Indian herbologist dies after drinking Trump covid remedy

[xul]

A production manager of an Indian herbal products firm has died in Chennai after testing medication that he and his boss developed for the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus.

Chennai-based ayurvedic pharmacist dies after drinking concoction of his own preparation

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A 47-year-old pharmacist-cum-production manager of a Chennai-based Ayurvedic product company in T.Nagar died after drinking a chemical preparation he reportedly formulated for tackling the Coronavirus. The managing director of the company, who is an ophthamologist by qualification, was hospitalised after he fainted soon after he ingested the chemical component.

A colleague of the deceased manager told media that he was inspired by President Trump's speech to make the drug which killed him.

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N.S.Vasan, designer-cum-media manager of the company said, “Due to the lockdown, Sivanesan stayed in the city and one day told us he heard of some medicine from U.S. President Donald Trump’s recent speech for curing Coronavirus. He said it would bring more immunity and help to prevent COVID-19. Deciding to test the effect of the medicine, he went to Parry’s Corner and bought the powder.” He added that Sivanesan must have taken a heavy dosage of the ‘drug’ and he was killed instantly.

So, it is true that Trump lies, people dies....

[Moonlight Graham]

Darwinism in action.

[bush_cheney2004]

It is also true that when China lied, thousands died.

[Tdot]

6 hours ago, xul said:

A production manager of an Indian herbal products firm has died in Chennai after testing medication that he and his boss developed for the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus.

Chennai-based ayurvedic pharmacist dies after drinking concoction of his own preparation

A colleague of the deceased manager told media that he was inspired by President Trump's speech to make the drug which killed him.

So, it is true that Trump lies, people dies....

You are a Dem. Which means you knew ahead of time, that this was the dumbest most-deceitful thread ever. Here, let us count the ways:

• President Trump never told any humans to use herbs, Trump never told any one to make their own concoctions. He only promoted the hydroxychloroquine prescription drug.
• This herbalist deals in herbs and does not make pharmaceutical medicine, therefore
• This herbalist needed a physicians' prescription, for hydroxychloroquine, and not trying his own concoctions. 
• Even if the herbalist successfully made the brew, correctly, he still needed to ensure he had no preexisting herbs nor preexisting Pharma in his system which will conflict with the unauthorized concoction he made.

You are a Dem so it is expected that you would, foolishly, create this thread without first thinking through the lack of reasonability within your flawed foundation here.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Tdot

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I thought this fake news was buried many days ago. Apparently not. 

[xul]

22 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It is also true that when China lied, thousands died.

OK. 

China lied, 4k Chinese died;

Trump lies, 81k American dies;

Trump will continue lying, more American will die....

So US still #1

[VIDEO] Coronavirus Spread Timeline

Dr. Fauci: Mr. President, please slow down. This isn't a race of Olympic games.

The President: I'm Trump, I just can't stop winning....

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, xul said:

OK. 

China lied, 4k Chinese died;

 

 

Not even China believes that number.

It is called Wuhan Virus for a reason.

Edited May 12, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[xul]

18 hours ago, Tdot said:

• President Trump never told any humans to use herbs,

If you knew the history of quinine, you should know it had everything to do with herbs.

And is there anything in my post contradicts with the rest part of your post?

[xul]

21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not even China believes that number.

It is called Wuhan Virus for a reason.

This is the problem of today's USA. Most of your people just even haven't courage to admit that you have lost a fight. How on earth could you improve  your system to win a battle or a war?

[Tdot]

13 minutes ago, xul said:

If you knew the history of quinine, you should know it had everything to do with herbs.

And is there anything in my post contradicts with the rest part of your post?

If you knew the history of quinine you should know that all forms of it are banned here in the USA, except Qualaquin, and even then you want to use a doctor's caution for that form of quinine. Which makes even more, bizarre, that you would blame President Trump for someone making some ill-advised concoction which was nothing like what Trump advised to Americans. tsk tsk. This is why deceitful Dems should never, ever be allowed to win an election ---because then you're going to openly prey on your own voters!

 

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, xul said:

This is the problem of today's USA. Most of your people just even haven't courage to admit that you have lost a fight. How on earth could you improve  your system to win a battle or a war?

 

China still chasing USA....run faster.

[xul]

7 minutes ago, Tdot said:

If you knew the history of quinine you should know that all forms of it are banned here in the USA, except Qualaquin, and even then you want to use a doctor's caution for that form of quinine. Which makes even more, bizarre, that you would blame President Trump for someone making some ill-advised concoction which was nothing like what Trump advised to Americans. tsk tsk. This is why deceitful Dems should never, ever be allowed to win an election ---because then you're going to openly prey on your own voters!

 

Maybe the Indian's thought was just like Trump's: We don't have time to test it on guinea pigs first.... 

