Argus Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) So the latest liberal legal games involves Trudeau's good friend and alcoholic Seamus O'Regan who he recently promoted from Veterans Affairs - where from all accounts he did a lousy job. Some old veteran wrote a column for the Hill Times complaining that new veterans would get a lot less money because of the changes to veterans pensions, especially for wounded veterans. The ministry decided his numbers were pretty much accurate. Despite that, O'Regan writes his own column saying the veteran is dishonest and his numbers are wrong. The veteran sues for defamation, and the government has, so far, spent about five times more in legal costs than the veteran was claiming in damages. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-spent-60000-to-fight-25000-defamation-case-against-oregan/ Edited March 4, 2019 by Argus 1 2 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hates politicians Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 Typical of a politician because its not their money Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 6, 2019 Report Posted March 6, 2019 Wait. Isn't this why they settled that Terrorist guy who was tortured ? Do I get to call both sides hypocrites here ??? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Argus Posted March 6, 2019 Author Report Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: Wait. Isn't this why they settled that Terrorist guy who was tortured ? You think the lawsuit would have cost them tens of millions in legal costs? 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: Do I get to call both sides hypocrites here ??? If you ignore that one was about a payout to a foreign terrorist while the second was the government spending public money to defend the dishonest behaviour of a Liberal cabinet minister. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 6, 2019 Report Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Argus said: You think the lawsuit would have cost them tens of millions in legal costs? If you ignore that one was about a payout to a foreign terrorist while the second was the government spending public money to defend the dishonest behaviour of a Liberal cabinet minister. No ... but wasn't the argument that they wouldn't have done it so they saved the legal costs ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Argus Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: No ... but wasn't the argument that they wouldn't have done it so they saved the legal costs ? The argument was that they would lose the case and likely have to give him that much anyway. Not everyone agreed with that argument. The case was not cut and dried. This case is apparently one which is entirely being defended on technical aspects of what may and may not be done, not on whether the minister is actually guilty. Of that there seems no doubt whatever. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Queenmandy85 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) On 3/4/2019 at 11:22 AM, Argus said: So the latest liberal legal games involves Trudeau's good friend and alcoholic Seamus O'Regan I am wondering why you find it necessary to mention Minister O'Regan's health. If he had cancer in remission, would you have said "Trudeau's good friend and cancer survivor? Or if he was diabetic, would you have felt it necessary to mention that? Or bi-polar? Parkinson's? Edited March 7, 2019 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Argus Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: I am wondering why you find it necessary to mention Minister O'Regan's health. If he had cancer in remission, would you have said "Trudeau's good friend and cancer survivor? Or if he was diabetic, would you have felt it necessary to mention that? Or bi-polar? Parkinson's? Those things don't bear on decision making ability. Alcoholics are unstable and do stupid things. I should know, both my father and brother were alcoholics. Edited March 7, 2019 by Argus 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted March 7, 2019 Report Posted March 7, 2019 Sounds like something only the Liberals would do. Thanks for bringing this up Argus. #OnlyLiberalsDoIt Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Argus Posted March 7, 2019 Author Report Posted March 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, marcus said: Sounds like something only the Liberals would do. Thanks for bringing this up Argus. #OnlyLiberalsDoIt 1. I didn't say only liberals do stupid, venal, self-serving things. 2. The case you refer to is veterans suing the government over a policy difference, not A veteran suing A minister (who is clearly guilty) for defamation. 3. Fighting a lawsuit demanding a change in government policy is considerably different than fighting on behalf of a minister who knowingly libeled a man. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted March 7, 2019 Report Posted March 7, 2019 58 minutes ago, Argus said: 1. I didn't say only liberals do stupid, venal, self-serving things. 2. The case you refer to is veterans suing the government over a policy difference, not A veteran suing A minister (who is clearly guilty) for defamation. 