Putin Dummying Another Dem President

[DogOnPorch]

13 hours ago, Aristides said:

Do you check your closets and under your bed before you go to sleep?

 

Again...you do nothing about it at home.

[DogOnPorch]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

…said Neville Chamberlain

 

I look forward to your up-close livestreams from the Ukraine.

What? You're not going, either?

Of course not...but you'd like someone to die for you.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

There was no martial law and plenty of Ontario cops were there. They recruited cop’s from across Canada because of the size of the force that was required. No different than G20 or others large events. 
 

It’s hilarious seeing the righty’s one-time support for occupation and protest. A few First Nations people block a train track or a logging truck or a housing development or A FUCKING GOLF COURSE and conservatives they want them all executed for treason. But some white right wing extremists representing a fringe minority occupy the capital and border crossings for 3 weeks and do more economic damage then all the BLM protests combined and suddenly conservatives think theres an unlimited right to protest no matter how many people they harm.

? You're raging like a drunk chihuahua when you should just be quiet, reading my awesome posts [for free, Beave. You can read my posts for free! WHAT A BARGAIN!]. 

Yes, there was martial law, even if it was just our cops who had military-style powers and not actual soldiers. And the emergencies act can be used to deploy our actual soldiers. 

1) FYI you're right, a few natives blocked train tracks for 7 weeks. That's a small % of the population of the country stopping services to all of Canada. There was a propane shortage in Quebec because of it. 

2) The damage from BLM included thousands of injured police officers, a couple dozen dead people, and city blocks that have yet to be rebuilt. How do you measure that in $? But FYI, the damage from BLM was in the billions. The blockades did far less damage. Yes, trade with the US was down 25% for a week, but compare that with the tens of thousands of Canadians lost their jobs (100% of their income, not just 25%) indefinitely. Don't you care about them? Our snotty bitch PM froze the bank accounts of Canadians who did nothing. Compare that with the VP of the US who was bailing criminals out of jail. 

Your head is so far up your ass that you can lick your own tonsils.

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

The Red Army loved their 'Cossacks'...a loose term in this case as you well know. WW2 saw extensive use of Red cavalry...which means mounted on a horse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry_corps_(Soviet_Union)

So their general good standing in the community of peoples in the region compelled the Soviets to co-opt that good standing to put a little shine on themselves.

Cossacks were amongst the first to declare war against the Bolsheviks. You couldn't have co-opted them in a more retarded manner when comparing them to Trudeau's bloody crackdown on peaceful protestors, as you well know...now.

I thought you were supposed to be the forum's hotshot amateur historian with your finger on the pulse of historical currents and trends. Where you seem to fall down really badly is in the projection of your own peculiar politics on the past.  History is what it is, not what you want it to be.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Aristides said:

Do you check your closets and under your bed before you go to sleep?

Are you oblivious to the erosions of rights and freedoms here?

Are you oblivious to Trudeau's overreaches as PM?  

Do you think that fascism starts with a speech like "Freedom sucks, I wanna be a fascist"?

You laugh it off because you like the fascism. You like it when Trudeau lavishes money on sycophant media outlets and then has the RCMP drop Rebel News reporters to the ground because they're not "accredited" reporters. Sorry if they don't just report on the approved news items, with the PMO's approved narrative, and if they mention some facts that are supposed to be omitted, but that's what news is. 

When a man is shown on video, on his knees with his hands behind his head, getting thrown to the ground and beaten by multiple Canadian police, that should make the news.

We don't have footage of anything like that happening to a black man here, or an aboriginal man (and I'm not doubting whether or not it has), but if we did it would be all over our news, because I've seen them try to manufacture such stories. 

When a FN lady is trampled by horses our media shouldn't largely ignore, but talk about it just enough to inject the PM's approved narrative, complete with invisible, flying bikes. 

