Foreign interference in Canadian politics

[Argus]

Quite an interesting read. A summation of the investigation by Viviane Krause into the tens of millions of dollars which has been funnelled into Canada with the aim of 'land locking' the oil sands. That money has not only gone into organizing (bribing) native bands but influencing politics in BC and Ottawa, where many of the organizations leaders now work for Justin Trudeau and his ministers.

But the American anti-oilsands funding effort didn’t stop at encouraging opposition to oil pipelines. The Victoria-based Dogwood Initiative received millions of dollars from Tides Canada to run get-out-the-vote campaigns in the 2017 B.C. provincial election, including deploying a throng of campaign workers in the riding of Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver. After his election, the B.C. government would be in the hands of an NDP/Green alliance bent on fighting the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

Money was also funnelled to campaign activists working to help the Liberals win the 2015 election. Vancouver-based Leadnow received directly and through the B.C.-based Sisu Institute more than $1 million from Tides Canada towards the objective of defeating then prime minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government, which supported expanding the oil and gas industry. Leadnow claims its campaigners helped defeat Conservative candidates in 25 ridings.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/gwyn-morgan-talk-about-collusion-how-foreign-backed-anti-oil-activists-infiltrated-canadas-government

[QuebecOverCanada]

What I'm going to write is very politically incorrect.

But when Putin took back official power in 2012 after a break with Medvedev who had the official status (but was just a puppet of the Putin's regime), one of the first thing he did to lower dissent and bring social order after the big protests against him in Moscow and St Petersburg was to ban NGOs, especially those who were American funded from the country. The reasons the regime stated to ban them was because the NGOs were actually a tool of propaganda from foreign agents. 

At first, we may have thought that it was all just paranoia, and just a tyrant trying to get a grip on its population by repressing dissent, which it was partly.

But the official reasons given by Putin at that time were right.

NGOs, especially the environmental ones, are ironically funded by the governments, including the federal government of the US and corporations that are close to the lobbies that pressure Washington D.C. and its deep state.

It's no surprise to see that these NGOs, but also other lobbies that are 'environmentally driven' are in fact foreign agents who cash in a lot of money to create dissent in our society about projects that emit CO2, especially the projects of oil exploitation, that are very lucrative.

How could Suzuki for example have 2 or 3 huge domains for himself? Wasn't he an environmentalist driven by principles? Shouldn't he be practicing what he's preaching, since the 'environmental catastrophes' caused by 'global warming' would be imminent according to him and all his subordinates?

I think the RCMP should investigate thoroughly the NGOs and all environmental activist groups and convict those who have a link with either a foreign oil company or receive funding from a government. And I mean it. Put to jail the foreign agents, and ban activists who are proven to be dissenters. 

It's our national interests who are at stake and it should be mandatory for the foreign groups to be investigated thoroughly to see if their pretense is legitimate, or if they have other goals in mind.

[Argus]

I've said before that we need to ban the money that's been coming into Canada to influence the Muslim community here, especially the money coming from Saudi Arabia. I feel exactly the same about this money, whose source we can only guess at. For all we know US oil companies are laundering money through the Tides Foundation to handcuff Canadian producers and continue to benefit from the super low prices they pay us. We need to stop all money that's coming in for activism against the government and laws here. And especially money that winds up going to influence elections.

[-TSS-]

Why would anyone want to interfere in the Canadian elections? And yes, I know, Finnish elections are even less important but still.

[egghead]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Why would anyone want to interfere in the Canadian elections? And yes, I know, Finnish elections are even less important but still.

Why not? Did you read the other posts?

 

5 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

What I'm going to write is very politically incorrect.

..........

When the pipeline was a hot topic, few radio phone-ins already called out few of the tree huggers organizations were US funded, similar to "The Green Inferno." .  US wants cheap oil 

[bush_cheney2004]

When the provinces wanted foreign direct investment for bitumen, gas, and offshore projects, they were happy to take/get U.S. and other foreign money...still are.   

