Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: It really is. Commies f*** everything up, especially revolutions against monarchs. They are so bad at it, they couldn't f*** up harder, if they were deliberately trying to f*** up. Pretty much the only thing they are good for is getting themselves killed by the very regime they help put in power. Including Allende, who thought Pinochet was his ally and protector. lol. Out the helicopter, commies.
Charles Anthony Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 Folks, Stay on topic. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Argus Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: When the British were on top of the world, and had basically just finished whooping up on the French in North America, America pulling that off was essentially considered impossible, until a ragtag group of Revolutionary Americans proved it wasn't. The Miracle and The Shot Heard Round The World, are labels that don't even do it justice, really. You do know that the British gave up because they figured you weren't worth the effort, right? The calculation was much the same as the US has made from time to time, where the cost in troops and effort wasn't really worth fighting a given group. It's not that the British didn't think they could win, it's that they didn't want to waste the gold and troops to do it. They had better, richer places than the US to colonize, places that were much more profitable. North American was not really seen as all that desirable, witness France trading all of their north American territories to the British in exchange for Haiti. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: It really is. Commies f*** everything up, especially revolutions against monarchs. They are so bad at it, they couldn't f*** up harder, if they were deliberately trying to f*** up. Pretty much the only thing they are good for is getting themselves killed by the very regime they help put in power. You mean like the US spending tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars to defend themselves against terrorism inspired by their 'friend' Saudi Arabia? You guys keep them in power and in exchange, they inspire every Muslim terrorist in the world to attack you. Sounds fair! "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Charles Anthony said: Folks, Stay on topic. Last I checked the Chinese are communists, and pretty much the only thing they are good for, is getting killed by the regime they helped put in power. Shutting down every little side tangent is a little tiresome, I gotta say, I get trying to keep things on topic as a moderator, but there is a thing called overkill.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Argus said: You mean like the US spending tens of billions if not hundreds of billions of dollars to defend themselves against terrorism inspired by their 'friend' Saudi Arabia? You guys keep them in power and in exchange, they inspire every Muslim terrorist in the world to attack you. Sounds fair! When you're number one, a lot people hate on you, no matter what you do, including terrorists. Acting like terrorists would never attack America if they had a different foreign policy is to project on the terrorists, sure US foreign policy has occasionally made for a good recruiting tool for terrorists, but without it, there would be plenty of terrorism and they'd likely target the United States. Also when it comes to communists screwing the pooch, China inspires plenty of terrorism itself, or haven't you noticed? Quote You do know that the British gave up because they figured you weren't worth the effort, right? The calculation was much the same as the US has made from time to time, where the cost in troops and effort wasn't really worth fighting a given group. It's not that the British didn't think they could win, it's that they didn't want to waste the gold and troops to do it. They had better, richer places than the US to colonize, places that were much more profitable. North American was not really seen as all that desirable, witness France trading all of their north American territories to the British in exchange for Haiti. Making your opponent quit the fight because they don't think the fight is worth it anymore, especially when it's the British Empire at the top of it's game, impressive as f***, quite the upset, even in hindsight. Also, The US not being all that desirable is clearly partially a backwards rationalization on the part of British Empire to fool themselves into thinking losing wasn't that bad anyway, "At Least We Didn't Lose India" lulz. As for something a little more on topic: Canada suspending relations with China, would hurt Canada far more than it hurts China, so obviously, it's a bad idea to do so, and not mention it's vacuous virtue signaling which will accomplish nothing. China isn't going to clean up it's act because Canada tries to push them around, if anything, Canada is going to come begging to China to forgive them for trying to force China to clean up their act, when they finally come to their senses, if they ever went down that road for some baffling reason. Edited January 29, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Argus Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: When you're number one, a lot people hate on you, no matter what you do, including terrorists. Acting like terrorists would never attack America if they had a different foreign policy is to project on the terrorists, sure US foreign policy has occasionally made for a good recruiting tool for terrorists, but without it, there would be plenty of terrorism and they'd likely target the United States. Perhaps you failed to understand what I wrote. The U.S. has a robust policy of protecting its interests around the world, and it HAS interests around the world. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about doing your level best to suck up to a regime which despises you and which spends tens of billions of dollars printing materials, distributing materials, paying for schools, mosques, teachers and community centres around the world where Muslims are taught to hate Americans and other westerners. All the terrorist groups which have afflicted the US over the past twenty years have been inspired by Saudi Wahhabi teachings, from Al Quaeda to ISIS, from Al Shabaab to Boko Haram. And every new president makes a mandatory visit to SA to slobber over the feet of the king. 