Lima Group in Ottawa

[cannuck]

Does this mean the Little tur...er...I mean TRUdeau is swearing off his ideological allegiance to the left?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4916850/lima-group-canada-venezuela/

Now, his Daddy was a card carrying Communist, and he grew up admiring and befriending such luminaries as Fidel Castro, so how could he possibly turn his back on the Bolivarian Revolution and his fellow traveller Maduro????

Do you think there might be an election in Venezuela this year?    How about Canada?

[GostHacked]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

Does this mean the Little tur...er...I mean TRUdeau is swearing off his ideological allegiance to the left?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4916850/lima-group-canada-venezuela/

Now, his Daddy was a card carrying Communist, and he grew up admiring and befriending such luminaries as Fidel Castro, so how could he possibly turn his back on the Bolivarian Revolution and his fellow traveller Maduro????

Do you think there might be an election in Venezuela this year?    How about Canada?

Um, the election already happened, and now there are some problems as to who is the legit leader.  Will the Venezuelan constitution determine who that is , or is it foreign meddling that determines it?

[cannuck]

There we go, a REAL lefty in the flesh.  Yeah, any election that the Bolivarian Revolution held was legitimate.  I have to hand it to you, you are staying true to the cause - what with only Russia and China in agreement with you.  That is, Russia, China and Maduro.

If you know anything at all about Venezuela, you would know there is a HUGE issue with who is legitimately the leader.  The "foreign meddling" is happening because a criminal and his co-conspirators have been running the show for several years, milking the wealth of the country for their personal benefit and jailing or killing (a lot more of the latter lately) anyone who gets in their way.  Virtually every credible international company long ago left Venezuela since the corruption and incompetence (only party faithful members were given jobs at PDVSA - which is what runs the economy).  But, hey, what the heck would one of those actual petroleum employees know about running a business that some good Bolivarian socialist couldn't just figure out on their own?

Edited February 4, 2019 by cannuck

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 2/4/2019 at 10:12 AM, cannuck said:

Does this mean the Little tur...er...I mean TRUdeau is swearing off his ideological allegiance to the left?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4916850/lima-group-canada-venezuela/

Now, his Daddy was a card carrying Communist, and he grew up admiring and befriending such luminaries as Fidel Castro, so how could he possibly turn his back on the Bolivarian Revolution and his fellow traveller Maduro????

Do you think there might be an election in Venezuela this year?    How about Canada?

Is this praise (of a sort) for the Trudeau government I see before my eyes? 

[GostHacked]

On 2/4/2019 at 1:38 PM, cannuck said:

There we go, a REAL lefty in the flesh.  Yeah, any election that the Bolivarian Revolution held was legitimate.  I have to hand it to you, you are staying true to the cause - what with only Russia and China in agreement with you.  That is, Russia, China and Maduro.

If you know anything at all about Venezuela, you would know there is a HUGE issue with who is legitimately the leader.  The "foreign meddling" is happening because a criminal and his co-conspirators have been running the show for several years, milking the wealth of the country for their personal benefit and jailing or killing (a lot more of the latter lately) anyone who gets in their way.  Virtually every credible international company long ago left Venezuela since the corruption and incompetence (only party faithful members were given jobs at PDVSA - which is what runs the economy).  But, hey, what the heck would one of those actual petroleum employees know about running a business that some good Bolivarian socialist couldn't just figure out on their own?

I've been called a lefty, an alt-righty,  and many many other things.

But the question stands,  will it be Venezuela that decides or foreign powers?   And what does that mean for the USA if they meddle in their elections all while crying about Russia's alleged involvement in the US elections.  Sounds quite hypocritical to me.  I guess since the M.E. is a  FUBAR the USA needs to get their hands on South America?

[cannuck]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I've been called a lefty, an alt-righty,  and many many other things.

But the question stands,  will it be Venezuela that decides or foreign powers?   And what does that mean for the USA if they meddle in their elections all while crying about Russia's alleged involvement in the US elections.  Sounds quite hypocritical to me.  I guess since the M.E. is a  FUBAR the USA needs to get their hands on South America?

Venezuela already decided but Maduro fudged the results.  Another three million Venezuelans have also decided and voted with their feet - fleeing to neighbouring countries as life in Maduro's Bolivarian paradise is impossible for ordinary people.  Personally, speaking from what our Venezuelan friends had to say (past tense, as they are in hiding due to attempts on their lives - as well as a couple of actual murders by Maduro's people), I don't give a rat's as WHO does what to dump or better yet eliminate Maduro and enforce the actual will of the people.  THEN they can have a real election, supervised or at least audited by foreign powers (probably from the Lima group, but maybe Canada??? - we still are struggling to keep enough credibility to pull that offf) and they can and will do what THEY feel is best - as a sovereign state with some semblance of democracy as was intended even from the first Chavez constitution - you know, the one before Maduro had his henchmen he appointed to the Supreme Court make it possible to prosecute elected members for anything the Supreme Court felt they would like to do.   AND, that is exactly what Maduro did.