[WestCanMan]

So the Dems' weakness and stupidity triggered a war in Ukraine, but they didn't just stop there, check this out:

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SEN. MARK WARNER: "One of the things that I'm gravely concerned about is if Russia unleashes its full cyber power against Ukraine. Once you put malware into the wild, in a sense, it knows no geographic boundaries. So, if the Russians decide they're going to try to turn off the power, turn off all the electricity all across Ukraine, very likely that may turn off the power in eastern Poland and eastern Romania. That could affect our troops if suddenly hospitals are shut down. If those NATO troops, American troops, somehow have a car accident because the stoplights don't work, we are suddenly in an area of hypothetically an Article Five where one NATO country is attacked, we all have to come to each other's aid." 

What a crock of shit. It's BIZARRE and ALARMING that someone would ever talk like this.

He's contemplating 3M NATO soldiers into armed conflict if "a Latvian or American soldier gets into a car accident 'cuz the traffic lights were out" because in his mind that equates to "a targeted military strike by Russia against a NATO country". What a f'n dummy. 

How long is he going to wait for the police to come to a determination about whether or not the car accident was actually a result of the lights being out? Or who had the right of way? What if it's just a fender bender with a sprained wrist - is it nuke time? Does he start dropping nukes when a ticket is issued to the person who caused the accident, or do they get to fight the ticket in court first? Do we trust the judge [not all the judges in Europe were appointed by Biden]?

Forget about this war for a second, what happens if it's peacetime and a Russian soldier is acting as a police escort for a diplomat who's visiting the US, and while he's driving their car he drops a cigarette on his balls, causing him to get into an accident with a car driven by a US marine? Do we start nuking people at that exact moment? What if they two soldiers start punching each other? Is it nuke time now? C'mon Mark Warner, spell it all out for us because we're just peons and we aren't supposed to think for ourselves during covid. 

 

The situation in Ukraine is bad, but the worst part is that people like Mark Warner are talking about it. His mouth is like a loaded rocket launcher in the hands of a 4 year old. 

 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

…said Neville Chamberlain

Is Neville Chamberlain the guy who started polishing Putin's pipeline as soon as he became POTUS?

Oh wait, no, that was this guy:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6298506842001#sp=show-clips

If you don't have time to watch the doddering fool, I'll summarize:

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Putin doesn't want me to be president because he knows that I'll put an end to his tyranny against America and Eastern Europe

? It's pure comedy gold.

[eyeball]

I can't think of a more dummying thing that contributed to the complacency surrounding Putin rising than GWB's mesmerization when he gazed deeply into his eyes and saw a man America could do business with.

The fact of the matter is that America has been more than happy to be seduced by dictators and autocrats for decades and that's largely why the world is such a mess today.

The Shining Beacon is just an illusion.

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I can't think of a more dummying thing that contributed to the complacency surrounding Putin rising than GWB's mesmerization when he gazed deeply into his eyes and saw a man America could do business with.

It's actually a liberal position to take if you think about it.

On the one end of the spectrum people say: " 'Murica will never do business with godless commies. Hopefully their economies will forever remain stagnant and their people will grow up alone and in the dark."

On the opposite end of the spectrum people would say: " America will start to conduct business with the people in communist countries, and hopefully as the internet opens up the world and people get to know each other we can grow together."

The problem here is that NATO is a creeping threat, still aimed at Russia. "Hey, we're friends. Just get used to my gun being in your face as I come closer, pal o' mine."

I dunno if friendship with Russia would ever work, but not trying is not a great option. 

[DogOnPorch]

When lefties are excited about fighting a war with a nuclear armed power, something odd is up.

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's actually a liberal position to take if you think about it.

On the one end of the spectrum people say: " 'Murica will never do business with godless commies. Hopefully their economies will forever remain stagnant and their people will grow up alone and in the dark."

On the opposite end of the spectrum people would say: " America will start to conduct business with the people in communist countries, and hopefully as the internet opens up the world and people get to know each other we can grow together."

