Yzermandius19 Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Does your population attack the Russian migrants? Do they kill them relentlessly? Finland has been attacked by Russia before they are all too aware of the Russian penchant for warmongering you aren't going to fool a Finn into thinking Russia is just defending themselves in Ukraine they aren't that stupid and naive and they know the Russians a helluva lot better than you do Edited May 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: Finland has been attacked by Russia before they are all too aware of the Russian penchant for warmongering you aren't going to fool a Finn into thinking Russia is just defending themselves in Ukraine they aren't that stupid and naive and they know the Russians a helluva lot better than you do The Russians aren't gonna attack Finland. Not unless this Ukraine thing gets escalated, and I don't see Russia escalating to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 hours ago, Nationalist said: The Russians aren't gonna attack Finland. Not unless this Ukraine thing gets escalated, and I don't see Russia escalating to that point. it's Russia's last chance to plug the holes in their defense they are pretty desperate, hence escalating in Ukraine in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 32 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: it's Russia's last chance to plug the holes in their defense they are pretty desperate, hence escalating in Ukraine in the first place Man...where do you get this wild crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Man...where do you get this wild crap? they aren't invading Ukraine for economic reasons it's obviously a security thing it's all about the Black Sea and the Carpathian Mountains geographical barriers that can be defended Russian demographics mean their army is going to shrink going forward not grow the longer they wait the harder it will be for their military to take them it's now or never for Russia and they have signaled they would rather go down swinging than go down quietly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: they aren't invading Ukraine for economic reasons it's obviously a security thing it's all about the Black Sea and the Carpathian Mountains geographical barriers that can be defended Russian demographics mean their army is going to shrink going forward not grow the longer they wait the harder it will be for their military to take them it's now or never for Russia and they have signaled they would rather go down swinging than go down quietly Ya...ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Ya...ok excellent rebuttal for someone who is so sure I'm wrong you have no ability to articulate why you think you're right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: excellent rebuttal for someone who is so sure I'm wrong you have no ability to articulate why you think you're right Don't be stupid. I've articulated my position and reasons for it countless times. You, on the other hand, are so freaked out that now you think Russia is gonna invade Finland. The only way this little war escalates is if the USA and NATO force the issue. Stay the hell outta this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Don't be stupid. I've articulated my position and reasons for it countless times. You, on the other hand, are so freaked out that now you think Russia is gonna invade Finland. The only way this little war escalates is if the USA and NATO force the issue. Stay the hell outta this! Finland is freaked out that Russia might attack them because they know their history prior to Ukraine they thought the best way to avoid that was Finlandization but the Ukrainians tried that and Russia attacked anyway hence why Finland will finally be joining NATO because caving to Russian demands doesn't save you that just makes the Russians think you're weak and encourages them to try and pick on you Finland knows Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Finland is freaked out that Russia might attack them because they know their history prior to Ukraine they thought the best way to avoid that was Finlandization but the Ukrainians tried that and Russia attacked anyway hence why they will finally be joining NATO suck it Russia You're going to compare the situation in Ukraine to Finland? Ok...you can go hide under your bed again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You're going to compare the situation in Ukraine to Finland? Ok...you can go hide under your bed again... I'm comparing Ukraine and Finland altering their foreign policy to placate Russia which clearly only encourages Russian aggression and is a bad strategy neutrality will not save you from Russia Ukraine and Finland know Poland and the Baltic states know Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: I'm comparing Ukraine and Finland altering their foreign policy to placate Russia which clearly only encourages Russian aggression and is a bad strategy Ya...ok... Don't forget to sweep out the dust-bunnies before you climb under there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Ya...ok... Don't forget to sweep out the dust-bunnies before you climb under there. you're the one who is scared of any nation standing up to Russia not me you are typing this under your bed right now and projecting your own fear on me you should be afraid of appeasement, not deterrence yet here you are championing a Neville Chamberlain like attitude towards Russia Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: you're the one who is scared of any nation standing up to Russia not me This "war" is none of our business! NATO and US involvement has only aggravated a controllable situation. And starting a war with the second most nuclear armed nation over this crap..is dumb dumb dumb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: This "war" is none of our business! NATO and US involvement has only aggravated a controllable situation. And starting a war with the second most nuclear armed nation over this crap..is dumb dumb dumb! Russia isn't going to stop at Ukraine, they will make it your business no matter how much you appease them in the meantime appeasement will just embolden them Russia does not respect weakness peace through strength not caving and giving them whatever they want "peace in our time" style you're just Chamberlain 2.0 your approach makes nuclear war more likely, not mine Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Russia