Calgary is just Houston North when it comes to oil and pipelines.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

When the provinces wanted foreign direct investment for bitumen, gas, and offshore projects, they were happy to take/get U.S. and other foreign money...still are.   

Calgary is just Houston North when it comes to oil and pipelines.

Yeah, there is a major difference between investment money and money that comes in under the table to pay for agitators, demonstrators and activists to disrupt the economy and affect elections.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yeah, there is a major difference between investment money and money that comes in under the table to pay for agitators, demonstrators and activists to disrupt the economy and affect elections.

 

Sometimes yes...sometimes no.

The Koch brothers have been the bogey men for such things in Canada for decades.

Canada still takes the money.

[Argus]

29 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sometimes yes...sometimes no.

The Koch brothers have been the bogey men for such things in Canada for decades.

Canada still takes the money.

And we should not be doing so.

[John Otis]

15 hours ago, Argus said:

Quite an interesting read. A summation of the investigation by Viviane Krause into the tens of millions of dollars which has been funnelled into Canada with the aim of 'land locking' the oil sands. That money has not only gone into organizing (bribing) native bands but influencing politics in BC and Ottawa, where many of the organizations leaders now work for Justin Trudeau and his ministers.

But the American anti-oilsands funding effort didn’t stop at encouraging opposition to oil pipelines. The Victoria-based Dogwood Initiative received millions of dollars from Tides Canada to run get-out-the-vote campaigns in the 2017 B.C. provincial election, including deploying a throng of campaign workers in the riding of Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver. After his election, the B.C. government would be in the hands of an NDP/Green alliance bent on fighting the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

Money was also funnelled to campaign activists working to help the Liberals win the 2015 election. Vancouver-based Leadnow received directly and through the B.C.-based Sisu Institute more than $1 million from Tides Canada towards the objective of defeating then prime minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government, which supported expanding the oil and gas industry. Leadnow claims its campaigners helped defeat Conservative candidates in 25 ridings.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/gwyn-morgan-talk-about-collusion-how-foreign-backed-anti-oil-activists-infiltrated-canadas-government

Is this one of those "America is the source of all our problems" thread?

 

If so, why doesn't Canada destroy America so that the source of all your problems will be gone?

 

I didn't read the entire thing because I got bored.

[Rue]

3 hours ago, John Otis said:

Is this one of those "America is the source of all our problems" thread?

 

If so, why doesn't Canada destroy America so that the source of all your problems will be gone?

 

I didn't read the entire thing because I got bored.

No to the first question so your second makes no sense and even if someone could answer yes to the first it still would make no sense.

The problem with not reading something and  then admitting  you are talking about the thing you did not read is that you have admitted you are ignorant and it shows. You might want to read the article before you comment on it. The problem is not America, just your admitted ignorance. Then again you are in good company on this forum. We have a lot of forum members who like you openly state they don't read something they comment on. I am not sure why you celebrate your ignorance or short attention span or both. The article did not blame Americans or America. By the way America includes Canada and Mexico not to mention South America so if I were you I would use the word United States. I appreciate if you are from the US referring to yourself as American may have confused you. By the way its not a World Series. Its just a series of professional North American baseball teams playing.  Once I am at it, New Mexico, New York, New Jersey and New Hampshire are not that new. North Carolina is also technically South in the US and the US Virgin Islands are not virgins.

 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Rue

[Yzermandius19]

If foreigners want to use their speech to influence Canadian elections, they have every right to do so. Just because they are pushing a message that you might not approve of doesn't mean they should be banned from doing so.

Free speech haters obviously disagree, but they would disagree now wouldn't they?

Edited March 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Argus]

6 hours ago, John Otis said:

Is this one of those "America is the source of all our problems" thread?

No, and that's a moronic question.

6 hours ago, John Otis said:

If so, why doesn't Canada destroy America so that the source of all your problems will be gone?