There's another school of thought that says not trucking and trading with them will indeed leave dictators economies in the dark and then their people will overthrow them. This reasoning is at the very heart of the sanctions we're purportedly trying to use now to force Putin to change course.  Better late than never I suppose but there can be no doubt that conducting business with dictators has empowered and enriched them far more than it has the people under their thumbs. It's also enriched enabling nations in the west who did everything they could to arm, aid, support, overlook, encourage, defend and on occasion eliminate the odd dictator if it suited them.  One does like to keep up appearances on occasion.

This notion that these societies will open up and become more like us as a result is dead wrong - our societies are actually becoming more like theirs.

I'm not surprised you ignored the more relevant 2nd half of my post that spoke to this. I've seen that a lot from conservatives over the years.  You seem overly-sensitive to the topic of how/why the west has coddled so many dictators and authoritarians over the last 6 - 7 decades. Sure, this coddling has occurred under governments that are deemed to be leftish in nature but the phenomenon I'm describing has more to do with acquiring/distributing wealth and power amongst the already wealthy and powerful and you guys seem to have a special fondness for their values.  I guess you either just think you're better than the rest of the great unwashed or that no poor man ever gave you a job so.... 

As for the Internet saving the day, it's more like a firehose delivering gasoline to a fire.

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The problem here is that NATO is a creeping threat, still aimed at Russia. "Hey, we're friends. Just get used to my gun being in your face as I come closer, pal o' mine."

That stance is for domestic consumption and it only feeds the stance Putin is dishing up for his own constituency.

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I dunno if friendship with Russia would ever work, but not trying is not a great option.

Friendship amongst ordinary people is easy so long as the friendship amongst everyone's rulers doesn't get to exclusive and cozy. 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This notion that these societies will open up and become more like us as a result is dead wrong - our societies are actually becoming more like theirs.

I'm not surprised you ignored the more relevant 2nd half of my post that spoke to this. I've seen that a lot from conservatives over the years.  You seem overly-sensitive to the topic of how/why the west has coddled so many dictators and authoritarians over the last 6 - 7 decades. Sure, this coddling has occurred under governments that are deemed to be leftish in nature but the phenomenon I'm describing has more to do with acquiring/distributing wealth and power amongst the already wealthy and powerful and you guys seem to have a special fondness for their values.  I guess you either just think you're better than the rest of the great unwashed or that no poor man ever gave you a job so.... 

As for the Internet saving the day, it's more like a firehose delivering gasoline to a fire.

That stance is for domestic consumption and it only feeds the stance Putin is dishing up for his own constituency.

Friendship amongst ordinary people is easy so long as the friendship amongst everyone's rulers doesn't get to exclusive and cozy. 

I'm not saying that the plan hasn't backfired to some extent [great extent], but waiting for people to overthrow dictators isn't a thing either. 

We can't do that to the ME because the world needs their resources - it will always be a shithole. We can't do it to China because they are such an important part of the global supply chain right now. The only country we can really do that to is NoKo. We can make their people suffer indefinitely. Is that really a good thing to do though? I'd hate to think of the Korean people that I know just stuck back over there, suffering for generations to come. There has to be another way. 

I dunno if Trump's tough sanctions with the promise of a brighter future would have worked there, but we'll never know now. Bungling Biden has his stupid, greasy paws on everything now. 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

When lefties are excited about fighting a war with a nuclear armed power, something odd is up.

It probably only seems that way because you righties have suddenly gotten all blase about standing up to commies.

Nazis OTOH, well, apparently they're the 'progs' now...notwithstanding the fact cons empowered them in the 1st place.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Bungling Biden has his stupid, greasy paws on everything now. 

Sure, just blame the Biden's and Trudeau's of the moment...who wants to think about all that other shit anyway?

History sucks.

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It probably only seems that way because you righties have suddenly gotten all blase about standing up to commies.

Nazis OTOH, well, apparently they're the 'progs' now...notwithstanding the fact cons empowered them in the 1st place.

