Many defenseless civilians killed in Israeli brutal attacks and Arab retaliations.

[Infidel Dog]

So what's your solution then. Hamas was voted in by the Arab Muslims calling themselves "Palestinians."

And now it's like this.

1. The Charter of Hamas says 'fight and kill the Jews."

2. Hamas fires missiles into Israel.

3. Israel has gotten good at defense and counter-attack, so that's what they do - defend with Iron Dome and counter-attack with superior but limited force.

Your solution seems to be eliminate #3. What do you expect the result of that Genius plan to be. Are you expecting Hamas to stop trying to "fight and kill the Jews?"

I think I heard you suggest the solution would be, talk. Are you under the impression that hasn't been tried? Check that out to see how that works. One side doesn't seem to want to talk. Guess which one. Spoiler: Its not the Israelis.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Also, I don't know how many Gazan fatalities were civilians and how many were Hamas fighters, and neither do you CITIZEN. Stop trying to push the feels by pretending you do.

[DogOnPorch]

33 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Which part of it you don't understand that all those women and children killed by Israel's strong army are not Hamas members or even supporting Hamas and are innocent people caught in the middle? I am also not sure their motto is kill the Jew but I do know they wish to destroy state of Israel and take what they see as their land by force.

 

Hamas was voted-into power.

[DogOnPorch]

And the PLO/Fatah is just as bad...

Leader #1: Grand Mufti...a real top Nazi. One of the instigators of the Final Solution.

Leader #2: The Mufti's Nephew: Yasser Arafat. He liked blowing-up airliners...hijacking and kidnapping, too. But simply murdering Israelis in their beds was okay in a pinch.

Leader #3: Abbas: Holocaust denier and all-round Jew hater. Claims to have be elected...but doesn't dare hold another election. Why? Hamas will win...that's why.

[Dougie93]

under international law and the laws of armed conflict, the killing of civilians is lawful so long as three caveats are met

the use force is a military necessity

the use of force is proportionate to the threat

the use of force is collaterally mitigated, in that civilians are not deliberately targeted but rather collateral

the IDF is broadly compliant with these statutes, the Palestinians are not

this makes the Palestinians the bad guys according to the rules

[DogOnPorch]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

under international law and the laws of armed conflict, the killing of civilians is lawful so long as three caveats are met

the use force is a military necessity

the use of force is proportionate to the threat

the use of force is collaterally mitigated, in that civilians are not deliberately targeted but rather collateral

the IDF is broadly compliant with these statutes, the Palestinians are not

this makes the Palestinians the bad guys according to the rules

 

I tend to think of terror groups with links to Iran and the Third Reich as bad guys by default.

[Dougie93]

25 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I tend to think of terror groups with links to Iran and the Third Reich as bad guys by default.

I tend to remain detached, compartmentalized, professional, assessing by the laws of armed conflict

when it comes to war, I don't let emotion sway me

if I have to kill a civilian to get the job done, I will, so long as the order is lawful

state sanctioned mass murder, don't make it personal

Edited May 27, 2021 by Dougie93

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I tend to remain detached, compartmentalized, professional, assessing by the laws of armed conflict

when it comes to war, I don't let emotion sway me

if I have to kill a civilian to get the job done, I will, so long as the order is lawful

 

Me emotional? Good one. Bomb the fuck out of them, I say. Then invade Gaza and remove the Arab population back to Egypt where THEY BELONG.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

Me emotional? Good one. Bomb the fuck out of them, I say. Then invade Gaza and remove the Arab population back to Egypt where THEY BELONG.

yeah, but I'm sensitive, emotional, so I gotta stay detached so I can kill

target pops up, two in the chest, one in the mouth, next target . . .

compartmentalized, nothing personal, just doing my job

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Me emotional? Good one. Bomb the fuck out of them, I say. Then invade Gaza and remove the Arab population back to Egypt where THEY BELONG.

You forgot to say Sieg Heil! because you presented the same ideology against different people though. Yeah do to others what Hitler did to you or your parents/grandparents. So if bombing the ^^^^ out of them did not kill all of them will you gas them in chambers too?

The few recent posts by the two doggies tells a lot about Israel backers and the  hate they carry against some specific groups, even defenseless women and children.

Edited May 27, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Infidel Dog]

7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Sieg Heil!.

The few recent posts by the two doggies tells a lot about Israel backers and the  hate they carry against some specific groups, even defenseless women and children.

Oh Wah...nobody wants to fantasize about having Hamas kill Jews for you so you can pretend that somehow makes you morally superior. Move on.

Edited May 27, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Oh Wah. Nobody wants to fantasize about having Hamas kill Jews for you. Stop whining. Move on.

I also condemn Hamas killings and reflected in some of my posts, however, my posts emphasizes more on Israel because the posts in this thread are very one-sided

Edited May 27, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Infidel Dog]

Over and over again you keep coming back to "those evil Jews...they only kill women and children." Or at least I'm pretty sure that's what we're meant to hear.

OK. Let's pretend you actually believe that and don't just want everybody else to believe it. What do you think should be done about it? I'm pretty sure it's not just give them a stern talking to.

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Over and over again you keep coming back to "those evil Jews...they only kill women and children." Or at least I'm pretty sure that's what we're meant to hear.

