The Chinese 'Far Right' (so called) in Canada against illegal immigration?

[Dougie93]

If you need to contact Her Majesty in an emergency;

For police emergency;

Scotland Yard at New Scotland Yard, Victoria, London

For military emergency;

Military Intelligence Section 5, the Security Service, at Thames House, Millbank, London.

Just ring the operator, they'll put you through.

Edited January 20, 2019 by Dougie93

[QuebecOverCanada]

33 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

There is no British ethnicity, Britain was founded by the Romans in 43 AD, the Roman Empire had no ethnicity, everyone was Roman as soon as they were annexed.

 

Actually the term barbarian came from the Roman Empire. There were ethnic Romans assimilating my Gaulish French ancestors, just so you know your History classes

 

Barbare in French quite literally means stranger, but with of course a pejorative meaning.

Edited January 20, 2019 by QuebecOverCanada

[Dougie93]

But once annexed the barbarians were immediately Romans, barbarians was the term for peoples not yet assimilated. 

[QuebecOverCanada]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

But once annexed the barbarians were immediately Romans, barbarians was the term for peoples not yet assimilated. 

Not exactly, just so were the other tribes that Romans annexed.

Yes Gauls were more Roman toward the end of the 1st century, but each region had its autonomy and independence. Living in Rome had nothing to do with living in Lutetia ( present-day Paris ).

[Dougie93]

In terms of ethnic origins, the Romans were actually Greeks who conquered Italy, but their Empire was simply a system of governance, with a multitude of ethnicity therein, the vast majority neither Italian nor Greek.

[Dougie93]

Just now, QuebecOverCanada said:

Not exactly, just so were the other tribes that Romans annexed.

Yes Gauls were more Roman toward the end of the 1st century, but each region had its autonomy and independence. Living in Rome had nothing to do with living in Lutetia ( present-day Paris ).

Britain was Rome, Britannia is a Roman invention, Rome was simply a system of governance, with no ethnicity. 

[QuebecOverCanada]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

In terms of ethnic origins, the Romans were actually Greeks who conquered Italy, but their Empire was simply a system of governance, with a multitude of ethnicity therein, the vast majority neither Italian nor Greek.

No the Romans were ethnically coming from Rome, and fought the Etruscans who were a League of small tribes in the north-west of Italy, than fought the Greeks that had colonies in the South of Italy, then we all know the rest. The Romans are ethnically Romans and did not let the barbarians decide the political process for example. The Roman conquered the Carthaginians, and never have you seen a Carthaginian become the head of the Roman Empire or Republic.

[Dougie93]

You're simply trying to make the simple complex for the purposes of a canard, so I'll just wait until you address the point. /shrugs

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Britain was Rome, Britannia is a Roman invention, Rome was simply a system of governance, with no ethnicity. 

The Roman Empire is the equivalent of America today, but more powerful, more like England had with Canada. It has direct control, but most of the decisions come from the locals.

[QuebecOverCanada]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

You're simply trying to make the simple complex for the purposes of a canard, so I'll just wait until you address the point. /shrugs

Which point should I adress Dougie?

[Dougie93]

No, Rome was a territorial slave empire, America overthrew that at Cemetery Ridge and then became an Information Empire of Liberty.

Edited January 20, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Just now, QuebecOverCanada said:

Which point should I adress Dougie?

That British is not a race and not a place and rather simply system of governance.

[Dougie93]

Which is clearly the case, as the Hanoverian's of the House of Windsor are North German, the Patriarch of the Family is Greek, and the newest member is African-American.

Monarchies have never been racist, they have to marry foreigners to survive.

[Dougie93]

Just another reason to avoid republics.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Everything you said in this text is true, but it has been a general consensus throughout the liberal media to say that immigrants do support an open border which is a fallacy.

Most established immigrants are as concerned about economic issues as Canadians. They don't like high taxes, and they especially don't like people jumping the queue who have no business being her when THEY had to apply, prove themselves, and now work hard. That unskilled people can just cross the border and go on welfare is anathema to them.

That being said, there are organized ethnic groups whose activist leaders most certainly do want more immigration - but from their country, not others. They want to increase the size of their community (which brings them more attention, power and money from political parties), bring in family members, and make themselves that ethnic community's power broker.

1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

As well, the media says it is because of racist reasons that immigration should be drastically lowered and quickly, well, it's not true. And it's even wronger to say that it is a white supremacy argument and you should be dismissed for saying that.

In this PEW research poll you can see that opposition to immigration is pretty universal. Yes, 37% of UK respondents wanted fewer immigrants, but that numbers was 61% for Argentina and 60% for South Africa. In Germany the number is 58% but it's 67% in Russia. Nobody asked the Chinese, probably because the Chinese goverment wouldn't allow them to, but I have no doubt the number would be high.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/many-worldwide-oppose-more-migration-both-into-and-out-of-their-countries/

1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

And throughout your text, we see that also, other races are racist. The Chinese typically don't like other races, and I've seen and lived it in a short travel in China where I would teach French in an University for free food and travel across the countryside. They love money and the Canadian passport, I can smell that though. I was proposed more marriage at least 3 times while my black friend had no offer what so ever and came from a richer Nigerian family who immigrated to Canada than my own family which is really well off.

The Chinese have what we might call a cliche'd view of Black people as 'jungle savages'. In part this could be because no country in Africa meets with their approval, and partly due to stories of Black crime rates in the US and UK.

[GostHacked]

I bet you NO one here is for ILLEGAL immigration.

[WestCanMan]

On 1/19/2019 at 6:43 PM, QuebecOverCanada said:

It seems that not only the Canadians coming from the Founding Nations (French, English and of course all the Natives) have something against illegal immigration, and that the slander used toward Canadians who don't support illegal immigration as being 'Far rightists' and 'White supremacists' isn't that appropriate to qualify after all, and that immigrants, who are legal, tend to protect the status of legal immigration, since they have been through the process themselves. 

