Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: One does not have to be an American citizen, to defend and uphold the Leader of the Free World, Trump is not a leader of any kind. And if Mr. Bone Spurs did give an order it would likely be 'surrender'. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Kerfuffle Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 Wall...we dont need a frigging wall......we need day care
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Untrue. Your faith in the moderation in this place is misguided, they selectively stretch the rules and enforce against any boatrockers whose opinions annoy the main clique in this place. Oh please. If that was true that idiot Taxme would have been gone long ago. Instead I got suspended for calling him a Nazi. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Argus said: Oh please. If that was true that idiot Taxme would have been gone long ago. Instead I got suspended for calling him a Nazi. Fascist perhaps, but he doesn't seem like a National Socialist, Nazis are committed, they don't make any bones about being Nazis, if he was a Nazi, he would proclaim it loudly.
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 I really don't want to get into a ridiculous exchange of insults over how shitty a place the US/Canada is/are. They're both great, rich countries which have their problems. They both have morons as leaders - though ours is at least sane and not working for the Russians. They're both better than most of the rest of the world (though frankly, I envy the Aussies). "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Argus said: Trump is not a leader of any kind. And if Mr. Bone Spurs did give an order it would likely be 'surrender'. Canada reports to him via NORTHCOM in Colorado, or SHAPE in Brussels, none the less.
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Fascist perhaps, but he doesn't seem like a National Socialist, Nazis are committed, they don't make any bones about being Nazis, if he was a Nazi, he would proclaim it loudly. He keeps referencing hate sites and fascists. I really don't see that calling him a fascist as opposed to a Nazi changes the equation. He still hates Jews, even if he does use code words for his conspiracies about 'zionists' and 'banksters'. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Argus said: Oh please. If that was true that idiot Taxme would have been gone long ago. Instead I got suspended for calling him a Nazi. See I wouldn't want you suspended for that, that's lame. I don't see any need to ban taxme, that's just someone else you disagree with who want silenced, because you are pissed that people respond to their posts, and find them more interesting than yours on occasion. You just want to control the conversation, and anytime it doesn't go the way you want it to, you claim people are breaking the rules and should be banned. Edited February 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Argus said: He keeps referencing hate sites and fascists. I really don't see that calling him a fascist as opposed to a Nazi changes the equation. He still hates Jews, even if he does use code words for his conspiracies about 'zionists' and 'banksters'. Plenty of lefties screech about the Zionists and Banksters too. A Nazi is a very specific and extreme breed of fascist, the vast majority of fascists do not meet the threshold of a Nazi.
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Canada reports to him via NORTHCOM in Colorado, or SHAPE in Brussels, none the less. The Canadian units assigned to treaty organizations might report to higher American authority, but those orders can always be overriden by Canadian authorities. So no. We do not report to Trump. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: See I wouldn't want you suspended for that, that's lame. I don't see any need to ban taxme, that's just someone else you disagree with who want silenced, I didn't call for him to be silenced and I don't believe I've ever reported him. I just called him out on his holocaust denial bullshit when he got a little too bald about it. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Plenty of lefties screech about the Zionists and Banksters too. A Nazi is a very specific and extreme breed of fascist, the vast majority of fascists do not meet the threshold of a Nazi. Given his repeatedly expressed disdain for Jews I have little doubt he's got himself some hitler worship stuff around the house. And you won't see me being nice to lefties who push that bullshit either. Edited February 18, 2019 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Argus said: The Canadian units assigned to treaty organizations might report to higher American authority, but those orders can always be overriden by Canadian authorities. So no. We do not report to Trump. The Canadian authorities are totally reliant on the Americans, Canada has no logistics tail, NORTHCOM is the logistics tail for Canada, and CDSA is always in effect, Canada could withdraw from CDSA, but since DND is totally reliant on the Pentagon, that's not going to happen.