 

[xul]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

China still chasing USA....run faster.

Yeah. We all have seen it in the video:

President Xi: President Trump, you are too fast.....I even can't keep up with you......I give up. I'm out.....You just keep going. Good luck..... 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, xul said:

Yeah. We all have seen it in the video:

President Xi: President Trump, you are too fast.....I even can't keep up with you......I give up. I'm out.....You just keep going. Good luck..... 

 

China cannot control even tiny Taiwan....or much larger India.

 

 

[Tdot]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

China cannot control even tiny Taiwan....or much larger India.

 

 

And now you can add in all other disgruntled countries, chomping at the bit, every since Trump's Trade War caused those regimes to reflect on how China has likely fleeced them in Trade & Cyberattacks.

As soon as the Wuhan Virus hit, I said it was intentional via China anger at the Trump trade war ---plus even worse, the domino effect within other China trade partners observing the trade war with a suspicious eye @ China.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Tdot

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Tdot said:

And now you can add in all other disgruntled countries, chomping at the bit, every since Trump's China Trade War caused those regimes to reflect on how China has fleeced them in Trade & Cyberattacks.

 

Yes...it has only gotten worse for China:

 

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SEOUL -- South Korean President Moon Jae-in, already hard-pressed to prevent the spread of deadly coronavirus in the country, is facing another kind of outbreak -- a rise in anti-Chinese sentiment among the terrified South Korean populace. 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Hate-China-virus-puts-South-Korea-s-Moon-under-pressure

 

[xul]

On 5/12/2020 at 12:06 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

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SEOUL -- South Korean President Moon Jae-in, already hard-pressed to prevent the spread of deadly coronavirus in the country, is facing another kind of outbreak -- a rise in anti-Chinese sentiment among the terrified South Korean populace. 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Hate-China-virus-puts-South-Korea-s-Moon-under-pressure

 

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SOTARO SUZUKI, Nikkei staff writerFebruary 10, 2020 15:16 JST

3 months old "news" on China-South Korea relationship from a Japanese media? 

You don't know Japan hates warm relations between Seoul and Beijing? (I think it hates warm relationship between Seoul and Washington either....)

It seems like this one is a bit newer than your one....LOL

 

 

And why not try the latest:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-south-korea-move-to-revive-business-travel-between-them-11588168284

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HONG KONG—South Korea says it has agreed with China to start facilitating some business travel between the two Asian neighbors, in Beijing’s first formal bilateral program to ease border controls and help revive economic activity stalled by the coronavirus pandemic.

Under a “fast-track” immigration arrangement starting May 1, South Korean business personnel can travel to seven provinces and three major cities in China—Shanghai, Tianjin and Chongqing—after passing through health-screening and quarantine procedures, the South...

May 10, at Incheon International Airport Chinese ambassador to SK saw off the first group of 215 Korean visitors to China via the fast-track. These visitors are Samsung employees and will work for a Samsung project in Tianjin City. 

 

[Rue]

On 5/11/2020 at 11:09 PM, xul said:

If you knew the history of quinine, you should know it had everything to do with herbs.

And is there anything in my post contradicts with the rest part of your post?

Yes your original thread starter completely contradicts what you said:

 

On 5/11/2020 at 12:10 AM, xul said:

A production manager of an Indian herbal products firm has died in Chennai after testing medication that he and his boss developed for the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus.

Chennai-based ayurvedic pharmacist dies after drinking concoction of his own preparation

A colleague of the deceased manager told media that he was inspired by President Trump's speech to make the drug which killed him.

So, it is true that Trump lies, people dies....

Your thread starter makes no sense.

The above thread would ask us to believe Trump pronounced a formula to cure  covid 19 and someone simply took the formula and died. Your entire thread's contention is based on these words from an article you cited:

 “Due to the lockdown, Sivanesan stayed in the city and one day told us he heard of some medicine from U.S. President Donald Trump’s recent speech for curing Coronavirus. He said it would bring more immunity and help to prevent COVID-19. Deciding to test the effect of the medicine, he went to Parry’s Corner and bought the powder.” He added that Sivanesan must have taken a heavy dosage of the ‘drug’ and he was killed instantly.

Mr. Vasan added: “All our products are ayurvedic. We used to test only herbal products. This was a chemical product that Sivanesan was testing though, and possibly for the first time ever.”

 

Did you even read it? 

The article presents second hand evidence that can not be verified.

It asks us to believe that the source reporting it heard what it heard with no proof  as to what it heard-unverified heresay. 

So with zero proof we should just assume from an unverified second hand report that the individual in question  heard and I quote about.. "some medicine ".  Let us repeat that "some medicine".  How much more ambiguous can one get and you want people to assume "some medicine" is the specific formula Trump stated was the cure another relied on to take and die from.