And slogans used in rallies that were slandered as far right by the media, such as 'Not in my backyard', 'Make our home safer' seem to be used equally by the Chinese than by the Whites who are called racists shouting these slogans.

Are we at the eve of a social revolution in Canada, where immigrants may be leaving the Liberal Party and NDP to the Conservatives?

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/gyngex/how-anti-immigrant-rhetoric-crept-into-chinese-canadian-politics

People who believe in hard work and a helping hand are conservatives. It has nothing to do with race.

People who believe in excessive government handouts and extreme taxation are liberals. 

Liberals try to claim moral superiority for some extra votes, it's just a crock.

[cannuck]

On 1/20/2019 at 2:00 PM, QuebecOverCanada said:

Actually the term barbarian came from the Roman Empire. There were ethnic Romans assimilating my Gaulish French ancestors, just so you know your History classes

 

Barbare in French quite literally means stranger, but with of course a pejorative meaning.

The expression is derived from Berbers - the tribes along the coast of Morocco.  The most common reference is to the "barbary coast", which is (was) a corruption of "Berber coast".  The North Atlantic current combines with a sharp shift in magnetic deviation that made navigation along the coast of Morocco particularly difficult.  It was a favourite area for pirates, who were often Berbers - who would tend to anchor in the harbour at Sale (North side of Rabat) until an earthquake raised the seabed in that harbour to be too shallow.   If anyone cares:  the nav error I mentioned above put a lot of ships aground along the coast South of Casablanca, especially where the Canaries caused a sharp increase in the Southward flow of the ocean current as far as Tarfaya.  To this day there are a lot of wrecks along the shoreline.  The Saharoui would collect the cargo and survivors and use them to mine salt and transport across the dessert where their captives would be ransomed, sold or in some cases just released (as a reward for being good workers with no ransom value).

[QuebecOverCanada]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

The expression is derived from Berbers - the tribes along the coast of Morocco.  The most common reference is to the "barbary coast", which is (was) a corruption of "Berber coast".  The North Atlantic current combines with a sharp shift in magnetic deviation that made navigation along the coast of Morocco particularly difficult.  It was a favourite area for pirates, who were often Berbers - who would tend to anchor in the harbour at Sale (North side of Rabat) until an earthquake raised the seabed in that harbour to be too shallow.   If anyone cares:  the nav error I mentioned above put a lot of ships aground along the coast South of Casablanca, especially where the Canaries caused a sharp increase in the Southward flow of the ocean current as far as Tarfaya.  To this day there are a lot of wrecks along the shoreline.  The Saharoui would collect the cargo and survivors and use them to mine salt and transport across the dessert where their captives would be ransomed, sold or in some cases just released (as a reward for being good workers with no ransom value).

It comes from way back.

Herodotus said the Egyptians called barbarians those who did not speak their language.

The Greeks and the Romans then called barbarians all of those who did not belong to their culture.

[cannuck]

2 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

It comes from way back.

Herodotus said the Egyptians called barbarians those who did not speak their language.

The Greeks and the Romans then called barbarians all of those who did not belong to their culture.

You may be right,  but it's not how they tell it in Morocco.  Since I was not around for the Egyptian NOR the Moroccan version, I will give both equal weight.

Edited January 22, 2019 by cannuck

[QuebecOverCanada]

4 minutes ago, cannuck said:

You may be right,  but it's not how they tell it in Morocco

The name of the people Berber may come from the Egyptians and others who just called them barbarians, which was a synonym for stranger. 

I know the Berbers call themselves Imazighen that means Noble and Free men depending of your interpretation.

Edited January 22, 2019 by QuebecOverCanada

[Dougie93]

I was under the impression it was Ancient Greek in Origin, which, the Romans were Greeks as well,  "polites" were citizens, "barbaros" were non citizens, as pertains to Greek "polis" city states.

[turningrite]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

People who believe in hard work and a helping hand are conservatives. It has nothing to do with race.

People who believe in excessive government handouts and extreme taxation are liberals. 

Liberals try to claim moral superiority for some extra votes, it's just a crock.

There's a lot of truth in that. I'm not at all surprised that many Chinese-Canadians oppose illegal migration as presumably most in that community arrive/d in Canada through legal channels. Also, my impression of the Chinese is that they are quite economically conservative (i.e. sensible). I used to work with a woman who had immigrated from China who expressed surprise at the extent of reliance on public programs by some  immigrants. She once asked me: "Why does the government let them come here if they're not here to work?" She noted that a public housing project near her home was occupied almost exclusively by fairly recently arrived immigrants, a circumstance she found  bizarre, opining that no sensible country would allow this. I told her she should talk to the MP about her concerns but noted that she wouldn't likely get a supportive response if her MP was Lib or NDP.

[Dougie93]

Asian Canadians are also more willing to serve in the armed forces, as pertains to the urban rural divide, so while the regular forces are more rural and so more white, the reserve units in the cities these days are heavily reliant on recruiting from the Asian communities

Case in point, for all you Toronto Maple Leafs fans out there, the Regimental Sergeant Major of the 48th Highlanders of Canada, is Chief Warrant Officer Brian Kwok. Chinese Canadian.

Edited January 22, 2019 by Dougie93

[cannuck]

41 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

The name of the people Berber may come from the Egyptians and others who just called them barbarians, which was a synonym for stranger. 

I know the Berbers call themselves Imazighen that means Noble and Free men depending of your interpretation.

Now THAT makes sense given the timelines and geopolitics.  Thanks for suggesting.