The Trump Second Impeachment Thread

[godzilla]

50 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

She feels she'll save her political rear-end by siding with the Democrats.

Of course, you love her now...you hated her previously...as did all thieving Democrat supporters. But you love her now as she's a turn-coat...a traitor to her cause. And that's something you understand.

people keep trying to paint me the way they need to. i'm not a supporter of the Democrats. the only thing i can call myself is not an extremist. that politics should be issue based and not ideology based... or worse, some kind of cult or religion.

i don't like Niki more now then i did before. just pointing out political discussion... Niki fleeing Trump is an indication of the winds of politics.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, godzilla said:

people keep trying to paint me the way they need to. i'm not a supporter of the Democrats. the only thing i can call myself is not an extremist. that politics should be issue based and not ideology based... or worse, some kind of cult or religion.

i don't like Niki more now then i did before. just pointing out political discussion... Niki fleeing Trump is an indication of the winds of politics.

 

Nonsense...you posted this bit of news as a triumph.

[Infidel Dog]

Here's some different opinions than G's that Nikki Haley's betrayal means she's become some sort of heroic representative of the right:

Opportunist Nikki Haley betrays Trump and his supporters as she reserves her seat in The Swamp

"When Nikki Haley left her role as United States Ambassador to the United Nations and did not take another role in the White House, I smelled a rat. There seemed to be only two viable possibilities as I gamed out how it all went down. Either she was a loyal patriot who was being prepared to replace Mike Pence as the second term Vice President or she was distancing herself. I hoped for the former but suspected the latter.

She was at the top of my list of people who were likely working from within the White House to take down President Trump as the internal “resistance.” In retrospect, I do not believe she was, opting instead to simply stay out of the mix so she could reposition herself as a separate “moral” leader within the GOP. Now that impeachment is happening, she’s securing her place in The Swamp by attacking President Trump in a recent interview with POLITICO.

 

Haley is positioning herself as a leading GOP Establishment candidate for a 2024 run. It’s that simple. She is sending out the flares to Lincoln Project sycophants and RINO-loving big donors that despite her time working with President Trump, she’s not a fan. In fact, she’s never been a fan even when she worked for him. She opposed Trump during the 2016 primaries, bouncing around between candidates every time her preferred Republican nominee fell off. It was surprising that she was offered a role in the White House at all.

Conservatives on Twitter were not impressed:

[At Link}

A once-promising career for Nikki Haley evaporated today as she swore allegiance to The Swamp. Her 2024 candidacy should be short despite Republican Establishment mega-donors pushing for her. America will have better choices."

Edited February 12, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Transferring all the tweets is too much work but here's a good example:

@catturd2

 

 

Nikki Haley is the Meghan McCain of Liz Cheneys.

Edited February 12, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Petros]

10 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here's some different opinions than G's that Nikki Haley's betrayal means she's become some sort of heroic representative of the right:

Opportunist Nikki Haley betrays Trump and his supporters as she reserves her seat in The Swamp

"When Nikki Haley left her role as United States Ambassador to the United Nations and did not take another role in the White House, I smelled a rat. There seemed to be only two viable possibilities as I gamed out how it all went down. Either she was a loyal patriot who was being prepared to replace Mike Pence as the second term Vice President or she was distancing herself. I hoped for the former but suspected the latter.

She was at the top of my list of people who were likely working from within the White House to take down President Trump as the internal “resistance.” In retrospect, I do not believe she was, opting instead to simply stay out of the mix so she could reposition herself as a separate “moral” leader within the GOP. Now that impeachment is happening, she’s securing her place in The Swamp by attacking President Trump in a recent interview with POLITICO.

 

Haley is positioning herself as a leading GOP Establishment candidate for a 2024 run. It’s that simple. She is sending out the flares to Lincoln Project sycophants and RINO-loving big donors that despite her time working with President Trump, she’s not a fan. In fact, she’s never been a fan even when she worked for him. She opposed Trump during the 2016 primaries, bouncing around between candidates every time her preferred Republican nominee fell off. It was surprising that she was offered a role in the White House at all.

Conservatives on Twitter were not impressed:

[At Link}

A once-promising career for Nikki Haley evaporated today as she swore allegiance to The Swamp. Her 2024 candidacy should be short despite Republican Establishment mega-donors pushing for her. America will have better choices."

Overall, we rate NOQ Report Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that always favor the right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing and a lack of transparency regarding ownership. (D. Van Zandt 12/14/2019)

source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/noq-report/

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The NOQ Report is not credible.

[Infidel Dog]

The biased MediaBiasFactCheck says NOQ report is a right wing site. Who cares? You could have just asked. I  could have told you that.

