What is Wrong With the United State?

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

whataboutism ? Chuckle... a thinker 

 

Another term imported from American media/culture....all is normal.

[Dougie93]

On 1/10/2019 at 8:35 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Slavery was only one issue...states rights was the larger issue, that persists to this day.

There is nothing wrong with the US...it is the same as it ever was.  The U.S. has always had domestic and foreign policy problems regardless of federal efficiencies or harmony.   So please tell us what is wrong with the U.S. compared to any other time in its history ?

Exactly.  But Canadians don't know the central narrative of Canadian history never mind the history of the American republic.   To Canadians,  it was the same America Pre bellum and Antebellum and so do not grasp that the Original Virginia Seceshe was George Washington and his revolution was overthrown in a counterrevolution at the foot of Cemetery Ridge.

Edited January 12, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

And furthermore, Canadians, their central erased, do not have a grasp of British North America's relationship to either revolution, such as how Canada wasn't settled by the United Kingdom Canada was settled by Americans and Canadians are Americans, or how Canada was vehemently on the side of the Confederacy and allowed them to operate against the Union from here and then when they lost many of them fled here and lived under Canada's protection.

[Dougie93]

Canadians have also more recently been indoctrinated by the Yankees to believe the it was all for slavery myth of post Antietam, rather than the cause being the technological displacement of the cotton gin which rapidly made the Southron Planting Aristocracy so rich that they could break away from Wall Street and form a competing hegenomy on the continent particularly in the West.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Too bad....get your own "nuclear codes".  

 

Hey, you never know, could be the Deputy at Peterson on duty when the Balloon goes up, entirely plausible a Canadian could end the world.

I think it's Lt. General Christopher Coates.  TACAMO!

[Iznogoud]

22 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Judging by your OP, and all the others since, I doubt it!

I think you will find I know a good deal more than someone who only knows how to troll.  I note that you were not able to make an intelligent reply to anything in my OP.  I am guessing that is because you can't.

[Iznogoud]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

And furthermore, Canadians, their central erased, do not have a grasp of British North America's relationship to either revolution, such as how Canada wasn't settled by the United Kingdom Canada was settled by Americans and Canadians are Americans, or how Canada was vehemently on the side of the Confederacy and allowed them to operate against the Union from here and then when they lost many of them fled here and lived under Canada's protection.

I expected you are referring to the United Empire Loyalists as Americans.  If so you are correct, however, keep in mind that they came to Canada because they wanted to remain British.  As for the Civil War the historical record shows that more Canadians volunteered to fight for the North Than the South.

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, Iznogoud said:

I expected you are referring to the United Empire Loyalists as Americans.  If so you are correct, however, keep in mind that they came to Canada because they wanted to remain British.  As for the Civil War the historical record shows that more Canadians volunteered to fight for the North Than the South.

No they came here so they wouldn't get tarred and feathered by victorious republican hooligans in the newly free Republic, and throwing themselves on the mercy of British Crown was the only real option they had.

Moreover, they were in the British Empire but they weren't culturally British, they had no real connection to the United Kingdom and those people other than by law they were still totally connected to the 13 colonies, particularly as to families  which were on both sides, there was no border tho so people could go back and forth.

Eventually the UEL Americans here began to agitate against the Crown as well, because there was no democracy here, so they were about to stage their own revolution here, Canada being much easier to overthrow . . .

 . . .just as the Madison Administration invaded in 1812 over impressment.  Once attacked by the American republic, public opinion here flipped against the Americans as they rallied around the Crown, not because they loved it, but because the Americans were invading with what was a huge and scary army by British North American standards

In terms of the American Civil War there were abolitionists here too, but the Loyalist Canadians were in fact the only real ally the Confederates had, because Britain and France weren't coming to save them, and the reason was not that Canadians liked slavery per se, although they were of course virulently White Supremacist, it was simply a case of the enemy of my enemy, the arch enemy of Canada since 1812 being the behemoth which was at this point crushing the Southrons like a slow motion nuclear strike.

