Michael Hardner Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: BTW protests have been largely peaceful for over a week now, So I'm not sure why you're upset. That's exactly why they're upset. The reality of having Republicans marching, peaceful marches, NASCAR banning the Confederate Flag is upsetting the false sense of reality that FOX has worked so hard to create for these past decades. They need to vent, Boges, so let them. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: You did see the media attention a 75-year-old white man who was shoved to the ground by cops got right? I can't believe you think that's even an argument of any kind. 1 hour ago, Boges said: The outrage to all these protests speak to a level of racism that I never really could have imagined. And yet you are imagining it now. 1 hour ago, Boges said: They're not taking any of your rights away, they want more accountability for police (in their interactions with whites too). And it's working. We're seeing videos that were previously hidden showing police over-reacting to black suspects released to the public now. There are hundreds of millions of police interactions with the public every year, with some of them quite violent It's hardly surprising a small number, wind up going awry. Would you like to see a few dozen videos of black people acting with extreme violence? Attacking people on the street? Shooting at police? If I show you a bunch will you then exclaim that you could hardly imagine how violent and criminal black people are? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: That's exactly why they're upset. The reality of having Republicans marching, peaceful marches, NASCAR banning the Confederate Flag is upsetting the false sense of reality that FOX has worked so hard to create for these past decades. They need to vent, Boges, so let them. That's swell...do you also support the peaceful Americans exercising their constitutional gun rights, Republican or not ? ...they need to vent too. Quote Gun sales and accompanying FBI background checks spiked last month, breaking records as the nation weathered the coronavirus pandemic and riots broke out in major cities over the death of George Floyd. During the riots, footage emerged of business owners and other civilians in several metropolitan areas protecting businesses from rioters and looters by posting outside with firearms. Black militias are guarding black owned businesses with automatic rifles. (probably semi-automatic, but some reporters don't know any better...like Yahoo!) https://sports.yahoo.com/gun-sales-spike-fbi-background-190636550.html Edited June 11, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: I'm outraged that the police kill anyone where it doesn't involve an armed suspect attacking them. No matter what the race. What if it's a six foot four, 300 lb guy trying to tear their head off? What if it's someone driving at them with a car? What if a cop is chasing a suspect in the dark, over fences and through alleys, and the suspect suddenly whirls around pointing something metallic at them (actual incident, turned out to be a cell phone)? What if you arrive on the scene after a call that there's a man with a gun and he turns and takes up a shooting stance at you, and you see what looks like a gun in his hand (turned out to be a short, L-shaped piece of pipe). "Why, I'll wait until he shoots me and then decide on the appropriate reply," Boges says. 1 hour ago, Boges said: BTW protests have been largely peaceful for over a week now, So I'm not sure why you're upset. That you think that merely demonstrates how you've fallen for the media line. They have not been peaceful. The media is simply not showing the violence. Get it through your head the media and the demonstrators are of a similar mentality. The media, however, has the luxury of deciding what video to show you in order to get you to sympathize with their side. They will avoid showing you video which detracts from that. 1 hour ago, Boges said: The Breonna Taylor case involved a no knock warrant. Her boyfriend had no reason to believe the people breaking into their home were cops, because they didn't have to identify. Oh and the suspect they were looking for was also in custody. So I hope you agree that No-Knock warrants should be banned. That was a pathetic case, and the police were in the wrong, and should no longer be police. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Argus said: I can't believe you think that's even an argument of any kind. It's a counter to the narrative that the media only cares about violence involving black people. This instance even had 45 trying to rationalize the police violence. Quote There are hundreds of millions of police interactions with the public every year, with some of them quite violent It's hardly surprising a small number, wind up going awry. Would you like to see a few dozen videos of black people acting with extreme violence? Attacking people on the street? Shooting at police? If I show you a bunch will you then exclaim that you could hardly imagine how violent and criminal black people are? And what do you think the cause of that is? Could it instances in history like this? https://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/hbo-2019/the-massacre-of-black-wall-street/3217/ It's like Black people should forget that that's how they were treated in the past and now be passive like white suburbanites that have never had a police officer violently take them down for Jaywalking. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/tulsa-police-handcuff-teenagers-jaywalking/index.html Quote