isn't going to stop at Ukraine, they will make it your business no matter how much you appease them in the meantime appeasement will just embolden them Russia does not respect weakness peace through strength not caving and giving them whatever they want "peace in our time" style you're just Chamberlain 2.0 your approach makes nuclear war more likely, not mine Huh...all the CBC and CNN talking points. And how many times have they been correct in the last few years? Remember...dust-bunnies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Huh...all the CBC and CNN talking points. And how many times have they been correct in the last few years? Remember...dust-bunnies. they aren't always wrong though they often are just because they take a certain position on an issue doesn't make that position wrong by default Hitler drank water, that doesn't mean you shouldn't, just because Hitler was wrong a lot even a broken clock is right twice a day attack the message, not the messenger Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: they aren't always wrong though they often are just because they take a certain position on an issue doesn't make that position wrong by default Hitler drank water, that doesn't mean you shouldn't, just because Hitler was wrong a lot even a broken clock is right twice a day attack the message, not the messenger LOL...too funny. Hey how's that Steele Dossier thing workin' out there? Hitler was wrong about a lot of things. But...had he halted his expansion before attacking either England or Russia, history would be quite a bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: LOL...too funny. Hey how's that Steele Dossier thing workin' out there? Hitler was wrong about a lot of things. But...had he halted his expansion before attacking either England or Russia, history would be quite a bit different. CNN and the CBC were clearly wrong about the Steele dossier, that was obvious from the start I disagree with them on a lot Hitler was emboldened to keep expanding by people like you pushing appeasement as the only way to avoid war your strategy made WWII more likely Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: CNN and the CBC were clearly wrong about the Steele dossier, that was obvious from the start I disagree with them on a lot Hitler was emboldened to keep expanding by people like you pushing appeasement as the only way to avoid war your strategy made WWII more likely Hilarious. Look mate...the Ukraine had an opportunity to join NATO and they blew it. Why? Because in the end, they have the same mentality as...OMG...as the "evil Russians". Corruption is rampant there. They willingly work with self-described Neo-Nazis. Zelinsky himself has acted like a dictator. And why shouldn't he? That's the mentality of the people. Its "normal" for them. Now...seeing that you actually know Jack-shit about the region...the Ukraine was cut out of parts of Russia, Poland and Slovakia...mostly...and proclaimed a nation by the UN. It was destined to failure. That the Russian parts were the first to protest is not surprising at all. As I've said many times...Putin should not have invaded. But the unfortunate truth of all this is that he's not the only one who needs to accept blame here. The UN and the twits who thought making Ukraine the way they did, are largely to blame as well. As for the USA and NATO...this is none of our Gawd-Damn business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hilarious. Look mate...the Ukraine had an opportunity to join NATO and they blew it. Why? Because in the end, they have the same mentality as...OMG...as the "evil Russians". Corruption is rampant there. They willingly work with self-described Neo-Nazis. Zelinsky himself has acted like a dictator. And why shouldn't he? That's the mentality of the people. Its "normal" for them. Now...seeing that you actually know Jack-shit about the region...the Ukraine was cut out of parts of Russia, Poland and Slovakia...mostly...and proclaimed a nation by the UN. It was destined to failure. That the Russian parts were the first to protest is not surprising at all. As I've said many times...Putin should not have invaded. But the unfortunate truth of all this is that he's not the only one who needs to accept blame here. The UN and the twits who thought making Ukraine the way they did, are largely to blame as well. As for the USA and NATO...this is none of our Gawd-Damn business. Ukraine was never going to join NATO I blame Putin for invading Ukraine I don't try and pretend others are to blame for it that's more your bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Ukraine was never going to join NATO I blame Putin for invading Ukraine I don't try and pretend others are to blame for it that's more your bag OK. Then you are...what's commonly known as a "simpleton". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: OK. Then you are...what's commonly known as a "simpleton". nah I just don't engage in silly false equivalencies I blame who is actually to blame instead of letting Russia off the hook to emphasize the mistakes of others as if pointing fingers elsewhere is more relevant than pointing them at Russia you are what is commonly known as a "moral relativist" Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: nah I just don't engage in silly false equivalencies I blame who is actually to blame instead of letting Russia off the hook to emphasize the mistakes of others as if pointing fingers elsewhere is more relevant than pointing them at Russia you are what is commonly known as a "moral relativist" Except I've never tried to equate Ukraine with Finland. And I am intelligent enough to realize that there's plenty of blame to go around...including Russia. "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" Don't you Libbies get tired of being wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Except I've never tried to equate Ukraine with Finland. And I am intelligent enough to realize that there's plenty of blame to go around...including Russia. "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" Don't you Libbies get tired of being wrong? not a Libbie if you're intelligent enough to know Russia deserves plenty of blame then why be stupid and defend them just because the Libbies attack them? that just discredits your argument and plays into the Libbies hands good job Edited May 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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