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: The Canadian authorities are totally reliant on the Americans, Canada has no logistics tail, NORTHCOM is the logistics tail for Canada, and CDSA is always in effect, Canada could withdraw from CDSA, but since DND is totally reliant on the Pentagon, that's not going to happen. Not going to disagree much. The under-funding of the Canadian military has been an ongoing irritant to me for decades. I lost a lot of respect for Harper for continuing that tradition. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Argus said: Not going to disagree much. The under-funding of the Canadian military has been an ongoing irritant to me for decades. I lost a lot of respect for Harper for continuing that tradition. Harper discovered that it was too broken to fix, it's dead, throwing money at it doesn't fix anything, it can't even spend the money, Chretien destroyed the infrastructure to even run military acquisitions, that's why they cant get any kit, even when the money is made available. Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93
Argus Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Harper discovered that it was too broken to fix, it's dead, throwing money at it doesn't fix anything, it can't even spend the money, Chretien destroyed the infracture to even run military acquisitions, that's why they cant get any kit, even when the money is made available. No. Harper just didn't like all the issues that kept coming up, from the treatment of prisoners in Afghanistan (which we handed over to allies) to McKay's helicopter ride to the F-35. He got ticked off and stopped giving a crap about the military, except to use its funds when the recession hit and he was trying to cut back on things most people wouldn't care a lot about. The acquisition problem isn't due to the military so much as the government's insistence that whatever big ticket items they buy have to be first measured by how many jobs and how much money flows into important government constituencies. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 Just consider the Canadian Forces to be gone, that's just a facade, the only military you have left, is CANSOFCOM, but that's only 2500 troops, and they work exclusively with the Americans.
Guest Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Untrue. Your faith in the moderation in this place is misguided, they selectively stretch the rules and enforce against any boatrockers whose opinions annoy the main clique in this place. Well, I have to admit I haven't read every post on here, and I haven't been consulted about any that have been deleted, so with me it's more of a "I doubt that very much" situation. I would lean more to the idea that rational arguments that meet the requirements of the guidelines don't get deleted, no matter how big are the waves they create.
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Back in the 1980's the Forces were underfunded, but we could still deploy the 1st Canadian Division if need be, but now the total sum of Canada's deployable conventional force, is a single battalion. They have to cannibalize the entire military stores, just to fit out a single battalion. Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, Argus said: No. Harper just didn't like all the issues that kept coming up, from the treatment of prisoners in Afghanistan (which we handed over to allies) to McKay's helicopter ride to the F-35. He got ticked off and stopped giving a crap about the military, except to use its funds when the recession hit and he was trying to cut back on things most people wouldn't care a lot about. The acquisition problem isn't due to the military so much as the government's insistence that whatever big ticket items they buy have to be first measured by how many jobs and how much money flows into important government constituencies. They can't even buy 9x19mm sidearms. Pistols. Pistols is too much of an acquisition for DND to handle.
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Oddly enough, F-35 would be the easiest thing for Canada to "buy", because you don't even buy it, you just pay the Americans and they run everything for you, they even train the pilots for you, basically you just give the Americans cash, and recruits, and they run your air force as part of their own. The F-35 program is tailor made for Canada, and if everything was like the F-35, the Canadian military would be equipped like the Americans. Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Posted February 18, 2019 41 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Well, I have to admit I haven't read every post on here, and I haven't been consulted about any that have been deleted, so with me it's more of a "I doubt that very much" situation. I would lean more to the idea that rational arguments that meet the requirements of the guidelines don't get deleted, no matter how big are the waves they create. Well that may be your stance now, but keep your eyes open, and you might notice the dynamic I describe. Feel free to be skeptical, I'm just offering you my honest assessment of the situation as I've observed to this point. I've only been here for a short time, so perhaps it's a small sample size that is influencing my opinion, I doubt that very much, same as you, and I'm open to the possibility that I could be mistaken.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Posted February 19, 2019 My experience here after tens years+ worth of warnings and suspensions is that the moderator would prefer a hands off approach, but if you make him get out of his squad car he is bringing an ass kicking with him. Those who force him to clean up a tangled mess of off topic foreplay will be warned and then get a vacation. Only the most incorrigible forum criminals get banned outright. Lately he just shuts the thread down if it is a hopeless derail with no hope of returning to the tracks. This is not a new development....years ago we would joke about identical circumstances with forum rules comparisons to "Cool Hand Luke".... Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Posted February 19, 2019 I like the thread derail closure. Threads tend to go on and on without resolution, when Charles Anthony locks the thread, it's like the ref calling time on that play, but I happily move on to something else therein.
Dougie93 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Posted February 19, 2019 Besides, Zeitgeist will appear in the next thread to assert that we must kill and die for Julie Payette and the CBC or we are traitors somehow, regardless of what the topic is.
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