 Interestingly there is no reference to what Trump actually said. Why not? Why did they not produce his words for this article? Why did they not provide the words they accused Trump of saying? Why haven't you?

Go on XUL produce the exact words Trump said. Provide the words where he provided any absolute statement let alone a specific formula for  a cure for COVID because you claim this article establishes this and so have you...so where are these words?.

You have no words from Trump because he never stated any medication or any formula "would " cure covid and you know that. 

Trump never provided a cure formula for anyone to take.

Next the very article contradicts you contention this individual simply obeyed and followed what Trump said. In fact it shows the individual knew there was NO guarantee and that is why he was testing it.

If this individual though it was a guaranteed cure, he would not have tested it.

In fact he did so precisely  because he was uncertain of its effects. That testing and uncertainty and the fainting of someone he tested it on according to the article establishes :

1-he knew what he was doing was with risk and uncertain;

2-he then proved to himself he knew what he was doing was dangerous;

3-the individual was intentionally liable for his own death because upon knowing it caused someone to pass out, he increased the dosage even higher.

You have in fact established this individual not only was aware of a risk to life but increased that risk which means even if he was acting on what he thought he might have heard he knew what he heard was uncertain and risky and could cause harm.

Then you ask readers to point out the contradiction in what you presented? Really?

Go on please provide Trump's statement of a cure for covid 19 for all to see.

 Xul your government the one you blindly defend on this forum  is responsible for failing to regulate wet markets. They have been serving as incubators for viruses for centuries if not thousands of years.  They have failed their people and exposed them to unnecessary death by not cleaning up the markets. They endanger the world by permitting numerous viruses they know come from dirty markets to spread across the world and they stockpiled medical products to sell making profit from their inside repressed knowledge of the virus.

You defend a government that has committed crimes against humanity and you try detract from that culpability by blaming Trump with this false accusation.

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

Let us succinctly summarize now that XUL seems to have gone back to the embassy.

 

         +      +  = filthy wet markets serving as incubators for contagious viruses

This has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with Chinese wet markets and their sanitation practices.

 

[Rue]

For further clarification, bats in image 1, cats in photo 2, dogs and rats in photo 3, and then more bats in photo 4 being touched by hand just to make it clear. 

Bats in North America eat mosquitoes. Do not harm them. Just do not touch them. Like any wild mammal they have fleas, ticks, parasites and carry viruses.  They are ugly but harmless.

China and other nations eat bat, rat, cat, horse, mice, any thing that has flesh and blood.

They export their fruit and vegetables grown with human excrement fertilizer and they urinate on their produce thinking it's a disinfectant.

It is a basic rule of nature not to eat anything that has a digestive system that can digest meat or lives in unsanitary conditions in it's natural habitat.

Technically rats in say rural Cambodia that only eat vegetation are full of protein. What you see in the picture are city sewer rats being sold as food. It's not racist to challenge such practices. I will. Blaming Trump for it is nutz.

By the way, rat is served in Russia in Moscow as acdelicacy. Moscow eats its river rats. They also see sturgeon which are bottom feeding garbage fish as a delicacy, especially their eggs.

Hygiene conditions associated with the handling of food have created numerous virus outbreaks in China its governments ignore regulating  wet markets..why?

Are they afraid their food inspectors would accept bribes?  Do they think the ceating practices are so engrained in culture they can not be changed? Is the real issue China won't admit isctyat it does if have sufficient food to eat so its people will eat anything they can find out of necessity?

China has a collective fear of not having food to eat. This has repeated in its history for thousands of years. During WW2 therecwas extreme food shortage. During the great revolution of Mao Tse Tung  up to 20 million starved to death. Its people are hungry. If it moves they eat it.

Where is XUL to discuss such issues candidly and frankly and address his government's failures? 

The Chinese ambassador to Israel died today of natural causes says the media. Excuse me if these days anything to do with China draws questions.

 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Rue

[xul]

On 5/16/2020 at 9:24 PM, Rue said:

Let us succinctly summarize now that XUL seems to have gone back to the embassy.

 

         +      +  = filthy wet markets serving as incubators for contagious viruses

This has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with Chinese wet markets and their sanitation practices.

 

 

Why couldn't you stop to disgrace yourself by stopping to lie here? Or may be you are just a victim (like those HK teenager black shirt mobs) of those HK /Taiwan separatist or so-called pro-democracy media's fake news and anti-China propaganda?

These photos which you posted here come from a Bloomberg report:

Bloomberg Indonesia's 'Scariest Market' Takes Bat Off Menu Over Virus Fear

It has nothing to do with China. The market is in Indonesia.