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Argus said: What if it's a six foot four, 300 lb guy trying to tear their head off? What if it's someone driving at them with a car? What if a cop is chasing a suspect in the dark, over fences and through alleys, and the suspect suddenly whirls around pointing something metallic at them (actual incident, turned out to be a cell phone)? What if you arrive on the scene after a call that there's a man with a gun and he turns and takes up a shooting stance at you, and you see what looks like a gun in his hand (turned out to be a short, L-shaped piece of pipe). "Why, I'll wait until he shoots me and then decide on the appropriate reply," Boges says. I think what bugs people is that when the police kill someone, a vast majority of the time it's swept under the rug. And the public don't end up seeing what happened. If there wasn't a video of the Floyd killing, do you really think anyone would have been fired, let alone charged? I think the crux of these protests is more police accountability. You know Police in Toronto still don't have to wear body cameras. They say it's too expensive, their budget is north of a billion dollars. Quote That you think that merely demonstrates how you've fallen for the media line. They have not been peaceful. The media is simply not showing the violence. Get it through your head the media and the demonstrators are of a similar mentality. The media, however, has the luxury of deciding what video to show you in order to get you to sympathize with their side. They will avoid showing you video which detracts from that. OK well show some instances in the past week of gross violence by the public, there have been plenty of examples of police brutalizing peaceful protestors. Quote That was a pathetic case, and the police were in the wrong, and should no longer be police. And Police shouldn't be able to break doors down and not identify themselves. Especially in a country where the constitution says you can defend your property. Unlike in much of Canada. Edited June 11, 2020 by Boges Quote
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Boges said: It's a counter to the narrative that the media only cares about violence involving black people. This instance even had 45 trying to rationalize the police violence. Right now, the media is in attack mode against police. They'll take anything they can get which shows police in a bad light. 11 minutes ago, Boges said: And what do you think the cause of that is? Could it instances in history like this? https://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/hbo-2019/the-massacre-of-black-wall-street/3217/ I bet I could go interview a thousand black people and not one would even be aware of this. So no, that's not why they're outraged. They're outraged by a false media message that police are institutionally racist against blacks (nobody else) and kills blacks in large numbers just because they're blacks and police hate them. 11 minutes ago, Boges said: It's like Black people should forget that that's how they were treated in the past and now be passive like white suburbanites that have never had a police officer violently take them down for Jaywalking. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/tulsa-police-handcuff-teenagers-jaywalking/index.html Don't know. Isn't much information. Were they told to crack down on jaywalking? I don't know how they do things in Oklahoma. Seems pretty goofy to me given it was a quiet road with no sidewalks. Was it a gang area? They might have decided to question them and used jaywalking as an excuse. Note that the guy who didn't physically struggle was not charged and was released. In all likelihood, if they had cooperated there'd have been a quick talk and then they'd have gone on their way. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Argus said: Right now, the media is in attack mode against police. They'll take anything they can get which shows police in a bad light. I bet I could go interview a thousand black people and not one would even be aware of this. So no, that's not why they're outraged. They're outraged by a false media message that police are institutionally racist against blacks (nobody else) and kills blacks in large numbers just because they're blacks and police hate them. And you could probably interview another 1,000 black people that don't even watch the news. I think there's a feeling that the police need to have their authority checked. Driving while Black is a thing black people experience. Carding is something black people have to deal with while white people don't. You have reasons for that, but it still must enrage a black person that does everything by the book. Quote Don't know. Isn't much information. Were they told to crack down on jaywalking? I don't know how they do things in Oklahoma. Seems pretty goofy to me given it was a quiet road with no sidewalks. Was it a gang area? They might have decided to question them and used jaywalking as an excuse. Note that the guy who didn't physically struggle was not charged and was released. In all likelihood, if they had cooperated there'd have been a quick talk and then they'd have gone on their way. Even if they were, it's an over-reaction by any objective standard. Any of these videos can be seen as anecdotal. There was one a few days ago where a guy led the police in a chase, clearly a crime and clearly dangerous, but he surrendered and claimed he couldn't breath, the cops kept going until he stopped breathing and died. They often just go to far and they need to be checked. More accountability, I think what this is all about. In Ontario you have an SIU that investigates all instances with a police interaction involved death. But those reports should be made public, the taxpayer is paying these people's generous salaries we have the right to know what evidence was collected. If the SIU just says "nothing to see here" in the instance of Regis Korchinski-Paquet. I can see some serious outrage, to the level of seen in the US, coming to Canada. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/regis-korchinski-paquet-toronto-1.5606704 Edited June 11, 2020 by Boges Quote
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Boges said: I think what bugs people is that when the police kill someone, a vast majority of the time it's swept under the rug. And the public don't end up seeing what happened. The public has seen tons of police killings and not cared. Want me to show you some? There are tons on the internet. Tons. Here's the killing of an unarmed white man. Justified? 18 minutes ago, Boges said: If there wasn't a video of the Floyd killing, do you really think anyone would have been fired, let alone charged? I think the crux of these protests is more police accountability. They're not tearing down statues of Sir John A Macdonald and Winston Churchill because of police accountability. 18 minutes ago, Boges said: OK well show some instances in the past week of gross violence by the public, there have been plenty of examples of police brutalizing peaceful protestors. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 Just when you think liberal politicians couldn't be any weaker, couldn't be any more spineless, we get the example of Seattle, where ANTIFA and BLM have taken over a six block police precinct after the city government ordered the police to abandon it. They're now blocking off the roads and gathering weapons to defend their 'autonomous district'. And the mayor and city council refuse to do anything about it. For the past week, Black Lives Matter and Antifa-affiliated activists have engaged in a pitched battle with Seattle police officers and National Guard soldiers in the neighborhood, with the heaviest conflict occurring at the intersection of 11th and Pike, where law enforcement had constructed a barricade to defend the Seattle Police East Precinct building. Hoping to break through the barricade, protesters attacked officers with bricks, bottles, rocks, and improvised explosive devices, sending some officers to the hospital. At the same time, activists circulated videos of the conflict and accused the police of brutality, demanding that the city cease using teargas and other anti-riot techniques. Then, in a stunning turn of events, the City of Seattle made the decision to abandon the East Precinct and surrender the neighborhood to the protesters. “This is an exercise in trust and de-escalation,” explained Chief Carmen Best. Officers and National Guardsmen emptied out the facility, boarded it up, and retreated. Immediately afterward, Black Lives Matter protesters, Antifa black shirts, and armed members of the hard-Left John Brown Gun Club seized control of the neighborhood, moved the barricades into a defensive position, and declared it the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone—even putting up a cardboard sign at the barricades declaring “you are now leaving the USA.” On the new rebel state’s first night, the atmosphere was festive and triumphant. Hooded men spray-painted the police station with slogans and anarchist symbols, renaming it the “Seattle People’s Department East Precinct.” Raz Simone, a local rapper with an AK-47 slung from his shoulder and a pistol attached to his hip, screamed, “This is war!” into a white-and-red megaphone and instructed armed paramilitaries to guard the barricades in shifts. Later in the night, Simone was filmed allegedly assaulting multiple protestors who disobeyed his orders, informing them that he was the "police" now, sparking fears that he was becoming the de facto warlord of the autonomous zone. https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Argus said: The public has seen tons of police killings and not cared. Want me to show you some? There are tons on the internet. Tons. Here's the killing of an unarmed white man. Justified? That's appalling. I've thought for a long time that Cops are largely state-sanction thugs that take their authority too seriously and Defunding the police is actually something we should be considering. They take way too much money from city coffers for what they actually do for society. I think police presence often makes situations worse because they often don't try to de-escalate. If you look at my posting record, this is not a new opinion, I've long thought police are problematic. I think where we depart on opinions is that I don't want to pretend by looking at stats and reports to know that black people's fear and hatred for police is completely unfounded. I know that's not going to convince you, but I will say that these protests aren't going to stop because Whitey says that White people get killed more than black people so you should STFU. Their concerns