Edited January 12, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Then what happened was,  the Fenians, which was a proto IRA, being Irish Catholic veterans from both sides of the ACW, invaded Canada at Niagara, to ransom it for Irish Freedom,  and marched up the golden horseshoe to take Toronto.

Then the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada were dispatched by ferry across the lake to intercept them, which they did at Ridgeway at Fort Erie.  Wasn't much of a battle but suffice to say the ACW veteran Fenian troops fired a few volleys and then the Queen's Own Rifles, having never heard a shot fired in anger, basically fled the field.

In the end, Gen. Grant had the Fenians arrested, none the less the fear that the Americans could invade at any moment caused the British, who did not want to fight the Americans, to force the colonies here into a military and trade alliance to defend it for the British.

Basically, as an emergency measure in the face of imminent invasion by the Americans paranoia, they put together a shotgun marriage, because the colonies did not want  be in federal relationship with each other,  they all wanted direct relationship with London to control their own destinies, but this was being imposed upon them by the British so they really had no choice. And in a matter of months they had put the shotgun wedding together and called it Confederation at Charlottetown, and on 1 July 1867 they had the reception.

Edited January 12, 2019 by Dougie93

[Iznogoud]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

No they came here so they wouldn't get tarred and feathered by victorious republican hooligans in the newly free Republic, and throwing themselves on the mercy of British Crown was the only real option they had.

Moreover, they were in the British Empire but they weren't culturally British, they had no real connection to the United Kingdom and those people other than by law they were still totally connected to the 13 colonies, particularly as to families  which were on both sides, there was no border tho so people could go back and forth.

Eventually the UEL Americans here began to agitate against the Crown as well, because there was no democracy here, so they were about to stage their own revolution here, Canada being much easier to overthrow . . .

 . . .just as the Madison Administration invaded in 1812 over impressment.  Once attacked by the American republic, public opinion here flipped against the Americans as they rallied around the Crown, not because they loved it, but because the Americans were invading with what was a huge and scary army by British North American standards

In terms of the American Civil War there were abolitionists here too, but the Loyalist Canadians were in fact the only real ally the Confederates had, because Britain and France weren't coming to save them, and the reason was not that Canadians liked slavery per se, although they were of course virulently White Supremacist, it was simply a case of the enemy of my enemy, the arch enemy of Canada since 1812 being the behemoth which was at this point crushing the Southrons like a slow motion nuclear strike.

I think you might actually want to check out where all of the Loyalists went.  Most did come to Canada, but many went to other parts of the empire.  Fleeing death threats was important, but so was staying British.  And that British attitude persisted through the War Of 1812 and the aversion to many things considered American, such as democracy.  One of the interesting historical questions is "How did Canada avoid becoming part of the United States?" and that positive attitude toward Britain is one of the answers. 

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Iznogoud said:

I think you might actually want to check out where all of the Loyalists went.  Most did come to Canada, but many went to other parts of the empire.  Fleeing death threats was important, but so was staying British.  And that British attitude persisted through the War Of 1812 and the aversion to many things considered American, such as democracy.  One of the interesting historical questions is "How did Canada avoid becoming part of the United States?" and that positive attitude toward Britain is one of the answers. 

Whatever.   That's how the central narrative gets lost, the knee jerk anti-Americanism.

That's why all the Liberals have to do to get the Canadabots to rally around the failing socialist nanny police state, is invoke the American Reb Menace.

Hence Canada, despite Canadian pronouncements about democracy and freedom, actually remains a freedom and democracy backwater.

/shrugs

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Whatever.   That's how the central narrative gets lost, the knee jerk anti-Americanism.

That's why all the Liberals have to do to get the Canadabots to rally around the failing socialist nanny police state, is invoke the American Reb Menace.

 

Bravo....some people here have never understood why I routinely suggest that Canada is the USA's closest AND oldest enemy...you have explained this so much better !

.....just another problem for the United States.

[DogOnPorch]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Bravo....some people here have never understood why I routinely suggest that Canada is the USA's closest AND oldest enemy...you have explained this so much better !