And that's a moronic suggestion.

6 hours ago, John Otis said:

I didn't read the entire thing because I got bored.

My apologies. I'll try to confine future posts to one syllable words in crayon.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

If foreigners want to use their speech to influence Canadian elections, they have every right to do so. Just because they are pushing a message that you might not approve of doesn't mean they should be banned from doing so.

Foreigners in fact have NO rights in Canada. Nor do they have the right to funnel money to Canadian groups to influence elections.

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Free speech haters obviously disagree, but they would disagree now wouldn't they?

You might be content that your government is controlled by foreigners, but some of us in Canada find that notion unpleasant.

[Yzermandius19]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Foreigners in fact have NO rights in Canada. Nor do they have the right to funnel money to Canadian groups to influence elections.

You might be content that your government is controlled by foreigners, but some of us in Canada find that notion unpleasant.

You might be content with no free speech, but some us in Canada find that notion to be more unpleasant than "foreign influence". If a group wants to push a message you don't agree with, and they are funded with foreign money, and use that to promote speech that you don't like,  too bad, free speech is more important than your feelz. Attacking the free speech of people who you don't agree with, just because some foreigners give them money, is really stupid.

Edited March 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You might be content with no free speech, but some us in Canada find that notion to be more unpleasant than "foreign influence". If a group wants to push a message you don't agree with, and they are funded with foreign money, and use that to promote speech that you don't like,  too bad, free speech is more important than your feelz. Attacking the free speech of people who you don't agree with, just because some foreigners give them money, is really stupid.

No, what's really stupid is the idea that we should let foreign actors fund aggressive anti-government activities, anti-Canadian activities, and other actions that that harm Canada.

Tell you what. I'm okay with them saying whatever they want. But if they  use foreign money for their activities they can say it from prison.

Oh, and the foreigners funneling the money in get an international warrant out for them too.

 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

No, what's really stupid is the idea that we should let foreign actors fund aggressive anti-government activities, anti-Canadian activities, and other actions that that harm Canada.

Tell you what. I'm okay with them saying whatever they want. But if they  use foreign money for their activities they can say it from prison.

Oh, and the foreigners funneling the money in get an international warrant out for them too.

 

"I'm okay with them saying what they want, but I'm not okay with them saying what they want if foreigners fund them."

That's not free speech dude, the juice from reducing foreign influence through the methods you advocate, is not worth the damage to free speech, not by a long shot.

Edited March 16, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Argus]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

I'm okay with them saying what they want, but I'm not okay with them saying what they want if foreigners fund them. That's not free speech dude, the juice from reducing foreign influence is not worth the damage to free speech, not by a long shot.

It poses NO damage to free speech.  You're allowed to say whatever you want. You can't use foreign money to pay for your activist activities. We don't let politicians use foreign moneys and I see no reason why anyone else involved in political activities should either.

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

It poses NO damage to free speech.  You're allowed to say whatever you want. You can't use foreign money to pay for your activist activities. We don't let politicians use foreign moneys and I see no reason why anyone else involved in political activities should either.

You're not allowed to say what you want, if foreigners give you money, and you say something political. That is not free speech, that is infringement on free speech.

Outlawing forms of speech that you don't like, is not free speech, the whole point of free speech, is to protect speech that people don't like. If it only protected speech that people like, then there would be no need for freedom of speech, because no one would object.

Edited March 16, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[John Otis]

15 hours ago, Argus said:

No, and that's a moronic question.

I just thought that this is one of those "blame America" threads, it's usually the case..... pity it isn't.

 

15 hours ago, Argus said:

And that's a moronic suggestion.

No it isn't.

 

If someone has raped 10 little children in a short amount of time, and is definitely going to continue raping little children, would you not want that person destroyed?

[John Otis]

17 hours ago, Rue said:

The problem is not America, just your admitted ignorance.......

But I totally thought it was the problem.