 

So when are you going to Kharkov to die for Ukraine?

[eyeball]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

So when are you going to Kharkov to die for Ukraine?

Well, I'm probably to old myself but I do notice there have been calls for international volunteers to join the resistance against Putin. That would probably have tongues wagging in the west faster than a tail wags a dog.

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, just blame the Biden's and Trudeau's of the moment...who wants to think about all that other shit anyway?

History sucks.

Remember when King John signed the Magna Carta? Who does the Royal Family blame that on?

Remember when Napoleon got his goose cooked at Waterloo? Napoleons can still cook geese but it's no comfort to him. And he also takes the blame.

You can piss and moan and absolve Obama [the 'reset button' POTUS who had the unfortunate 'Vladdy' hot mic incident] and Biden of any guilt within your own mind, but history just records names and dates ?

2008-2016 Obama - Prez when Putin said "I'll take all of this and some of this", who had his thumb up his arse the whole time. Prez who said "Let them kill all of our men in Benghazi. We will lie about the reason why they were attacked."

You have to make excuses for Obama to act as if everything was ok.

2016 - 2020 Trump - The POTUS who cleared out islamic state, fragged Iran's top two generals for killing a single American contractor, and collected terrorist leaders' heads like as many postage stamps. Putin did NOTHING while Trump was POTUS, aside from laugh while the Dems took the Russian bait - hook, line and sinker. The Taliban peacefully awaited Trump's departure from the WH. 

You don't have to make any excuses for Trump. He inherited a complete shitshow from Obama, but all of America's enemies bit the pillow while Trump was POTUS. 

2020 - 22[?] Biden - The self-proclaimed toughguy POTUS who got dummied by some goat-herders with 1955 assault rifles and homemade pipe bombs, who just stammered when Putin said "I'll take it all, bitches".

You have to make excuses for Biden to act as if everything was ok, and he has only been POTUS for 14 months.

 

Obama and Biden were more yellow than orange - it sucks to suck.  

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It probably only seems that way because you righties have suddenly gotten all blase about standing up to commies.

Nazis OTOH, well, apparently they're the 'progs' now...notwithstanding the fact cons empowered them in the 1st place.

It's not a case of: "WTF do I do now that the Russians are attacking?"

It's a case of being a strong leader so that Russia knows better than to attack.

Do you think that Trump would have watched the Russians amass troops on the border and did nothing for 12 months? "Duhhhh, what are those 150,000 troops doing there? I'll just wait for them to attack and then try some sanctions on them."

 

This is like training your dog not to attack something. When he pricks up his years and turns aggressively you have to stop him right away. After he takes the 3rd step it's too late. You'll notice that this thread wasn't started after Putin attacked. It was started when the words "mene mene tekel upharsin" appeared on the wall of the WH.

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a case of being a strong leader so that Russia knows better than to attack.

Yeah well, it coulda shoulda woulda been that way had 'our' side not squandered the moral authority it had in the past on being so supportive of dictators.

You know full well Trump would have perched and rotated in front of Putin.  I mean with Tucker and Fox News on his side c'mon.

Edited February 25, 2022 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You know full well Trump would have perched and rotated in front of Putin.  I mean with Tucker and Fox News on his side c'mon.

? ? ?

Weak.

I just recited the litany of successes by Trump, sandwiched between a longer list of the abject failures & lies by Biden and Obama, and you came back with "Well I think that Trump woulda [insert CNN lies and disinformation here]".

FYI the best predictor of the future is the past, and Trump's history has nothing to do with biting the pillow, Obama/Biden style.

P.S. I forget about Biden's drone-strike when I was rattling off his list of failures. "We killed some really small Al Qaeda terrorists!" (one of them was even breast-feeding)

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

When lefties are excited about fighting a war with a nuclear armed power, something odd is up.

 

The idea is to not fight a war. The allies had several chances to prevent WW2 by standing up to Hitler early but they didn't and by the time they did, war was the only option.