.....just another problem for the United States.

 

Shades of Lundy's Lane.

[Jimwd]

20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Another term imported from American media/culture....all is normal.

You’re insecurity makes me chuckle. Go ahead tell us how great you are while putin pulls the strings. 

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

You’re insecurity makes me chuckle. Go ahead tell us how great you are while putin pulls the strings. 

 

Seems you fear Trump and America a lot more than Putin.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Seems you fear Trump and America a lot more than Putin.

 

For someone pulling all the strings, his weapons break down pretty frequent...just saying.

 

[Dougie93]

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Bravo....some people here have never understood why I routinely suggest that Canada is the USA's closest AND oldest enemy...you have explained this so much better !

.....just another problem for the United States.

Not a problem, because anybody who is prepared to fight kill and/or die for anything in Canada, defends and upholds the Constitution of the United States of America.

The whole sneering knee jerk anti-American thing is entirely amongst the bourgeoisie, and they're mostly harmless.

They do harm to their own interests more than  anything, because they don't actually know what their interests are.

Without the central narrative of Canadian history, they don't know the story of their people, in the cause and effect sense.

[Jimwd]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Seems you fear Trump and America a lot more than Putin.

Fear? Try another one...sad 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Jimwd said:

Fear? Try another one...sad 

 

No...it is ironic....worrying so much about Putin and America....from Canada.

[Jimwd]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No...it is ironic....worrying so much about Putin and America....from Canada.

Worrying? Or observing a crime? Not much of a chamberlain fan but apparently you are. History wasn’t kind to you was it?

[bush_cheney2004]

16 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

Worrying? Or observing a crime? Not much of a chamberlain fan but apparently you are. History wasn’t kind to you was it?

 

Yes...worrying.    Observing America is one of Canada's national past times.  Enjoy the show.

[Zeitgeist]

19 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Then what happened was,  the Fenians, which was a proto IRA, being Irish Catholic veterans from both sides of the ACW, invaded Canada at Niagara, to ransom it for Irish Freedom,  and marched up the golden horseshoe to take Toronto.

Then the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada were dispatched by ferry across the lake to intercept them, which they did at Ridgeway at Fort Erie.  Wasn't much of a battle but suffice to say the ACW veteran Fenian troops fired a few volleys and then the Queen's Own Rifles, having never heard a shot fired in anger, basically fled the field.

In the end, Gen. Grant had the Fenians arrested, none the less the fear that the Americans could invade at any moment caused the British, who did not want to fight the Americans, to force the colonies here into a military and trade alliance to defend it for the British.

Basically, as an emergency measure in the face of imminent invasion by the Americans paranoia, they put together a shotgun marriage, because the colonies did not want  be in federal relationship with each other,  they all wanted direct relationship with London to control their own destinies, but this was being imposed upon them by the British so they really had no choice. And in a matter of months they had put the shotgun wedding together and called it Confederation at Charlottetown, and on 1 July 1867 they had the reception.

No, those raids were splinter aggressions that had little to do with Confederation, which had been in the works since the 1840’s.  Basically the Irish rebels didn’t like seeing British North America consolidate, especially with the US weakened by the Civil War.  After that both countries boomed with railroad expansion.

Edited January 13, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No, those raids were splinter aggressions that had little to do with Confederation, which had been in the works since the 1840’s.  Basically the Irish rebels didn’t like seeing British North America consolidate, especially with the US weakened by the Civil War.  After that both countries boomed with railroad expansion.

 

Hardly weakened, the British did not want to engage a very large Union Army.   By the 1870's....the "weakened" US would be the largest economy in the world.

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Hardly weakened, the British did not want to engage a very large Union Army.   By the 1870's....the "weakened" US would be the largest economy in the world.

Could not engage, there was only 200,000 troops in the British Army and most of them were for India and the Far East.

[DogOnPorch]

Canada formed as a result of the Union victory in the US Civil War. We knew what was next...

Gen Grant: "Let's see...what to do next? Those darn Redskins or those pithy British."