The NDP/Liberal Dictatorship

[myata]

On 4/7/2022 at 12:48 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

We have a representative democracy

No we do not. In reality MPs have no independent voice and are subject to dictate and whipping by unelected party offices. This is another stamp from the picture book with little to no substance in the reality.

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, myata said:

No we do not. In reality MPs have no independent voice and are subject to dictate and whipping by unelected party offices. This is another stamp from the picture book with little to no substance in the reality.

In reality, MP's have no voice at all. they are supposed to be the voice of the constituents.

[myata]

35 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

As they continue to decline, other parties will start breaking through in an unpredictable way. Then coalitions will become very difficult to avoid.

That would be a tremendous uphill battle for them - just look at the Greens. The system is so skewed and hopelessly outdated that virtually any change would be better than the status quo.

And again in a system that deliberately throws away so much of the vote, we shouldn't use the same word for very different entities. For a Lib/NDP coalition to reach a majority in PR would be a serious feat. But in FPTP, you first skew the popular vote in a major way, and then create this quasi-coalition. These numbers don't reflect and cannot reflect the reality of the country, and further, it's entirely deliberate, suits the default players to maintain the grip on power. Of course with tacit complacency of the populace.

Edited June 14, 2022 by myata

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 6/14/2022 at 6:56 PM, Zeitgeist said:

So basically the Liberals are the NDP.  True.

By American criteria, Canada is a decidedly left-of-centre country. That’s how it is. One shouldn’t be surprised when some of these left-wing parties work together. 

[myata]

CPC had the highest popular vote in the last election: 34.3%. In a proportional system, it would have had the first hand in forming a coalition, and several layouts of a coalition would be possible, for example: CPC + BQ + PPC + some smaller parties that we don't have. Liberals + NDP probably wouldn't have their just barely majority because with PR, part of the electorate would have chosen other parties that we don't have. No you cannot take massively skewed results, deliberately made to skew the popular vote and pretend that they reflect the reality of the country. If the choice isn't open and free all bets are off. We simply don't know how the major parties would have performed in an open system with fair competition where every vote counts.

Edited June 17, 2022 by myata