You think Americans helping (along with MANY other countries) to restore representative government is somehow a bad thing???????

Edited February 6, 2019 by cannuck

[cannuck]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Is this praise (of a sort) for the Trudeau government I see before my eyes? 

More like damnation from faint praise.   I don't know who in the LPC set this up, but I imagine it was 100% to try to repair the damage by and to the drama queen..er drama TEACHER and Canada's reputation.  While what they did to host the Lima Group is absolutely the right thing, since it is aimed at dethroning one of the ideals of the Trudeau family and legacy it was not done for the right reason.

[SpankyMcFarland]

The US shows less concern for those seeking freedom in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and has the effrontery to criticize Iranian support for the people of Bahrain. 

[bush_cheney2004]

14 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The US shows less concern for those seeking freedom in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and has the effrontery to criticize Iranian support for the people of Bahrain. 

 

No less than Canada.....another shipment of LAVs is heading to the KSA from London, Ontario.

[eyeball]

On 2/5/2019 at 4:15 PM, cannuck said:

You think Americans helping (along with MANY other countries) to restore representative government is somehow a bad thing???????

Based on our record of similar interventions I think the chances are really really high that little to no good will result.

[Rue]

On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 1:24 PM, GostHacked said:

Um, the election already happened, and now there are some problems as to who is the legit leader.  Will the Venezuelan constitution determine who that is , or is it foreign meddling that determines it?

Lol.  I like the way you call a dictator who ignores his constitution and the laws of his country "the constitution". Foreign meddling as you call it has been insurmountable in getting rid of dictators. More to the point its  selective leftists like you demand dictators be removed when the dictator is not to your liking. If this guy was a right wing dictator you'd be the first whining and demanding the world do something about it. Last time I looked Canada has not invaded Venezuela and no one will ask you to do a damn thing so relax and continue when you have your selective outrages, comrade.

[Rue]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Based on our record of similar interventions I think the chances are really really high that little to no good will result.

Our record of similar interventions?  Our record? Last time I looked Canada's sole role since Korea was to send some air fighters to Iraq, some advisors to Iraq and some soldiers to Afghanistan. In your world I get it. You selective leftists choose the outrages you want intervened and ignore the rest.

Interesting how you selective trendy leftists choose the outrage you spitoot about.

[cannuck]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

Our record of similar interventions?  Our record? Last time I looked Canada's sole role since Korea was to send some air fighters to Iraq, some advisors to Iraq and some soldiers to Afghanistan. In your world I get it. You selective leftists choose the outrages you want intervened and ignore the rest.

Interesting how you selective trendy leftists choose the outrage you spitoot about.

Canforces have had scores of deployments to Kosovo, Egypt, Cyprus, Bosnia, Darfur, Kosovo, Somalia, Sudan, etc.  Most certainly qualify as "interventions".

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, Rue said:

Our record of similar interventions?  Our record? Last time I looked Canada's sole role since Korea was to send some air fighters to Iraq, some advisors to Iraq and some soldiers to Afghanistan.

Last time I looked Canada was always in an alliance - in the usual coalition of Usual Suspects.

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In your world I get it. You selective leftists choose the outrages you want intervened and ignore the rest.

Interesting how you selective trendy leftists choose the outrage you spitoot about.

 

Interesting that you've ignored my consistent record about not interfering in any countries affairs for years and years around here.  I suppose I've signalled my virtue on occasion when suggesting Canada should send a couple of our carrier groups and divisions of special forces to various places abroad on behalf of oppressed peoples like...the Rohingya for example... but I get it, virtue is cheap when you don't actually have a couple carrier groups and whatnot sitting around with nothing better to do.

Instead we tag along behind those who do and they humour us like a little rag-tag huddle of Hobbits along for the ride.  As I always say we're no better than our worst allies so maybe they keep us around to put a moral shine on things.

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by eyeball

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

You selective leftists choose the outrages you want intervened and ignore the rest.

Right-wingers select what constitutes a lefty according to their outrage. That's why they should be ignored. 

 

[Dougie93]

This is a smooth operation going down right now, I have to hand it to Crazy John Bolton, so far so good.

Basically this Guaido character is like a Barak Obama clone, he's the Obama of Caracas, they've even got the Yes We Can slogan. lol.

The Americans are doing information warfare here, insert an Obama at Caracas and anything Maduro does to menace Barak, just makes it worse for Maduro.

[cannuck]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Last time I looked Canada was always in an alliance - in the usual coalition of Usual Suspects.