are warranted. And public opinion is shifting. See NASCAR banning Confederate Symbols, Drew Brees and Roger Goodell. Quote They're not tearing down statues of Sir John A Macdonald and Winston Churchill because of police accountability I like to think of myself as centrist. This is what Whitey Lefties do and thinks they're helping. Re-naming streets and tearing down statues don't fix any problems. If you dig hard enough any historic figure can be found wanting by today's standards. The big debate, this week, is Dundas Street in Ontario. Apparently it's named after a slavery sympathizer who never set foot in Canada. But it's huge street that goes from Toronto to Hamilton. We going to re-name that street and town at the end of it because of the reputation of the person it was named after? Fuck Outta Here! Though I can see why Confederate symbols have a problematic sentiment. It's a racist symbol and anyone who sees it for a level of patriotic pride is likely Racist AF. Edited June 11, 2020 by Boges Quote
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 Douglas Murray writes of the death of liberalism at the hands of an illiberal mob of woke leftist. In defence of liberalism: resisting a new era of intolerance Douglas Murray It has become fashionable in recent years to talk of the death of liberalism. But as crowds high on the octane of generational self-righteousness rampage through major cities, the evidence mounts. The growing intolerance of freedom of thought, the inability to talk across divides, the way that most of the British establishment, police included, feels the need to pledge fealty to the cause — as though all terrified of ending up on the wrong side — points to a crisis of more than confidence. It is evidence of an underlying morbidity. Readers of The Spectator have known this was coming. When this magazine first wrote about the Stepford Students, it was asked why we take this so seriously — surely the students would grow up? And they did: but they didn’t change. The virtue--signalling of large corporations — the growing legions of diversity officers and ‘implicit bias training’ — was also written off as the silliness of the corporate world. When we described the mandatory requirement in government to prove a ‘commitment to diversity’ in order to be eligible for any public appointment, it was greeted with the same dismissal. As the American journalist Andrew Sullivan (himself now seemingly muzzled, if not cancelled) put it two years ago: ‘We all live on campus now.’ What we are seeing is nothing more or less than the death of the liberal ideal. https://outline.com/e8fvpu Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Boges said: That's appalling. Why? They came after a man who had stolen from a nearby establishment, escorted him outside, and he pulled a gun. Albeit it wasn't a real gun, but they had no way of telling that. 12 minutes ago, Boges said: If you look at my posting record, this is not a new opinion, I've long thought police are problematic. I've always thought violent criminals are more problematic. 12 minutes ago, Boges said: I think where we depart on opinions is that I don't want to pretend by looking at stats and reports to know that black people's fear and hatred for police is completely unfounded. I know that's not going to convince you, but I will say that these protests aren't going to stop because Whitey says that White people get killed more than black people so you should STFU. Their concerns are warranted. How many non-criminal blacks have been killed by police? In virtually every recent instance I can think of the black people who have been killed by police were criminals and resisting the police. So if they don't want to fear police all they have to do is not break the law and not fight with police. How hard is that? You want to see a calm, gentle cop dealing with a black guy? Here's a guy, couldn't be nicer, couldn't have been more respectful, still wound up in a shooting. Shootings are sometimes unavoidable. That's the way life is. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Argus said: Why? They came after a man who had stolen from a nearby establishment, escorted him outside, and he pulled a gun. Albeit it wasn't a real gun, but they had no way of telling that. I've always thought violent criminals are more problematic. Well let's examine that. As BC2004 notes, the rate of violent crime is on a decades long downward trend. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ But Cops still kill way more people than in other countries. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/ Let's remove race from the equation. It's a cop problem. . . period. Quote How many non-criminal blacks have been killed by police? In virtually every recent instance I can think of the black people who have been killed by police were criminals and resisting the police. So if they don't want to fear police all they have to do is not break the law and not fight with police. How hard is that? Why are you asking that? Is that an assumption you're making. We have dash cam footage of Cops doing their job properly. What do they want? A cookie? It's the instances where they aren't doing it well that we should have some exposure to. Remember, in the Floyd killing, they weren't charged initially and I'm sure if there were no footage they wouldn't have even been fired. If cops have authorization to use lethal force, every interaction they have should be documented by video. Edited June 11, 2020 by Boges Quote
