the flu was not as deadly as COVID.

Does this say that 700k is the top end or the average. You looked straight at it ffs:

Globally, seasonal influenza kills an average of 700,000 people each year from respiratory disease or cardiovascular disease.

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More than 700K died in America alone.

No, anyone with a brain knows that when you lock people down, isolate, close things down, social distance, wear masks... contagious diseases like the flu are going to go down.

"Died of covid" was a BS metric. That has been discussed.
The Spanish flu just called. I couldn't hear what they were saying though, because they were laughing so f'ing hard. (FYI the flu isn't a joke)

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Except, you didn't merely assert it took a year off, you asserted: "2020 and 2021 there was no flu, and no one died from it."

So, again, which is it... you just got done try to claim people did die from the flu... now you are back to claiming you were right when you said the flu took a year off.

Buddy, you were told that the number of flu deaths went down by 96.5% and you just believed that.

Sorry but cloth masks and social distancing didn't cause that. Creative accounting caused that.

It's not my fault that you just believed everything that you were told about covid, and that your confirmation bias is so jacked up that you see a massive difference between "Down by 96.5%" and "Took a year off".

Just admit it: even Scientific American said that the flu took a year off or whatever. From now on when I'm talking to you I will be precise down to 1/10th of a percent, even though you'll accept "Basically does f' all for anyone but it does kill some young people who did'y need it" within the margin of error of "You don't have to worry about getting covid if you have the jab, you don't have to worry about giving it to granny, and it's safe".

Here's one for you that's accurate within 1/10th of a percent: "In the summer of 2022, 85.7% of covid deaths in Canada were among the 2x- to 4x-vaxed, and only 85% of Canadians were vaxed. There were 30% more covid deaths in 2022 than in 2021 despite the massive vax rollout." How does that work for you? Is it accurate enough? Is there anything that you'd like to say about that, to enlighten us all on how the vax saved us?

You're a joke, User.

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It seems, as usual, you will simply just say whatever you can in the situation regardless of the truth of it.

What conspiratorial nonsense are you talking about now?

OK dude, arguing with you is pointless. There is no strawman here. You asserted something stupid, I called you out on it.

And I proved you wrong, dummy. There are way more flu deaths every year than you thought, and everyone who read this page knows that "the seasonal flu "disappeared for more than a year" according to the people who track that stat". Carve that in stone now, dummy. Don't haggle over semantics.

You understand my point perfectly clearly "The seasonal flu deaths were rolled into the covid deaths category for the fear porn value of it".

I can promise you that cloth masks and social distancing didn't drop seasonal flu rates by 96.5%.

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Again, you are being dishonest. That is not all you said. You literally asserted: "there was no flu"

My issue is with you, not them.

Only now you are trying to desperately obfuscate this discussion and act like that is not what you said or meant.

Fine. Tell Scientific American that the flu didn't actually disappear for over a year then.

I don't know why you think I invented that or lied about it.

YOU KNOW THAT YOU WERE LIED TO DUMMY, and not by me.

Do you want your kids and then your grandkids to be Big Pharma's stooges 15 and 30 years from now? Because not only did you take the bait like a gullible guppy, you're sitting here 2 years later refusing to spit out the hook, and pretending that hooks are good for you.

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"2020 and 2021 there was no flu, and no one died from it."

After:"There was also a real flu that year, just like every other year in the last few centuries, an it killed people just like it always did. "

OMG you still don't get it.

There is something implied in the first sentence that you're missing.

"2020 and 2021 there was no flu, and no one died from it." = "in 2020 and 2021 WE WERE TOLD THAT there was no flu, and no one died from it, BUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS HAVE DIED OF THE FLU EVERY YEAR FOR 100 YEARS, SO WE KNOW THAT TENS OF THOUSANDS OE PEOPLE DIED OF THE FLU IN THE COVID YEARS, BUT THOSE DEATHS WERE THROWN INTO THE COVID FEAR PORN DEATHS CATEGORY, NOT FLU DEATHS."

Why would I randomly care about how many flu deaths there actually were in 2020 and 2021? I don't, that would be a good thing if no one died from the flu in those years. I care that those deaths were counted as covid deaths.

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This: "They also had to destroy the possibility of a cheap, off-patent drug like HCQ or Ivermectin saving the day, and preventing their vax from grabbing the spotlight."

That was 100% true. Before HCQ even had a chance to go through proper clinical trials it was angrily branded as a failure. Dr Dider Ralout was globally panned as a quack. Then NEJoM and Lancet hastily published a single clinical trial that they later had to recall, after it was widely circulated, but that one fake trial was taken and gospel and as the final word on HCQ. The dragon was slain.

