marcus Posted March 9, 2019 Report Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) I don't see these people any differently than criminal gangs living in Canada. You can bet that any of them coming back to Canada will be heavily monitored if not prosecuted. Edited March 9, 2019 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
GostHacked Posted March 10, 2019 Author Report Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 12:31 AM, marcus said: I don't see these people any differently than criminal gangs living in Canada. You can bet that any of them coming back to Canada will be heavily monitored if not prosecuted. Not when our government sanctions criminal mob like activity via entities like SNC-Lavalin. I put no faith in that. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 12, 2019 Report Posted March 12, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 1:31 AM, marcus said: I don't see these people any differently than criminal gangs living in Canada. You can bet that any of them coming back to Canada will be heavily monitored if not prosecuted. How many gangs in Canada have cut the heads off other Canadians and made videos for the world to see, have you done any research on ISIS torture houses, execution fields where they have started to recover thousands of bodies, just in case you missed that number 1000's and there are dozens of these places, thats genocide on a grand scale, to the point Sweden is launching a plea to the UN to have an inter national court set up to deal with ex ISIS fighters...... how many Canadian gangs have committed genocide,..........Even on a bad day for Canadian gangs they could not do 1/1000 of the shit these terrorists did...... 1 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Goddess Posted March 12, 2019 Report Posted March 12, 2019 https://www.thepostmillennial.com/i-saw-my-isis-captor-and-rapist-in-canada-former-yazidi-sex-slave/ Quote When you hear about ISIS selling girls chained up in cages as young as 10, those are Yezidi girls. Or the story about the 50 decapitated sex slaves found by the SAS, those were Yezidi women. And then there’s the countless massacres of men and women in Iraq and Syria, that is the ongoing genocide of the Yezidi people. Perhaps the most shocking testimony from the women who survived ISIS was when one ISIS survivor said that she saw her captive and rapist here in Canada. It says a lot about the hollowness of our allegedly feminist government, that a survivor of sexual slavery does not have the confidence in the Canadian government to protect her from ISIS here in Canada. It also shows the harm of this sham of “rehabilitation” for ISIS fighters that the Trudeau government is touting. Not only have we not seen a single “reformed” extremist speak out, all we see is the terror of their victims manifest in a country meant to keep them safe. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2019 Report Posted March 13, 2019 Yes, just another reason why the right should choke the shit out of the left for wanting to bring these terrorist back into our country....i'm sorry but in these cases a Canadian is not always a Canadian, born here or not and their rights of return or citizenship should be retracted.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
egghead Posted March 13, 2019 Report Posted March 13, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 9:31 PM, marcus said: I don't see these people any differently than criminal gangs living in Canada. You can bet that any of them coming back to Canada will be heavily monitored if not prosecuted. You cannot be serious Is Mafia fine with Hells Angels establishing a presence in their communitie? Quote
marcus Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 On 3/12/2019 at 5:30 PM, egghead said: You cannot be serious Is Mafia fine with Hells Angels establishing a presence in their communitie? They are all criminals. Would you take away the citizenship of a local gang member because they kill? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 On 3/12/2019 at 12:26 PM, Army Guy said: How many gangs in Canada have cut the heads off other Canadians and made videos for the world to see, have you done any research on ISIS torture houses, execution fields where they have started to recover thousands of bodies, just in case you missed that number 1000's and there are dozens of these places, thats genocide on a grand scale, to the point Sweden is launching a plea to the UN to have an inter national court set up to deal with ex ISIS fighters...... how many Canadian gangs have committed genocide,..........Even on a bad day for Canadian gangs they could not do 1/1000 of the shit these terrorists did...... Do ISIS fighters kill innocent people? Yes. Do some gang members kill innocent people? Yes. F16 pilots and those controlling drones from HQ kill innocent people? Yes. They all should receive punishment for killing innocent people. 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
egghead Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, marcus said: They are all criminals. Would you take away the citizenship of a local gang member because they kill? You don't understand the parable Quote
marcus Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, egghead said: You don't understand the parable What if the gang member wore a beard and shouted Allah-o-Akbar? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jacee Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 On 3/12/2019 at 8:02 PM, Army Guy said: Yes, just another reason why the right should choke the shit out of the left for wanting to bring these terrorist back into our country....i'm sorry but in these cases a Canadian is not always a Canadian, born here or not and their rights of return or citizenship should be retracted.... Law: People cannot be left stateless. People are entitled to due process and a fair trial. The children are innocent. The women may also be subject to charges. Let the law handle it. Quote