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Well let's examine that. As BC2004 notes, the rate of violent crime is on a decades long downward trend. That does not answer the question about why that video outraged you. 4 minutes ago, Boges said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ But Cops still kill way more people than in other countries. Yes, but people in the US are FAR, FAR more likely to be armed than in other countries. And there is no real equivalent to the American street gangs in other western countries. I mean, we have some now, taking after the Americans, but their levels of violence aren't up to what we see in Chicago and Baltimore and Los Angeles. Americans also have, for want of a better term, more attitude than other peoples towards government and those who work for them, and more likely to get their back up and refuse orders of a government representative (ie, police) 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Let's remove race from the equation. It's a cop problem. . . period. But no one is saying that. They're saying it's a race problem and it's race that has to be addressed. I agree that the problem with police is poor training and discipline, btw, and have been saying that here and elsewhere for years. Their attitude (which is trained) should be more like the British police. Mind you, the same people screaming against US police are also screaming against UK police despite their more agreeable attitude. 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Why are you asking that? Because it's a fairly obvious response to the suggestion people are right to fear the police. You don't need to fear the police unless you're a criminal and actively resisting them. There were nine unarmed black people killed by police last year as opposed to about 60,000 murdered by other black people. 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Is that an assumption you're making. No, it's coming from statistics and studies. Some of which I have already posted. 4 minutes ago, Boges said: We have dash cam footage of Cops doing their job properly. What do they want? A cookie? It's the instances where they aren't doing it well that we should have some exposure to. Okay. So should I post every video I find of a black person acting violently? I bet before long people would come to think black people are pretty awful. I won't post any videos of black people acting normally or peacefully or in a kindly way, of course. Because it's the instances where they're acting up that need exposing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Argus said: That does not answer the question about why that video outraged you. I didn't notice he pulled a gun. So I'm less outraged, but it seems they also tazed him. It initially looked like an he was executed. I withdraw my outrage. . .somewhat. Quote But no one is saying that. They're saying it's a race problem and it's race that has to be addressed. I'm saying it. And the reaction to the Buffalo assault would indicate that people are also outraged when White people are assaulted. Quote Because it's a fairly obvious response to the suggestion people are right to fear the police. You don't need to fear the police unless you're a criminal and actively resisting them. There were nine unarmed black people killed by police last year as opposed to about 60,000 murdered by other black people. The sentiment is that many non-criminal black people do fear the police. Those number don't show up in death figures. But often cops actually look for interactions with black people just to see if crime is being done. See Carding or Stop and Frisk. That would bug me to no end. And to say, well lots of black people are violent, so you deserve more scrutiny wouldn't help much. Quote Okay. So should I post every video I find of a black person acting violently? I bet before long people would come to think black people are pretty awful. I won't post any videos of black people acting normally or peacefully or in a kindly way, of course. Because it's the instances where they're acting up that need exposing. And no one would criticize the police for reacting violently to someone acting violent. It's when they act violently to someone that's not being violent that gets people upset. Edited June 11, 2020 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) And I'd like to point out that when we talk about Black violence, it's overwhelmingly gang violence involving drugs. If it upsets whitey so much then maybe they should stop doing illegal drugs and the demand may dry up. Or make those drugs legal and regulated. But it actually doesn't when a black person kills another black person to protect turf it doesn't really bother anyone. The real problem is that, for people living in poverty, a life of crime selling drugs to Whitey is more lucrative than working at Walmart. Edited June 11, 2020 by Boges Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: And I'd like to point out that when we talk about Black violence, it's overwhelmingly gang violence involving drugs. If it upsets whitey so much then maybe they should stop doing illegal drugs and the demand may dry up. Or make those drugs legal and regulated. But it actually doesn't when a black person kills another black person to protect turf it doesn't really bother anyone. The real problem is that, for people living in poverty, a life of crime selling drugs to Whitey is more lucrative than working at Walmart. Whitey? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Whitey? Would you prefer caucasian? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Would you prefer caucasian? Sure, boy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Sure, boy. I think Whitey conveys the distain at how I feel seeing White people telling Black people how they should feel about their interactions with the police. But I digress. Were you in Der Cooler? Haven't seen you in awhile, I spent some time in there recently myself. Good times. Edited June 11, 2020 by Boges Quote