This is why those so-called Chinese pro-democracy political dissidents are not popular among common Chinese people. It has less things to do with CCP's brainwash but has many things  to do with these dissidents' ways of trying to brainwash Chinese people. If someone always uses such kinds of bullshit trying to brainwash you, how could you trust him and follow him for a revolution or uprising? 

 

There are bat lovers and weirdos everywhere, not only in China. Why should only China or Chinese to be blamed? 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2020 by xul

[Tdot]

On May 11, 2020 at 8:41 PM, xul said:

Maybe the Indian's thought was just like Trump's: We don't have time to test it on guinea pigs first.... 

 

This is extremely false, since the drug Trump promoted has been getting used on humans for many decades now. Malaria. Sounds familiar? 

And keep in mind, you still didn't address proof that this thread needs to be closed down and deleted. As I said before, You are like a Dem who supports China. Which means you knew ahead of time, that this was the weirdest most-deceitful thread ever. Here, let us again count the ways:

• President Trump never told any humans to use herbs, Trump never told any one to make their own concoctions. He only promoted the hydroxychloroquine prescription drug.
• This herbalist deals in herbs and does not make pharmaceutical medicine, therefore
• This herbalist needed a physicians' prescription, for hydroxychloroquine, and not trying his own concoctions. 
• Even if the herbalist successfully made the brew, correctly, he still needed to ensure he had no preexisting herbs nor preexisting Pharma in his system which will conflict with the unauthorized concoction he made.

You basicaly bragged about not fairly thinking through the lack of reasonableness within your flawed foundation here.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Tdot

[xul]

This is the so-called prove that Chinese eat bat soup:

 

But if you read this BBC article:

武漢肺炎：隨疫情擴散全球的五大假新聞

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但這個片段其實不是在武漢拍攝，而是中國著名旅遊節目主持汪夢雲2016年在西太平洋島國帕勞拍攝的旅遊節目。新型冠狀病毒疫情爆發後， 一些人把舊片段翻出來，重新上傳到網絡。

汪夢雲在片段再次被上傳之後道歉，解釋她當時只是想向觀眾解釋帕勞人的生活習慣，並不知道蝙蝠可能會散佈病毒。

Translation:

But the video clip wasn't shot in Wuhan. The lady in the video is Wang Mengyun, the host of a popular tourism channel on Chinese social media when she toured in Palau. After the coronavirus breakout, some people find the old video and reload it on internet.

Wang apologized for the video,  saying she just wanted to show her audience the cultural of Palau people, not knowing bat might carry virus then.

If you hear the misleading English dubbing of the video and speculate what kind of people added it, you may understand why most Chinese from mainland think CCP‘s reeducation camps may be the best place to save those HK and TW separatists'.....IQ. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by xul

[xul]

I wonder which doctor would willingly prescribe hydroxychloroquine daily for President of the United States and "many many front line workers" .

Dr. Theodor Meroll or Dr. Donald Trump himself?

 

 

So why just blame the poor Indian? President of the US walked into doctor's office and order him to prescribe hydroxychloroquine for him. In India, hydroxychloroquine probably isn't a prescription drug since the Indian could buy it himself from a drug store. So he prescribed the drug himself.

 

Edited May 18, 2020 by xul

[Rue]

On 5/18/2020 at 10:26 AM, xul said:

 

Why couldn't you stop to disgrace yourself by stopping to lie here? Or may be you are just a victim (like those HK teenager black shirt mobs) of those HK /Taiwan separatist or so-called pro-democracy media's fake news and anti-China propaganda?

These photos which you posted here come from a Bloomberg report:

Bloomberg Indonesia's 'Scariest Market' Takes Bat Off Menu Over Virus Fear

It has nothing to do with China. The market is in Indonesia.

This is why those so-called Chinese pro-democracy political dissidents are not popular among common Chinese people. It has less things to do with CCP's brainwash but has many things  to do with these dissidents' ways of trying to brainwash Chinese people. If someone always uses such kinds of bullshit trying to brainwash you, how could you trust him and follow him for a revolution or uprising? 

 

There are bat lovers and weirdos everywhere, not only in China. Why should only China or Chinese to be blamed? 

 

 

Bullshit and an out and out lie. Those are pictures from tourists in China. Prove them false show your proof. The attempt to deflect by blaming people in Hong Kong or Indonesian wet markets is a joke. 

You are full of accusations without a shred of proof. Where are the words from Trump?  Where are they? 

Go on, Prove the virus came from Indonesian wet markets.  Explain what the  phack Covid 19 has to do with Hong Kong.

The pictures you show are not the trade  markets in the pictures I showed.

You deliberately misrepresent photos from Chinese wet markers  I showed as being from Indonesia using a citation from an article that has nothing to do with Chinese wet market photos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by Rue