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I look forward to your up-close livestreams from the Ukraine.

What? You're not going, either?

Of course not...but you'd like someone to die for you.

So by your idiotic logic, anyone who doesn’t  personally go and fight in the Ukraine isn’t allowed to be opposed to Putins invasion?  If you don’t join the police department are you allowed to be against crime? 
 

How ridiculous and pathetic your arguments are. You’re a fascist appeaser desperately grasping at any straw, no different than the ones that apologized for Hitler 

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

 

The idea is to not fight a war. The allies had several chances to prevent WW2 by standing up to Hitler early but they didn't and by the time they did, war was the only option.

 

By cancelling various forms of energy in North America & Europe for green reasons, we ALL gave Putin all the tools he needed to dominate Europe if he so desires. What did you think would result? Strength?

Weakness resulted. 

[DogOnPorch]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So by your idiotic logic, anyone who doesn’t  personally go and fight in the Ukraine isn’t allowed to be opposed to Putins invasion?  If you don’t join the police department are you allowed to be against crime? 
 

How ridiculous and pathetic your arguments are. You’re a fascist appeaser desperately grasping at any straw, no different than the ones that apologized for Hitler 

 

Like most Canadians, I'm more worried about the fascist at home rather than the fascist in Moscow. But I do note Putin took a page from Trudeau's playbook and arrested 1900 peaceful protesters or some number like that. Ukraine, while marginally better than Russia, is where all the globalists do all their dirty work. Putin might actually have a good side effect on Canada by shutting down that corrupt Chinese laundry. Freeland likes the ancestral homeland a bit too much, it would seem to me...being a WEF great reset proponent. Makes me only more suspicious of both her motives and yours for suddenly caring for the Slavic people...who last week you could've given a rat's rear about.

Again, I'll note that other than bluster at your Canadian internet opponents, you're not going to do a damn thing to help Ukraine. 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

? You're raging like a drunk chihuahua when you should just be quiet, reading my awesome posts [for free, Beave. You can read my posts for free! WHAT A BARGAIN!]. 

Yes, there was martial law, even if it was just our cops who had military-style powers and not actual soldiers. And the emergencies act can be used to deploy our actual soldiers. 

1) FYI you're right, a few natives blocked train tracks for 7 weeks. That's a small % of the population of the country stopping services to all of Canada. There was a propane shortage in Quebec because of it. 

2) The damage from BLM included thousands of injured police officers, a couple dozen dead people, and city blocks that have yet to be rebuilt. How do you measure that in $? But FYI, the damage from BLM was in the billions. The blockades did far less damage. Yes, trade with the US was down 25% for a week, but compare that with the tens of thousands of Canadians lost their jobs (100% of their income, not just 25%) indefinitely. Don't you care about them? Our snotty bitch PM froze the bank accounts of Canadians who did nothing. Compare that with the VP of the US who was bailing criminals out of jail. 

Your head is so far up your ass that you can lick your own tonsils.

Your garbage posts are free and its still overpriced.
 

No as a point of fact there was not martial law. You should look up what that term means

 

1) The Convoy protesters were also a small percentage of Canada and they harmed far more Canadians than the indigenous protesters did temporarily keeping a few Quebecers from their propane. Considering that the righ wanted to hang those indigenous protesters high its the height of hypocrisy that they claim to have the right to hold the entire country hostage indefinitely for their fringe issue. 
 

2) While there were fewer individuals injured n the Convoy protests the damage to the country was the same. All over an issue that 80% of Canadians disagree with their them on        The convoy protests put EVEN MORE Canadians out of work and hobbled entire industries  They didn’t freeze the accounts of people “who did nothing” they froze the accounts of those financomg an occupation of the nation’s capital that was allowed to go on foe nearly 4 weeks, in addition to the border blockades and the increasingly dangerous terrorists who were planning a shootout with RCMP