Argus Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 12 hours ago, marcus said: They are all criminals. Would you take away the citizenship of a local gang member because they kill? If it were possible to do so, yes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 12 hours ago, marcus said: Do ISIS fighters kill innocent people? Yes. Do some gang members kill innocent people? Yes. F16 pilots and those controlling drones from HQ kill innocent people? Yes. They all should receive punishment for killing innocent people. Of course, the difference is people join ISIS knowing they'll be killing people. Criminal gangs only occasionally kill people, mostly other criminal gang members. F16 pilots only rarely kill innocent people, and then by accident. Further, Canadian law is not really set up to punish people for going overseas and doing things there we can't prove. We know that a member of ISIS took part in barbaric, savage violence, but Canadian courts require proof of personal wrongdoing, with evidence, and testimony, in order to punish them. That makes it quite difficult since we can't go to a war zone to collect evidence, and have to wait until they duplicate that behaviour here. Best to remove their citizenship and not let them back. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, jacee said: Law: People cannot be left stateless. Virtually none of these people are born in Canada. They can revert to their original citizenship. 1 hour ago, jacee said: People are entitled to due process and a fair trial. Often not possible given their actions took place overseas in a war zone. 1 hour ago, jacee said: The children are innocent. Their citizenship flows from the parents. If we remove the parents citizenship the children's should be removed too. 1 hour ago, jacee said: The women may also be subject to charges. Let the law handle it. Removing citizenship would be letting the law handle it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
egghead Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) It seems that no one really understood the "gangs" parable Anyway, let's imagine this, Canada never declared war on the Japanese Empire (so, there were no internment camps and other funny businesses). Now, the WW2 was over. US and Uk won. Japaneses Canadians, who went overseas and fought for Japanese Empire, came home. What should we do with them? Before you say that we need to let them back in since this was not our war, you need to read the "C" force and Japanese war crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes Edited March 17, 2019 by egghead Quote
jacee Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Argus said: Virtually none of these people are born in Canada. They can revert to their original citizenship. Often not possible given their actions took place overseas in a war zone. Their citizenship flows from the parents. If we remove the parents citizenship the children's should be removed too. Removing citizenship would be letting the law handle it. We won't be removing citizenship. We will be investigating where possible and laying charges. Leaving Canada to join ISIS is itself an offence. Quote
-TSS- Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 Is It even possible to revoke anyone's citizenship against the person's wishes? Quote
Goddess Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, -TSS- said: Is It even possible to revoke anyone's citizenship against the person's wishes? The Liberals recently created a new bill to make it impossible to revoke citizenship. I don't agree with it. But then, Canadians were not asked or consulted. Which I believe is wrong. The government is there to serve us, not the other way around. Citizenship involves obligations and responsibilities, not just benefits. When a traitor renounces those obligations and responsibilities, they renounce their own citizenship, IMO. The US has this, which I think is how it should be: Quote But a section of our immigration law permits revocation if a naturalized citizen joins a subversive organization within five years of becoming a citizen. The legalistic theory is that this is a form of fraud: You can’t have taken the oath of citizenship seriously if, so soon after being naturalized, you’ve joined such a group -- e.g., al Qaeda. But the more salient point, I believe, is that you have renounced the obligations of citizenship; it should not matter if you are a born or a naturalized American if you make war against America. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Army Guy Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 19 hours ago, marcus said: Do ISIS fighters kill innocent people? Yes. Do some gang members kill innocent people? Yes. F16 pilots and those controlling drones from HQ kill innocent people? Yes. They all should receive punishment for killing innocent people. It's easy to sit in your chair in the safety of your home, under security provided by men and women who defend our nations, by risking their lives to kill these scumbags you deem human and deserve some kind or rights or respect......and then have the balls to try to explain why a terrorist is the same as a gang member who is the same as a soldier, or pilot....Thats rich....but ok your entitled to your opinion....One day when you leave mom basement your going to find the world is not all peaches and cream you think it is , that in reality it is full of bad people who's only goal in life is to bring pain to your life....one day your going to wake up and thank those men and women who defend our nations allowing you the freedoms to waste band width on this forum.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
-TSS- Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 I guess in Canada also as elsewhere in the Western countries it is a question of not making anyone stateless through revocation of citizenship. The countries of origin of those people may refuse to restore their original citizenship. If so, there is really nothing you can do. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 15, 2019 Report Posted March 15, 2019 8 hours ago, jacee said: Law: People cannot be left stateless. People are entitled to due process and a fair trial. The children are innocent. The women may also be subject to charges. Let the law handle it. Not all these home grown terrorist are just Canadian , they in fact hold dual citizenship....therefore the law states they can be striped of Canadian citizenship and sent back to their orginal countries..... Yes they are, but in case you have not been listening , it is next to impossible to gather enough evidence to convict them in our courts, which gives them caret blanch to do what ever they want to whom ever they want with out consequences…. well ok Canada is making them take some poetry , and arts and crafts lessons at our expense hoping they will forgive us and become a productive member of our nation....Most people are saying thats bullshit, we should change our laws, to make it tougher on these scumbags, besides I think most Canadians are wiling to just leave them in what ever shit hole they find themselves today....by refusing entrance into Canada or the use of a Canadian passport....they can call themselves what the F*** the want just not able to travel any where.... Yes the children are innocent, perhaps they can be sent to Canada and seized and adopted out to normal Canadian families....I mean most of these kids were born in Iraq, and in most countries that would make them Iraqi would it not.