How many times did we find out the covid jab didn't work, just to be promised "but the next one will work!!!"?

The jab failed ALL THE TIME! EVERY TIME!

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Show me your numbers here, what is this 4 times vaxxed deaths you are talking about.

Look in the "85.7% of covid deaths" thread. I don't have all day.

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30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Does this say that 700k is the top end or the average. You looked straight at it ffs:

Globally, seasonal influenza kills an average of 700,000 people each year from respiratory disease or cardiovascular disease.

I was looking at some older numbers, 700K is the number.

30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"Died of covid" was a BS metric. That has been discussed.

Oh great... here we go again. So, did anyone die of COVID? Are we back to the conspiratorial craziness?

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, you were told that the number of flu deaths went down by 96.5% and you just believed that.

No percentages were offered, you claimed there were no flu deaths... I am still trying to get you to figure out what you are assering here. You claim there were none, you claim there were some...

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Sorry but cloth masks and social distancing didn't cause that. Creative accounting caused that.

So... you didn't trust the CDC link you shared with me that you used to support your previous comments?

Yet again... more contradictions.

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not my fault that you just believed everything that you were told about covid, and that your confirmation bias is so jacked up that you see a massive difference between "Down by 96.5%" and "Took a year off".

Again, you did not merely say "took a year off"

It is your fault that you contradict yourself. You literally quoted me already saying this to you in this response.

Here you go again:

Except, you didn't merely assert it took a year off, you asserted: "2020 and 2021 there was no flu, and no one died from it."

Let me know when you can figure out what your argument is here and what you want to assert.

42 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're a joke, User.

No, you are a joke. You contradict yourself, and instead of owning up to that and figuring out what your position is you have to play these dumb games.

43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And I proved you wrong, dummy. There are way more flu deaths every year than you thought, and everyone who read this page knows that "the seasonal flu "disappeared for more than a year" according to the people who track that stat". Carve that in stone now, dummy. Don't haggle over semantics.

Way more than I thought? My position was that 700K was the top of the range. The argument being made here was that more people died of COVID.

So, is your big conspiracy that no one died of COVID and all those deaths were the flu?

Stop playing these dumb games. Just come out and say what it is you are trying to beat around the bushes about. You won't do it, because you know how dumb it is. You just want to imply it.

45 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I can promise you that cloth masks and social distancing didn't drop seasonal flu rates by 96.5%.

How much do you think that statistic is off by then? What do you base that on?

58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You understand my point perfectly clearly "The seasonal flu deaths were rolled into the covid deaths category for the fear porn value of it".

OK, so... first you claim no one died of the flu, and now you think people did die from the flu, but that they were all falsely categorized as COVID deaths.

OK... so what is your point then?

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Fine. Tell Scientific American that the flu didn't actually disappear for over a year then.

I don't know why you think I invented that or lied about it.

YOU KNOW THAT YOU WERE LIED TO DUMMY, and not by me.

Which is it man, are you here saying the flu disappeared or that it was here the whole time and just counted as COVID deaths? Make up your mind.

Are you saying Scientific American lied? Then why are you here telling me I need to tell them anything if you don't even believe them?

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you want your kids and then your grandkids to be Big Pharma's stooges 15 and 30 years from now? Because not only did you take the bait like a gullible guppy, you're sitting here 2 years later refusing to spit out the hook, and pretending that hooks are good for you.

No, I sure don'! What bait did I take here? Where was I gullible? What hook am I refusing to spit out?

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Why would I randomly care about how many flu deaths there actually were in 2020 and 2021? I don't, that would be a good thing if no one died from the flu in those years. I care that those deaths were counted as covid deaths.

To what end? What is your point?

I have no idea why you care.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

That was 100% true. Before HCQ even had a chance to go through proper clinical trials it was angrily branded as a failure. Dr Dider Ralout was globally panned as a quack. Then NEJoM and Lancet hastily published a single clinical trial that they later had to recall, after it was widely circulated, but that one fake trial was taken and gospel and as the final word on HCQ. The dragon was slain.

Ah, I see. How convenient for your conspiracy theory.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

How many times did we find out the covid jab didn't work, just to be promised "but the next one will work!!!"?

The jab failed ALL THE TIME! EVERY TIME!

No, you see, you keep exaggerating here. Just like you did with flu deaths. You claim no one died... then you claim some died, then you claim that they all still died as usual, but were counted as COVID deaths...

The COVID vaccine did not fail or not work. Did it work as effective as claimed? No. Was it a savior in preventing spread? No. It certainly did provide protection to folks at risk in helping to prevent their deaths or serious hospitalization.

That is not a failure.