Virtuous Canada will not allow more coal mines

[Yzermandius19]

31 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What are you basing these statements on?

 

Please elaborate. 

https://news.mongabay.com/2018/08/earth-has-more-trees-now-than-35-years-ago/

the earth has more trees now because fossil fuels are more efficient than burning wood

this has saved a lot of trees over the centuries and resulted in less polluted cities with more greenery

I know you were told that fossil fuels are bad for the environment

but that is totally ahistorical

wood used to be the main fuel source

which is bad for trees and bad for air quality where they are burning wood en masse

coal put the first big dent into reducing deforestation, followed by oil

not only is oil good for saving trees, but it increases the production of arable land

increasing the earth's carry capacity, far beyond a mere 2 billion

 

if the earth could only sustain 1.8 billion people

then the population would only be 1.8 billion

the earth's carry capacity hasn't been that low for almost 100 years

that stat is false on the face of it

Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

https://news.mongabay.com/2018/08/earth-has-more-trees-now-than-35-years-ago/

if the earth could only sustain 1.8 billion people, then the population would only be 1.8 billion

the earth's carry capacity hasn't been that low for almost 100 years

that stat is false on the face of it

They said the earth can only sustain 1.5 billion people over the long term. 

For example, we have finite petroleum reserves. Petroleum is no longer being created. The same goes for coal. When they are used up, that's it. No more steel or electricity. 

 

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

They said the earth can only sustain 1.5 billion people over the long term. 

For example, we have finite petroleum reserves. Petroleum is no longer being created. The same goes for coal. When they are used up, that's it. No more steel or electricity. 

they don't know how much oil or coal we have

they keep finding more constantly

and all the claims that we will run out of these fuel sources in the near future

keep getting proved wrong time and time again

but you keep falling for the ever moving goalposts

not only that but as technology increases you can use less oil and coal

and get more energy produced

leading to less waste of those resources

 

their calculations do not factor these things in

they just assume that no more resources will ever be found

and the technology that exploits them will never improve

population increases relative to the current rate of resource consumption

are the only factors they account for

just like Malthus did

which was why he was wrong

and why Quarks and Quirks are also wrong

they miss the forest for the trees

Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

deforestation is not a problem except in specific areas

in general more trees are growing than are being cut down

the more Co2, the more trees

Between 2002 and 2020 the Earth lost 16% of its tree cover and over 6% of its forested area.

Tropical forests account for only 7% of dry land but hold about 50% of all the species on earth. NASA

Edited June 14, 2021 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Between 2002 and 2020 the Earth lost 16% of its tree cover and over 6% of its forested area.

tree cover loss on the tropics was outweighed by tree cover gain in subtropical, temperate, boreal, and polar regions

[Queenmandy85]

19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Malthus did

which was why he was wrong

Malthus was not wrong. His hypothesis was correct. The migration to the New World delayed things but the end result will be the same. 

Coal and oil were formed over 250 million years ago. No fossil fuels were formed after the end of the Cenozoic age. They will run out. 

20 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

all the claims that we will run out of these fuel sources in the near future

keep getting proved wrong time and time again

How has that been proved wrong?  We have only been using petroleum for about a century and a half. It will run out and what will people do then? 

You seem to be glossing over global warming. 

25 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

why quarks and quirks are wrong

Did you listen to the episode?

[Yzermandius19]

17 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Malthus was not wrong. His hypothesis was correct. The migration to the New World delayed things but the end result will be the same. 

Coal and oil were formed over 250 million years ago. No fossil fuels were formed after the end of the Cenozoic age. They will run out. 

How has that been proved wrong?  We have only been using petroleum for about a century and a half. It will run out and what will people do then? 

You seem to be glossing over global warming. 

Did you listen to the episode?

you don't have a clue when they will run out

and those claiming they do

and that it's right around the corner

are full of shit

and have been proven to be full of shit

time and time again

assuming it will run out after only using it for such a short period

despite constantly discovering massive amounts of it

and technology to exploit those resources constantly improving

is flat out retarded

 

Malthus was wrong, he didn't foresee the industrial revolution

he completely missed how human innovation completely changes the equation

and how higher population levels which drove that innovation was a boon

not a doom which results in mass starvation

he made this mistake

because he assumed the world is a zero-sum game

where the only way to win is for someone else to lose by an equal amount

with no win-win scenarios where wealth is actually created and all sides benefit

he basically predicted the world was doomed

right before it went through the biggest boom it had ever experienced

it's hard to get more wrong than that

 

but then again, Quarks and Quirks said the earth can only sustain a 1.8 billion population

so hold their beer, Malthus

Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

So you are claiming oil and coal will last forever?