But their and your implication that, that somehow makes their statements incorrect is leftist nonsense.

Basically this from the regressive Left:

proves nothing and once you see it for what it really is, it just looks ridiculous.

Mine and NOQ Report's claim is there are other opinions than yours and G's. Show me how that's incorrect or don't waste my time.

Edited February 12, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[DogOnPorch]

Fact Checked & That Was Debunked

Two ways to avoid the truth...lol.

Edited February 12, 2021 by DogOnPorch

[BeaverFever]

36 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

When Nikki Haley left her role as United States Ambassador to the United Nations and did not take another role in the White House, I smelled a rat.

LMAO oh please!  Trump’s unstable dumpster fire of an administration had more people coming and going than a whorehouse during fleet week!  Whenever someone got fired or resigned - which was practically every day - the Trumpsters were  always quick to say “nothing to see here! Move along, move along!”   Now this guy claims his spidey sense was tingling the whole time. This is just more made-up revisionism 

 

Yet another rat flees the sinking ship of SS TRUMP

 

 

ps photo of Trump’ boaters who can’t sail is still hilarious 

Edited February 12, 2021 by BeaverFever

[godzilla]

either she's a traitor or a rat fleeing a sinking ship... doesn't matter. if Trump is having more supporters leave than he does gain then his political capitol shrinks.

[Infidel Dog]

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11 minutes ago, godzilla said:

either she's a traitor or a rat fleeing a sinking ship... doesn't matter. if Trump is having more supporters leave than he does gain then his political capitol shrinks.

What stays "America First, MAGA" and what goes out the Republican exit door remains to be seen.

I support the idea of a Patriot Party caucus within the Republican Party challenging the old guard and if the populists eventually overwhelm the cabal of old world, Republican elite and neo-libs, so what?

As to the other side...

It may be true that groupthink overwhelms the Democratic party at the moment - so rifts seem to be more or less currently controlled - but a schizm between the Socialist left and the Corporate Globalist left controllers seems to be brewing. And I think when the conflict climaxes it will be uglier than anything happening in the Republican camp today.

[godzilla]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

the Corporate Globalist left

i'm really interested in the concept as... i question the validity of it. how can you be a corporate globalist and yet "left"?

of course, could be the usual mix up of word meanings people seem stuck on. i mean, you're either for free enterprise or not. and into trans national free enterprise or not. but none of that is socialist. so the meaning of "left" seems to mean, less government in the mixed economy and less trans national enterprise as opposed to local free enterprise. which is government intervention.

its a good understanding of the fact that politics should be issues based though.

Edited February 12, 2021 by godzilla

[BeaverFever]

'Forever Stained': Wall Street Journal Delivers Devastating Verdict On Donald Trump

The newspaper's conservative editorial board urged Republicans to remember one thing about the former president.

 

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Former President Donald Trump “won’t live down his disgraceful conduct,” the Wall Street Journaldeclared in a damning editorial on Thursday.

Trump’s legacy “will be forever stained” by the deadly violence that rocked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and “by his betrayal of his supporters in refusing to tell them the truth” about his 2020 election loss in the weeks leading up to the insurrection, said the newspaper’s conservative editorial board.

 

And “whatever the result” of the ongoing Senate impeachment trial for inciting the riot, “Republicans should remember the betrayal if Mr. Trump decides to run again in 2024,” the editorial urged.
 

The editorial recalled some of Trump’s election fraud rhetoric in the run-up to the vote and beyond. It suggested it was “difficult to think” Trump “ever envisioned what followed.”

“But talk about playing with fire,” the board added, noting how Trump for hours refused to attempt to defuse the violence, after saying he’d walk to the Capitol with his supporters, but instead watched the chaotic scenes on television at the White House.

There was “no defense” for his conduct “on Jan. 6 and before.”

Read the full Wall Street Journal editorial here.

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https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/wall-street-journal-editorial-board-donald-trump-impeachment-riot_n_60264ad1c5b6741597e12730

[godzilla]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

'Forever Stained': Wall Street Journal Delivers Devastating Verdict On Donald Trump

The newspaper's conservative editorial board urged Republicans to remember one thing about the former president.

 

•  

Former President Donald Trump “won’t live down his disgraceful conduct,” the Wall Street Journaldeclared in a damning editorial on Thursday.

Trump’s legacy “will be forever stained” by the deadly violence that rocked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and “by his betrayal of his supporters in refusing to tell them the truth” about his 2020 election loss in the weeks leading up to the insurrection, said the newspaper’s conservative editorial board.

 

And “whatever the result” of the ongoing Senate impeachment trial for inciting the riot, “Republicans should remember the betrayal if Mr. Trump decides to run again in 2024,” the editorial urged.
 