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted March 16, 2019 Report Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Not all these home grown terrorist are just Canadian , they in fact hold dual citizenship....therefore the law states they can be striped of Canadian citizenship and sent back to their orginal countries..... Yes they are, but in case you have not been listening , it is next to impossible to gather enough evidence to convict them in our courts, which gives them caret blanch to do what ever they want to whom ever they want with out consequences…. well ok Canada is making them take some poetry , and arts and crafts lessons at our expense hoping they will forgive us and become a productive member of our nation....Most people are saying thats bullshit, we should change our laws, to make it tougher on these scumbags, besides I think most Canadians are wiling to just leave them in what ever shit hole they find themselves today....by refusing entrance into Canada or the use of a Canadian passport....they can call themselves what the F*** the want just not able to travel any where.... Yes the children are innocent, perhaps they can be sent to Canada and seized and adopted out to normal Canadian families....I mean most of these kids were born in Iraq, and in most countries that would make them Iraqi would it not.... Obviously fighters will take more time and investigation. But there are many more women and children. That's what the real conversation is about. In the end, the laws and the courts will decide. All the bleating about stripping people of citizenship is just hysterical nonsense. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 16, 2019 Report Posted March 16, 2019 Quote Yes they are, but in case you have not been listening , it is next to impossible to gather enough evidence to convict them in our courts, which gives them caret blanch to do what ever they want to whom ever they want with out consequences…. well ok Canada is making them take some poetry , and arts and crafts lessons at our expense hoping they will forgive us and become a productive member of our nation....Most people are saying thats bullshit, we should change our laws, to make it tougher on these scumbags, besides I think most Canadians are wiling to just leave them in what ever shit hole they find themselves today....by refusing entrance into Canada or the use of a Canadian passport....they can call themselves what the F*** the want just not able to travel any where.... Once again I will repeat my above statement...It is next to impossible to prove ANY wrong doing of any of these people...to the level of burden of proof in Canada.... These terrorist know that, and take advantage of that, they joined ISIS a known terrorist group, to take part in that groups terrorist activities... with no fear of getting caught, or facing criminal charges...And because of that reason we do not want them in the country. so they may come and go as they want to commit mayhem any where in the world.... Fighters are not the only problem here, women have also taken part in these criminal activities, via recruiting, organizing financial aid, providing any aid to the enemy is a legal form of treason, another reason we do not want them back into the country......which now leaves only the children that have no blood on their hands... child services should strip them from their parents and place them up for adoption....unless of course you see a reason why these terrorist make good parents... In the end the courts will decide, and if the liberals get voted out i'm sure the laws will be changing.....and then all this bleating and crying about bringing these scumbags back into the country will be just liberals and greens bleating about how we are abusing their rights....but here is the real question, when did we forget about the rights of all the Iraqi or Syrian civilians that these terrorist marched out into the desert to cut their heads off.....Who stands up for those individuals not the liberals or the green, let them all face justice in Iraq or Syria... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Goddess Posted March 18, 2019 Report Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 6:04 PM, jacee said: But there are many more women and children. That's what the real conversation is about. In the end, the laws and the courts will decide. All the bleating about stripping people of citizenship is just hysterical nonsense. Why do the women get a "pass"? Do you really believe that none of them had any inkling that ISIS was a barbaric death machine, raping and destroying everywhere they went? Come on..... Unfortunately, like other children whose parents make horrible decisions for them, the children will suffer. That is the fault of their mothers and fathers who made the worst possible choice for them - they CHOSE to gamble with their babies' lives and they lost. You can boo-hoo and make excuses for these women all you want - but they are just as culpable as the men. They were tweeting instructions to their fellow Muslims all over the world to drive vans into crowds and kill as many of us as possible. They were fully supportive of the ISIS agenda. If you want them coming back here and moving in next door to your grandchildren, you are welcome to that opinion. But then, You would be no different than these idiot women - If you want to gamble with YOUR children and grandchildren's lives and let these female barbarians back in and allow them to continue to raise little jihadis in Canada, that is your choice. I have beautiful grandchildren who are being raised with love and respect for others and I will NOT gamble with their lives. And I am angrier than hell that Trudeau is willing to gamble our lives . Stripping citizenship from these animals is not "hysterical nonsense, other countries are doing it and we should be too. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
egghead Posted March 18, 2019 Report Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) On 3/15/2019 at 5:04 PM, jacee said: Obviously fighters will take more time and investigation. But there are many more women and children. That's what the real conversation is about. In the end, the laws and the courts will decide. All the bleating about stripping people of citizenship is just hysterical nonsense. You are so sexist Because of people like you, at the end, no court can make the right decisions. Edited March 18, 2019 by egghead Quote
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