OK. Let's pretend you actually believe that and don't just want everybody else to believe it. What do you think should be done about it? I'm pretty sure it's not just give them a stern talking to.

I am calling your big lie out and call you a LIAR. I never even once even remotely used the word evil Jews. I condemned the actions of Israeli government and military as well as Hamas but never in any way even remotely insinuated that Jews are responsible for those actions. You are the one who is playing the Jew card. 

US of A is a mostly Christian country but do we blame Christians or even Americans for their crimes of American government or military in Vietnam?. No, it was US government and military.

In my view attacking defenseless civilians is wrong and inexcusable. People regardless of race and religion and nationality are equal and deserve peace and respect and most importantly hate is evil and I see a lot of that in the past few posts. Shame.

Edited May 27, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Infidel Dog]

No, I'm telling you that what I heard you implying when you kept on talking like all the fatalities Hamas was reporting being women and children then speaking of the claim like it was some sort of mass genocide instead of a claim of a couple hundred deaths by known liars that was contradicted by other sources that claim most of the fatalities were Hamas fighters.

And let's stop pretending. The conflict is Jew versus Arab. Take the religion out of it, there is no conflict. All the Arabs have to do to end this is throw their guns down (so to speak) and it's over. They can't. The verses of the sword in their sacred book won't allow it.

But what the Hell...you're the voice of reason, moderation and non-partisanship, are you? Very well..one more time then, how would you end this conflict in the middle east? Flowers and a box of candy?

[Yzermandius19]

defenseless civilians were not attacked by Israel

it's called collateral damage

Hamas on the other hand did attack defenseless civilians intentionally

yet you attack Israel more than Hamas

 

Hamas uses civilians as a human shield

that's not an Israel problem

that's a Hamas problem

blaming Israel for it is asinine

if you want less civilian casualties

focus your attention on Hamas, not Israel

 

attacking Israel for defending itself is not a pro-defenseless civilian position

that is a pro-palestinian civilian and anti-israeli civilian stance

Edited May 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

The Arabs can stop fighting anytime they want. Only good things will happen for them if they do.

If the Jews stop fighting they start dying.

So yeah...I've picked a side. I'm on the anti-genocide side when it actually would be genocide.

[CITIZEN_2015]

10 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

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And let's stop pretending. The conflict is Jew versus Arab. Take the religion out of it, there is no conflict. All the Arabs have to do to end this is throw their guns down (so to speak) and it's over. They can't. The verses of the sword in their sacred book won't allow it.

But what the Hell...you're the voice of reason, moderation and non-partisanship, are you? Very well..one more time then, how would you end this conflict in the middle east? Flowers and a box of candy?

No that is where you are wrong. The conflict is between Israel and some Arab factions like Hamas. Many Arab countries even have diplomatic relations with Israel. Most of Jews live outside of Israel and they are not at war with anyone. Most of Arabs are not at war either.

Give them their rights. Stop being so oppressive to them. End the occupation and oppression of Palestinians. Stop Israeli settlers to be so aggressive and brutal against people under occupation driving them out of their lands, destroying their homes. END THE HATE and peace will come. Life is too short to have so much hate of other mankind.

[Yzermandius19]

Hamas hates Israel and the Jews

more than Israel hates Hamas and the Palestinians

Israel is willing to make concessions and negotiate

while Hamas is not

yet citizen_2015 blames Israel for the hate and lack of peace

when the other side clearly deserves far more of the blame

total clown show

Edited May 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No that is where you are wrong. The conflict is between Israel and some Arab factions like Hamas.

And what I said was the conflict was Jew versus Arab. I didn't say all Jews versus all Arabs. 

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Many Arab countries even have diplomatic relations with Israel.

Some do. Thanks Trump. 

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Give them their rights. Give them their rights. Stop being so oppressive to them. End the occupation and oppression of Palestinians.

Which rights? What oppression? What occupation? What Palestinians? You need a history lesson. And if you think the Islamofascists behind the conflict will be satisfied with anything short of driving the Jews into the sea you haven't been listening to them.

BTW, the Arabs living in Israel do just fine. They have all the rights the Jews have.

 

Edited May 27, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

the Arabs living in Israel do just fine. They have all the rights the Jews have.

meanwhile the same is not true of Jews living in Gaza

yet Israel are the bad guys somehow and the oppression of Hamas is ignored by Citizen_2015 lulz

Edited May 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

Are there any Jews left in Gaza? I didn't think there were.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Are there any Jews left in Gaza? I didn't think there were.

Jews don't want to be oppressed by Hamas and prefer to live elsewhere, who knew?

Arabs in Israel are treated far better than Palestinians in Gaza, yet Israel takes all the flack for the poor treatment of Palestinians somehow

it's totally ridiculous

Edited May 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

I thought it was more like what happened to Avi Yemeni's family in Gaza.

They were forced out and forced to leave a thriving Greenhouse business. The video below is about more than that but it contains the story:

 

Edited May 27, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Yzermandius19]

if Israeli's caved to every Palestinian demand, there would be no peace

if Palestinians stopped attacking Israel, there would be peace

but blame Israel tho, lulz

Edited May 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19