What about global warming?

The Roman civilization in the west collapsed due to climate change. It took less than a century to destroy it.

[Yzermandius19]

24 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So you are claiming oil and coal will last forever?

What about global warming?

The Roman civilization in the west collapsed due to climate change. It took less than a century to destroy it.

Rome collapsed for many reasons, climate change was a small part of it

and not the predominant reason at all

 

Rome benefitted greatly because of climate change too

when the earth got warmer, that wasn't a bad thing, it's when it got colder that Rome suffered

but that part never gets mentioned by the climate doom cult crowd who claim that global warming will doom us all

despite global warming coinciding with human prosperity every other time it occurred during recorded history

 

oil and coal will not last forever

but they aren't going to vanish tomorrow either

people have been crying "peak oil!" for decades

and haven't even been close to right

 

climate change is driven mostly by the sun, not humans

human impact on climate change, has been vastly overstated

and claims of a climate apocalypse are totally ridiculous

even more ridiculous is blaming that apocalypse on humans thriving economically

many in the climate doom cult

are really just anti-human and anti-capitalist

using the environment as cover for their vile ideologies

either consciously or subconsciously

they undercut many of the things that most benefit the environment

while looking down on those who oppose those counter-productive measures

and demonizing them as not caring about the environment

like the hypocritical religious fanatics they are

 

control of the economy and human behavior 

is actually more important to them than the environment they claim to champion

the environment is simply the rubric they use to seize that control

but they still act like sanctimonious prigs with an unearned sense of moral superiority regardless

Edited June 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Nefarious Banana]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

I'm talking about renewable resources, the ones that give us our breathable air and water suitable for drinking and agriculture. We are using them much faster than the earth is replacing them and as we do things like deforesting and destroying our carbon sinks, increasing CO2 levels and acidification of oceans we are further reducing the earth'a ability or reproduce them

More logging, more trees in BC than ever . . . . a renewable resource.  Big employer.  Put's beefsteak on the tables of many folks.  Spin-off industries of logging doing very well.  Put's sausage on their tables.  

We have coal and oil . . . . use them.  Why are they usable and available?  Use them!

[Queenmandy85]

9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

oil and coal will not last forever

but they aren't going to vanish tomorrow either

people have been crying "peak oil!" for decades

and haven't even been close to right

They prediction was 250 years in 1972. Given the new finds with counter balancing increased consumption, are you maintaining we will have economically accessible oil beyond 500 years?

 

13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

climate change is driven mostly by the sun, not humans

human impact on climate change, has been vastly overstated

and claims of a climate apocalypse are totally ridiculous

You can prove it yourself in any undergraduate lab. If you measure the energy input and compare it with the re-radiation, the level of greenhouse gases have a measurable effect. It is predictable and repeatable. We have measured the level GHG's in the atmosphere and the rise in levels reflect the change in energy re-radiation. It is grade ten science. This is not new. 

I robbed myself of an education by doing my degree in military history rather than real science. As a result, I listen to people who are smarter than me. That covers a wide range. When Stephen Hawking tells us global warming is coming and it is dangerous, I will take his word over some stranger on the internet of unknown academia qualifications.

The funny thing is, when I refer to someone who is highly educated with credibility, people say he's a liberal or a socialist. That scares me because what they are saying is the smart people are liberals and socialists. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Queenmandy85]

1 minute ago, Nefarious Banana said:

More logging, more trees in BC than ever . . . . a renewable resource.  Big employer.  Put's beefsteak on the tables of many folks.  Spin-off industries of logging doing very well.  Put's sausage on their tables.  

We have coal and oil . . . . use them.  Why are they usable and available?  Use them!

What about future generations who will need them?

 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

tree cover loss on the tropics was outweighed by tree cover gain in subtropical, temperate, boreal, and polar regions

All trees and all forests are not equal. In Canada and other northern climes, deciduous trees are dormant in the winter and take no part in the carbon cycle, Coniferous tree growth rates slow dramatically so their contribution is limited.  Same goes for the southern hemisphere. What about the 50% of the earths species which live in tropical forests, among other things a source of much of the medications used by modern medicine. It isn't a game of numbers, it's biology.