3. Fighting a lawsuit demanding a change in government policy is considerably different than fighting on behalf of a minister who knowingly libeled a man. I doubt you were up in arms when the Conservatives did stupid, venal, self-serving things like spend millions in fighting lawsuits when they were "clearly guilty". Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Army Guy Posted March 8, 2019 Report Posted March 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Argus said: Those things don't bear on decision making ability. Alcoholics are unstable and do stupid things. I should know, both my father and brother were alcoholics. Yes all true , but it is 2015, and they need an alcoholic to round out the end all be all cabinet.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted March 8, 2019 Author Report Posted March 8, 2019 22 hours ago, marcus said: I doubt you were up in arms when the Conservatives did stupid, venal, self-serving things like spend millions in fighting lawsuits when they were "clearly guilty". Guilty of having a policy the veterans didn't like? Grow up. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted March 8, 2019 Report Posted March 8, 2019 On 3/4/2019 at 12:22 PM, Argus said: Some old veteran wrote a column for the Hill Times complaining that new veterans would get a lot less money because of the changes to veterans pensions, especially for wounded veterans. The ministry decided his numbers were pretty much accurate. Despite that, O'Regan writes his own column saying the veteran is dishonest and his numbers are wrong. The veteran sues for defamation, and the government has, so far, spent about five times more in legal costs than the veteran was claiming in damages. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-spent-60000-to-fight-25000-defamation-case-against-oregan/ Argus, of course they fight it, because it isn't just about 1 vet: It's about all the others they will also have to compensate if he wins. Quote
Argus Posted March 9, 2019 Author Report Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, jacee said: Argus, of course they fight it, because it isn't just about 1 vet: It's about all the others they will also have to compensate if he wins. This is about a vet's lawsuit for defamation. And the department has already admitted the vet's numbers were right. IMO, the minister should be paying for his own lawyer on this. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted March 9, 2019 Report Posted March 9, 2019 Yes but Argus they are giving him a promotion now....to a much larger Dept.....I wish all companies worked that way, screw up , step on your private parts hard, and then get promoted anyways...I know you liberals will find it hard to connect the dots on this one, but this is not his only time he has stepped on his ladies parts. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
marcus Posted March 9, 2019 Report Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Yes but Argus they are giving him a promotion now....to a much larger Dept.....I wish all companies worked that way, screw up , step on your private parts hard, and then get promoted anyways...I know you liberals will find it hard to connect the dots on this one, but this is not his only time he has stepped on his ladies parts. Hey Army Guy. How was Harper's policies towards vets? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 9, 2019 Report Posted March 9, 2019 Let me refresh your memory Army Guy. Remember when the judge ordered the Harper government to pay $887 million to vets? The Conservative government spent $750,000 in legal fees fighting to keep in place a government policy that clawed back millions of dollars annually from more than 4,000 disabled veterans and their families. The government lost and the judge awarded $34 million in legal costs -- which was deducted from the money owed to veterans by Ottawa. For decades federal governments clawed back the existing payments to veterans if they were given a disability award. The practice was condemned by the ombudsperson, the senate and a motion in the House of Commons, but the government refused to act. Finally, the court ruled that the veterans were right and the government was wrong. link Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Queenmandy85 Posted March 9, 2019 Report Posted March 9, 2019 The stiffing the vets policy goes back to the Great War. I have never understood why governments of all stripes in this country try to ease their financial problems on the backs of the people who fought for us. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2019 Report Posted March 10, 2019 19 hours ago, marcus said: Hey Army Guy. How was Harper's policies towards vets? Is this how you debate Marcus, by deflection, I never made it a secret that I was not a big fan of harpers military or vet policies, in fact you can go back in past posts and find hundreds of them. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2019 Report Posted March 10, 2019 19 hours ago, marcus said: Let me refresh your memory Army Guy. Remember when the judge ordered the Harper government to pay $887 million to vets? The Conservative government spent $750,000 in legal fees fighting to keep in place a government policy that clawed back millions of dollars annually from more than 4,000 disabled veterans and their families. The government lost and the judge awarded $34 million in legal costs -- which was deducted from the money owed to veterans by Ottawa. For decades federal governments clawed back the existing payments to veterans if they were given a disability award. The practice was condemned by the ombudsperson, the senate and a motion in the House of Commons, but the government refused to act. Finally, the court ruled that the veterans were right and the government was wrong. link More deflection, the answer to your question 90 % of all vets problems were created once the Cons changed the injury / medical pension for vets and serving members.....this is an over used liberal excuse for everything it seems, Justin liberals have been in power for almost 4 years now, time to move on and step up to the plate own their time in power take responsibility for their actions ….sunny F8888ing ways indeed, transparent to the point of mud, what they can not deny they blame on harper, they bring up something else harper did.....Who is in power liberals or Cons....own it they earned it through the taxpayers votes.....does not seem the case... Let me refresh your memory, One of Justins 2015 campaign promises was to return these injury claims /medical pension back to where they were...and 4 years later they have not accomplished what they set out to do, instead they like the cons have slash millions off the payments to pay for other things like 5 bil to foreign aid for climate change, 4.5 bil pipeline, thousands of tax payers dollars to a known tv personality charity...... the list goes on and on... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2019 Report Posted March 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: The stiffing the vets policy goes back to the Great War. I have never understood why governments of all stripes in this country try to ease their financial problems on the backs of the people who fought for us. My question is to the Canadian tax payers, if we have known about this problem since the great war, at what time are the tax payers going to stand up and change it.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
marcus Posted March 10, 2019 Report Posted March 10, 2019 18 hours ago, Army Guy said: Is this how you debate Marcus, by deflection, I never made it a secret that I was not a big fan of harpers military or vet policies, in fact you can go back in past posts and find hundreds of them. There is no deflection. I rip Trudeau and many of his policies any time someone tries to defend actions which I feel are wrong. And there are many of them. I just can't take your cry for justice seriously because you are selective in how you approach politics. All you do is bash Trudeau when the Harper government has had the very same or very similar policies towards some of the hot topics in Canada. Take the topic in this thread for example; The question of treatment of vets. You can say the same thing when it comes to immigration policies, protection of the energy sector, business with Saudi Arabia and etc. Harper and Trudeau have carried very similar policies, yet you spend most of your time bashing Trudeau, but when Harper was in power, you were quiet for pretty much everything Harper did. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Army Guy Posted March 10, 2019 Report Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, marcus said: There is no deflection. I rip Trudeau and many of his policies any time someone tries to defend actions which I feel are wrong. And there are many of them. I just can't take your cry for justice seriously because you are selective in how you approach politics. All you do is bash Trudeau when the Harper government has had the very same or very similar policies towards some of the hot topics in Canada. Take the topic in this thread for example; The question of treatment of vets. You can say the same thing when it comes to immigration policies, protection of the energy sector, business with Saudi Arabia and etc. Harper and Trudeau have carried very similar policies, yet you spend most of your time bashing Trudeau, but when Harper was in power, you were quiet for pretty much everything Harper did. Marcus , I call bullshit, take a look at my past posts there are lots of them that bash the cons and their handling of any military/ vets issues, in fact ask a lot of the old members here on this forum, I've bashed both sides of the fence when deserved.....Yes I do bash Trudeau a lot, and for the most part he deserve it all, same as when I bashed Harper.....although Harper was Mr. personality, and he did have some major issues while in office, a lot of them were proven to be false such as the mistreatment of POWs incident, but one has to ask these questions, how many times did harper visit the ethics commission, how many times did he throw cabinet ministers under the bus, and then out right lie about it.....how many times did harper answer questions during question period, how many times a week was harper in parliament, compare to Trudeau.... Did Mr. Harper have the PR disaster that Justin is having now, did he have 3 cabinet minsters and a chief of staff resign just before an election…. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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