The editorial recalled some of Trump’s election fraud rhetoric in the run-up to the vote and beyond. It suggested it was “difficult to think” Trump “ever envisioned what followed.”

“But talk about playing with fire,” the board added, noting how Trump for hours refused to attempt to defuse the violence, after saying he’d walk to the Capitol with his supporters, but instead watched the chaotic scenes on television at the White House.

There was “no defense” for his conduct “on Jan. 6 and before.”

Read the full Wall Street Journal editorial here.

?

 

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/wall-street-journal-editorial-board-donald-trump-impeachment-riot_n_60264ad1c5b6741597e12730

ouch! another rat fleeing... i mean, traitor!

[Infidel Dog]

When the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall street Journal and the rest of the Corporate Media join to conspire in a leftist election coup they aren't leaving the Right. They've been left for awhile now. They're just revealing the new Corporate/Globlist left that pulls the Biden/Harris strings.

The Left's priority has always been control - the group over the individual. The Corporates and the Globalists have simply decided that's the side where their bread is buttered now. It's just that they want to be on the top layer. 

Sooner or later even the Progressive Socialists will realize that but it will be too late to say "Oops."

Edited February 12, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[godzilla]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

When the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall street Journal and the rest of the Corporate Media join to conspire in a leftist election coup they aren't leaving the Right. They've been left for awhile now. They're just revealing the new Corporate/Globlist left that pulls the Biden/Harris strings.

The Left's priority has always been control - the group over the individual. The Corporates and the Globalists have simply decided that's the side where their bread is buttered now. It's just that they want to be on the top layer. 

Sooner or later even the Progressive Socialists will realize that but it will be too late to say "Oops."

ah ok, so your definition of "left" is collectivism... say, vs individualism. whether that be government collectivism or free enterprise collectivism.

Edited February 13, 2021 by godzilla

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

i'm really interested in the concept as... i question the validity of it. how can you be a corporate globalist and yet "left"?

of course, could be the usual mix up of word meanings people seem stuck on. i mean, you're either for free enterprise or not. and into trans national free enterprise or not. but none of that is socialist. so the meaning of "left" seems to mean, less government in the mixed economy and less trans national enterprise as opposed to local free enterprise. which is government intervention.

its a good understanding of the fact that politics should be issues based though.

Corporate globalists love cheap labour. They farm their work out to sweat shops offshore and they do their best to get cheap labour, ie illegal immigrants, into the country to work for them closer to home. 

If you think about it godzilla, what group of Americans is the hardest hit by an influx of illegal immigrants? Are they competing with Bezos and Gates for jobs and houses? Nope. They don't even compete with the middle class. They actually take jobs away from the poorest of Americans and compete for houses, driving up rents.  

Gates and Bezos and other captains of industry really do love illegal immigration. They're not just pretending.

Pelosi and Schumer and the rest of the Dems are in tight with the biggest corporations in America. Bezos and Dorsey are their henchman, silencing conservatives. 

If big business and wall street loved the GOP then they wouldn't be dumping on them. 

[godzilla]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Corporate globalists love cheap labour. They farm their work out to sweat shops offshore and they do their best to get cheap labour, ie illegal immigrants, into the country to work for them closer to home. 

If you think about it godzilla, what group of Americans is the hardest hit by an influx of illegal immigrants? Are they competing with Bezos and Gates for jobs and houses? Nope. They don't even compete with the middle class. They actually take jobs away from the poorest of Americans and compete for houses, driving up rents.  

Gates and Bezos and other captains of industry really do love illegal immigration. They're not just pretending.

Pelosi and Schumer and the rest of the Dems are in tight with the biggest corporations in America. Bezos and Dorsey are their henchman, silencing conservatives. 

If big business and wall street loved the GOP then they wouldn't be dumping on them. 

i think i cleared up the interest in calling international free enterprise... "left". thats fine, whatever you want to call it.

i agree completely with your assessment of the effects of cheap labor.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

When the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall street Journal and the rest of the Corporate Media join to conspire in a leftist election coup they aren't leaving the Right. They've been left for awhile now. They're just revealing the new Corporate/Globlist left that pulls the Biden/Harris strings.

The Left's priority has always been control - the group over the individual. The Corporates and the Globalists have simply decided that's the side where their bread is buttered now. It's just that they want to be on the top layer. 

Sooner or later even the Progressive Socialists will realize that but it will be too late to say "Oops."

That’s Hilarious. But somehow in your muddled mind Trump still gets credit for the stock market?  Right ?
 