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: The real problem is that, for people living in poverty, a life of crime selling drugs to Whitey is more lucrative than working at Walmart. Your claim to being a 'centrist' would probably be more believable if you didn't keep using terms like 'whitey'. Thomas Sowell and others have studied the interesting phenomenon of black American economic fortunes vs those of black immigrants and refugees who perform far, far better on every metric. It seems that the difference is that the immigrants/refugee kids have parents who live together and work together to raise their kids, that they're fairly conservative (strict) with their kids, ensure they attend school, and do their homework, and push them to go to college. Thus their incomes are 58% higher than other blacks despite having to live with the same 'systemic racism' that other blacks do. Similarly, Hispanics are generally poorer than Blacks, but statistically commit much less crime and in particular much less violence. So maybe the problem of crime isn't because of poverty or racism but to culture and attitude. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: I think Whitey conveys the distain at how I feel seeing White people telling Black people how they should feel about their interactions with the police. Would you like me to convey the disdain I feel for self-hating white liberals wrapped in guilt who are anguished about something that is none of their fault or responsibility, particularly when they know very little about it and have simply sopped up the media outrage-media overage without engaging a single brain cell? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 Just now, Argus said: Your claim to being a 'centrist' would probably be more believable if you didn't keep using terms like 'whitey'. I come off as Liberal here because there's no point debating Conservative issues here. It's mostly liberals. Quote Thomas Sowell and others have studied the interesting phenomenon of black American economic fortunes vs those of black immigrants and refugees who perform far, far better on every metric. It seems that the difference is that the immigrants/refugee kids have parents who live together and work together to raise their kids, that they're fairly conservative (strict) with their kids, ensure they attend school, and do their homework, and push them to go to college. Thus their incomes are 58% higher than other blacks despite having to live with the same 'systemic racism' that other blacks do. Similarly, Hispanics are generally poorer than Blacks, but statistically commit much less crime and in particular much less violence. So maybe the problem of crime isn't because of poverty or racism but to culture and attitude. In the US, it's culture and attitude that comes from decades of subjugation and segregation. Immigrants come here for a better life, FN communities were here from the beginning and AA communities were brought here to work for free. I think that's a cultural element that sticks with generations. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2020 Report Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: I think Whitey conveys the distain at how I feel seeing White people telling Black people how they should feel about their interactions with the police. OK, but that's what the "woke" wypipo like to do...it's makes them feel better...I guess. Getting back to the poleece...Joe Biden's fingerprints are all over the 1994 Crime Bill that led to the long trend in law enforcement growth, carding, incarcerations, and deaths. Quote Joe Biden let police groups write his crime bill. Now, his agenda has changed. As Sen. Joe Biden struggled 26 years ago to put together a massive crime bill, he relied on a man named Tom Scotto, who had become a fixture in his Capitol Hill office. Day after day, Scotto walked into Biden’s sanctum and convinced him to up the ante, asking for billions of dollars for 100,000 police officers, which in turn required a major expansion of prisons across the country. “There wasn’t one thing when he said, ‘No,’ ” Scotto recalled in an interview. Scotto, however, was not a member of Biden’s staff. He was the president of the National Association of Police Organizations, representing about 220,000 police department employees, the nation’s second-largest such group. As Scotto worked alongside Biden in writing the bill, which became law, he personified the bond that the senator from Delaware proudly maintained with the law enforcement community’s power brokers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-let-police-groups-write-his-crime-bill-now-his-agenda-has-changed/2020/06/08/82ab969e-a434-11ea-8681-7d471bf20207_story.html Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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