[Queenmandy85]

What is most comforting to me is the knowledge that no matter how articulate I am,...or not...my post will change nobody's mind and nobody will care. Nothing will change in the world.

[Nefarious Banana]

20 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What is most comforting to me is the knowledge that no matter how articulate I am,...or not...my post will change nobody's mind and nobody will care. Nothing will change in the world.

Your best post yet!  Thank you.  

[cougar]

On 6/12/2021 at 9:08 AM, Argus said:

Canada will not permit any new mines in order to help combat climate change. I'm quite sure all the lefties and progressives will cheer this and not have a single thought about the cost in jobs and wealth production. Even though this will not to a single thing to combat climate change.

 

Yes, I am happy this is happening (if it is really happening).

And yes, it will "to" a lot!

I want to see a moratorium on all old growth cutting in BC , Alberta and the rest of Canada !!!

we have lost most of our valuable forests already.  They regulate climate and river flows as well as hold off erosion.

It is a SHAME people have to chain themselves to logs and get arrested to protect the last remaining large trees!

Shame on Canada and shame on you, who thinks coal extraction and exports are fine just so jobs in this sector are protected.  You basically advocate for population expansion and further loss of wilderness - the land that keeps us alive!

when is it you will see a bit further than the tip of your nose?

 

[cougar]

On 6/12/2021 at 2:03 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

expecting Canada to lead the world

is going to end in disappointment

nobody cares about what Canada does

 

I do not give a rat's ass what others will think of what we do, as long as it is the right thing to do.

Do you think I care what the idiots think when they see me litter picking along the highway or cleaning up rest areas after them on my days off, when I am out to enjoy nature?????

I DO NOT.

I do think those who threw the garbage for me to pick up are nothing more than turds in human shape.  Some like to use the word "animal".  Totally wrong and unacceptable.  Animals are smart enough not to fuck up their environment and that of others. 

What we do in this country should be done, because this is the right thing to do and because we have control over it.   If others take over after us, lets hope so, it shouldn't matter.

Sick and tired of listening to morons telling me we can do nothing in this country because we are only 30 million and produce just a bit of the global emissions.

Edited June 15, 2021 by cougar

[cougar]

22 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

we don't have too many people

the current resources more than support current population levels and then some

and the population isn't going to grow much before leveling off and shrinking

there is no shortage of arable land to feed the population

there are more trees than ever in the last several hundred years

de-forestation is only happening in specific areas, not in general, in general the trend is the opposite

Where exactly do you live?  What age are you?  I am under the impression I will be chatting with a 14 year old living on the 16th floor of some high rise in Mississauga who has seen nothing different in his life.

[Yzermandius19]

13 minutes ago, cougar said:

Animals are smart enough not to fuck up their environment and that of others.

they do that all the time

what are you talking about?

human hater

Edited June 15, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, cougar said:

Where exactly do you live?  What age are you?  I am under the impression I will be chatting with a 14 year old living on the 16th floor of some high rise in Mississauga who has seen nothing different in his life.

projection is a helluva drug

[cougar]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they do that all the time

what are you talking about?

Do you see that?  And see it from space?? 

Why are you even trying to raise a point?

Edited June 15, 2021 by cougar

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, cougar said:

Do you see that?  And see it from space?? 

Why are you even try to raise a point?

someone has to post something relevant

unlike the nonsense you spew

[cougar]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

someone has to post something relevant

unlike the nonsense you spew

I remember a lady from 10 years ago.  She was as arrogant as you are.  She said "the truth will come out in court".

She didn't believe the truth will come out but it did.

There went her job and $200K/year income , basically stolen from poor children and families.

I did that to her.

I can do that to anyone who cheats and lies shamelessly.

Edited June 15, 2021 by cougar

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, cougar said:

I remember a lady from 10 years ago.  She was as arrogant as you are.  She said "the truth will come out in court".

She didn't believe the truth will come out but it did.

There went her job and $200K/year income , basically stolen from poor children and families.

I did that to her.

I can do that to anyone who cheats and lies shamelessly.

your threats don't scare me

and they open you up to being sued

speaking of arrogant

Edited June 15, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[cougar]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

your threats don't scare me

and they open you up to being sued

  Go ahead !

Let me add more material to make your suit easier

1 - ALL statement you have made so far in this thread are moronic

2. - Your user name is moronic

3.  Your avatar is moronic

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....must be a duck.