Also The Republican party and Trump in particular are ideologically opposed to regulation of corporations in general, and in particular minimum wage laws, pollution laws, worker safety laws , consumer safety laws, corporate campaign donation laws, corporate taxes of any kind, etc ad nauseum.  Literally every working hour of every Republican politician is and has been dedicated to this eternal quest to enrich corporate masters and privatize all public services for corporate profit  

 

Meanwhile the “left” supports all of those regulations and generally opposes privatizing public services for corporate profits.

 

But in the makes-no-sense Trumptard upside-down world Democrats are “corporatist” while Republicans are not.   Just because Trump has a few personal petty grudges and vendettas against certain specific corporate leaders who are more successful than him, that doesn’t make him anti-corporate. 

Edited February 13, 2021 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Corporate globalists love cheap labour. They farm their work out to sweat shops offshore and they do their best to get cheap labour, ie illegal immigrants, into the country to work for them closer to home. 

If you think about it godzilla, what group of Americans is the hardest hit by an influx of illegal immigrants? Are they competing with Bezos and Gates for jobs and houses? Nope. They don't even compete with the middle class. They actually take jobs away from the poorest of Americans and compete for houses, driving up rents.  

Gates and Bezos and other captains of industry really do love illegal immigration. They're not just pretending.

Pelosi and Schumer and the rest of the Dems are in tight with the biggest corporations in America. Bezos and Dorsey are their henchman, silencing conservatives. 

If big business and wall street loved the GOP then they wouldn't be dumping on them. 

Remind me how you feel about liberal initiatives on raising the minimum wage, mandatory paid sick days, etc? Pretty sure the right is the party of Cheap Labour. 

[Infidel Dog]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s Hilarious. But somehow in your muddled mind Trump still gets credit for the stock market?  Right ?

Of course. Trump was about helping the economic climate to skyrocket upwards through things like deregulation.

Wall street doesn't care so much about regulation so long as they can find a way to make it work for them.

You saw this in action with their response to small donors finding a way to take advantage of the big Soros level money managers shorting stocks. They shut down Joe averages ability to buy stocks through the small investors' Robin Hood dealer.

Did you honestly not hear about that or were you too busy being a smart-ass.

[Infidel Dog]

Here's another one you may have missed strutting about being snarky, somehow believing that might impress somebody.

Wall Street spent over $74 million to back Joe Biden’s run for president, topping Trump’s haul

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People in the securities and investment industry will finish the 2020 election cycle contributing over $74 million to back Joe Biden’s candidacy for president, a much larger sum than what President Donald Trump raised from Wall Street, according to new data from the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/wall-street-spends-74-million-to-support-joe-biden.html

[Infidel Dog]

Also:

Wall Street is shunning Trump. Campaign donations to Biden are five times larger

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President Trump is promising four more years of low taxes, light regulation and a laser-focus on the stock market. Yet professionals on Wall Street are shunning Trump and funneling staggering amounts of money to his opponent.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wall-street-is-shunning-trump-campaign-donations-to-biden-are-five-times-larger/ar-BB19qhnu

[Infidel Dog]

Just wondering if this Gab video will transfer over here. They say it shows flag waving trump supporters being gassed before the Capitol Building was breached:
 

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/394/138/original/5af4630bd3827b56.mp4

Guess not. Oh well...

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Of course. Trump was about helping the economic climate to skyrocket upwards through things like deregulation.

Wall street doesn't care so much about regulation so long as they can find a way to make it work for them.

You saw this in action with their response to small donors finding a way to take advantage of the big Soros level money managers shorting stocks. They shut down Joe averages ability to buy stocks through the small investors' Robin Hood dealer.

Did you honestly not hear about that or were you too busy being a smart-ass.

Apl your nonsense post tells me is that you know as little about the stock market as you do about anything else.
 

You claim Trump made Wall Street billions but Wall St is  against him because.......why?  Your blah blah GameStop doesn’t have much to do with Trump or anything else either. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Remind me how you feel about liberal initiatives on raising the minimum wage, mandatory paid sick days, etc? Pretty sure the right is the party of Cheap Labour. 

There's a sweet spot for everything. 

When my grandfather was a young man working in coal mines it was extremely hazardous to your health and didn't pay well at all. My brother-in-law worked in coal mines and made an extremely good living without ever being exposed to much danger at all. Sometimes unions pay off.

In nursing, unions basically screwed the whole country. They demanded an end volunteers which cost taxpayers dearly, then they complained that they're overworked. Everyone gets multiple sick days whether they need them or not, they compare their salary demands to those of doctors which is ridiculous, etc. 

Minimum wage laws are important, so is common sense.

The minimum wage for servers can be way less than $15/hr and they can still make boatloads of money. The minimum wage on a construction site should be way higher.

To be honest I'm a few decades removed from working around minimum wage earners, I don't even know what it is.