Instead we tag along behind those who do and they humour us like a little rag-tag huddle of Hobbits along for the ride.  As I always say we're no better than our worst allies so maybe they keep us around to put a moral shine on things.

 

I would take exception to that statement.   Canadian military training and discipline is generally a full notch above that of most of our allies.   You, the media, government, etc. may not know or see the difference, but those deployed sure as hell do.  Even though dramatically underfunded, they still command respect of their peers.

[SpankyMcFarland]

22 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No less than Canada.....another shipment of LAVs is heading to the KSA from London, Ontario.

Our government has recently criticized the human rights record of KSA and became embroiled in a serious diplomatic spat over it. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, cannuck said:

I would take exception to that statement.   Canadian military training and discipline is generally a full notch above that of most of our allies.

I'm talking about human morals and ethics not military training and discipline.

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You, the media, government, etc. may not know or see the difference, but those deployed sure as hell do.  Even though dramatically underfunded, they still command respect of their peers

How much respect do you think the Canadians who saw our allies raping little kids in Afghanistan were able to command while doing nothing to stop it?

[GostHacked]

On 2/7/2019 at 12:06 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No less than Canada.....another shipment of LAVs is heading to the KSA from London, Ontario.

This means you support terrorism. Good to know.

[GostHacked]

18 hours ago, Rue said:

Lol.  I like the way you call a dictator who ignores his constitution and the laws of his country "the constitution". Foreign meddling as you call it has been insurmountable in getting rid of dictators. More to the point its  selective leftists like you demand dictators be removed when the dictator is not to your liking. If this guy was a right wing dictator you'd be the first whining and demanding the world do something about it. Last time I looked Canada has not invaded Venezuela and no one will ask you to do a damn thing so relax and continue when you have your selective outrages, comrade.

Well we hear about the USA complaining about Russian meddling in their elections and we see Canada putting things in place for our next election to stave off the same thing of foreign interference... ALL WHILE we fuck up another country and put in a dictator that is freindly to US oil corps.

This is not about democracy or human rights or anything good like that.

Hmmm I think we've seen this before,, over and over and over and over... 

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

I would take exception to that statement.   Canadian military training and discipline is generally a full notch above that of most of our allies.

Is that really true?

It's not like it was in the 1980's, the Canadian military has been crippled by bad governance while the rest of our allies have improved their standards across the board.

NATO isn't the conscript force it once was, it's almost all professionals now.

And bear in mind, it's hard to do the training when you don't have the kit.  Need the kit to train on, Canada doesn't have it. 

IMO we've fallen behind our peers, Australia is our rough equivalent, they are leaving us in the dust.

You can't run the military the way Canada has run it since the end of the Cold War and remain the Best Small Army in the World. 

Maybe we were once, but I'm not seeing it now.

Edited February 8, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

 Even though dramatically underfunded, they still command respect of their peers.

I know lot of US military, they respect me because they know me, but they still say the Canadian military is a joke.

At this point you have to be an old school Canadian soldier who they've worked with before, they don't cut the Canadian military respect on reputation anymore.

Make no mistake, our reputation is that Canada is a left wing peacenik country which couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag.

You can tell the Americans who you served with and what you've done, and they will respect that, but if you try to tell them the Canadian military is hardcore, they'll just laugh at you.

Edited February 8, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Also, and this is critical, the Canadian Forces are not, say again not underfunded.

They just spend it all on overhead and pork barreling at the expense of operational capabilities.

For example; maintaining enough military bases for a million man army, for an army of 25,000.

And they can't even spend all the money they are given because the staffing at DND is so dysfunctional they can't even run programs anymore.

I wouldn't advocate for more spending on DND, just throwing good money after bad now.

You will give them money to buy equipment or whatever, they will either lose that money down some bureaucratic sinkhole, or they will waste it on useless shit.

And Afghanistan proved that,  even in a war, Canada will not get the kit to the front.

Continuing to fund the shit out of the REMF's in Ottawa, piling money unto the bureaucracy without restraint,  even as the troops lie bleeding in the dirt without the kit.

This is why when the Americans are laughing at the Canadian military calling it a joke, I simply reply that it's not actually funny, it's criminal negligence causing death of brave loyal soldiers in the field.

Then they stop laughing and say "tru"

Edited February 8, 2019 by Dougie93

[cannuck]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm talking about human morals and ethics not military training and discipline.

How much respect do you think the Canadians who saw our allies raping little kids in Afghanistan were able to command while doing nothing to stop it?

I can tell you from my son-in-law's experiences in Afganistan, no Canadians under his command saw any such thing, and had he any knowledge of same, it would have been dealt with severely and instantly.

And you know this how?

Edited February 8, 2019 by cannuck