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: As for something a little more on topic: Canada suspending relations with China, would hurt Canada far more than it hurts China, so obviously, it's a bad idea to do so, and not mention it's vacuous virtue signaling which will accomplish nothing. China isn't going to clean up it's act because Canada tries to push them around, if anything, Canada is going to come begging to China to forgive them for trying to force China to clean up their act, when they finally come to their senses, if they ever went down that road for some baffling reason. Canada doesn't need China for anything. What it ought to do is close and ban all those Chinese "Confucius" society organizations in Canada which are nothing more than propaganda and espionage agencies for the Chinese. It needs to stop accepting Chinese students and temporary foreign workers. It needs to bar Chinese companies from purchasing Canadian companies or operating in Canada. It needs to stop Canadian universities conducting research for Chinese companies. And it needs to drastically increase it's screening on Chinese immigrants to Canada, and it's monitoring of Chinese intelligence operatives in Canada. It also needs to do more to combat Chinese computer hacking. If China wants to continue trade after that, that's okay. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) del Edited January 29, 2019 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: Last I checked the Chinese are communists, and pretty much the only thing they are good for, is getting killed by the regime they helped put in power. Shutting down every little side tangent is a little tiresome, I gotta say, I get trying to keep things on topic as a moderator, but there is a thing called overkill. I suspect he was referring to your rah-rah Merika posts. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Argus said: Perhaps you failed to understand what I wrote. The U.S. has a robust policy of protecting its interests around the world, and it HAS interests around the world. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about doing your level best to suck up to a regime which despises you and which spends tens of billions of dollars printing materials, distributing materials, paying for schools, mosques, teachers and community centres around the world where Muslims are taught to hate Americans and other westerners. All the terrorist groups which have afflicted the US over the past twenty years have been inspired by Saudi Wahhabi teachings, from Al Quaeda to ISIS, from Al Shabaab to Boko Haram. And every new president makes a mandatory visit to SA to slobber over the feet of the king. Canada doesn't need China for anything. What it ought to do is close and ban all those Chinese "Confucius" society organizations in Canada which are nothing more than propaganda and espionage agencies for the Chinese. It needs to stop accepting Chinese students and temporary foreign workers. It needs to bar Chinese companies from purchasing Canadian companies or operating in Canada. It needs to stop Canadian universities conducting research for Chinese companies. And it needs to drastically increase it's screening on Chinese immigrants to Canada, and it's monitoring of Chinese intelligence operatives in Canada. It also needs to do more to combat Chinese computer hacking. If China wants to continue trade after that, that's okay. I, for one, don't think that regime change is Saudi Arabia is the way to go, that would just make things worse terrorism wise. There is no good option to rule Saudi Arabia, so you deal with the least worst option, makes plenty of sense. Canada needs China more than China needs Canada, I see no reason to deny the "Confucius" society type organizations the right to free speech, I see no reason not to take Chinese students or foreign workers. I see no reason to prevent Chinese companies from investing in Canada, and I don't see screening on Chinese immigrants to be as lax as you seem to imagine. You want to ramp up combating Chinese hackers, that I can get on board with, the rest of your post is simply an ill-founded anti-Chinese diatribe. Quote I suspect he was referring to your rah-rah Merika posts. Last I checked, comparing America to Canada, and to Commies, like the Chinese, is part of the topic being discussed, saying it's off topic to discuss some of America's admirable qualities in relation to some of China and Canada's flaws is overkill on moderating related side tangents. Edited January 29, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 What's wrong with rah-rah America? Americans is my kin. America is not the problem, the only problem in America is the Yankees. Contrary to popular sentiment Canadian tho, not all Americans are the Yankees.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: What's wrong with rah-rah America? Americans is my kin. America is not the problem, the only problem in America is the Yankees. Contrary to popular sentiment Canadian tho, not all Americans are the Yankees. Canada shouldn't suspend relations with either America or China, yet somehow, comparing America to Canada or China, in part to make that point, is off-topic. Moderator Overkill.
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Last I checked, comparing America to Canada, and to Commies, like the Chinese, is part of the topic being discussed, saying it's off topic to discuss some of America's admirable qualities in relation to some of China and Canada's flaws is overkill on moderating related side tangents. Moreover, the China situation which Canada would supposedly suspend relations over, is entirely related to the Rah-Rah Merikans v. the Franco-Chinese Commies.
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Canada shouldn't suspend relations with either America or China, yet somehow, comparing America to Canada or China, in part to make that point, is off-topic. Moderator Overkill. Yeah, I told you it was a snowflake forum, any boat rocking and there is some rubric fabricated for the moderator to shut it down. What they call "moderating" here, is really just editing. It's not to keep things on the rails, its prima facie to keep the Overton Window tight. On the other hand, it's pretty swanky in terms of features. And perfectly suitable for hockey talk if the thread over policing becomes intolerable. Edited January 29, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Moreover, the China situation which Canada would supposedly suspend relations over, is entirely related to the Rah-Rah Merikans v. the Franco-Chinese Commies. It's not off-topic, it's just an insightful related side tangent, but forum moderation apparently doesn't cotton such high level discussion of a topic, and considers that to be off-topic. Oh well, they are only hurting themselves if they want to shut down a thread for that reason, no insight for them.
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: It's not off-topic, it's just an insightful related side tangent, but forum moderation apparently doesn't cotton such high level discussion of a topic, and considers that to be off-topic. Oh well, they are only hurting themselves if they want to shut down a thread for that reason, no insight for them. Yeah, it ain't exactly an imagination factory around here. Obtuse City. But whatever, when in Rome. It's not like I would want the moderators job, so I don't bother giving Charles Anthony guff, his house, his rules. Edited January 29, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Yeah, it ain't exactly an imagination factory around here. Obtuse City. But whatever, when in Rome. It's not like I would want the moderators job, so I don't bother giving Charles Anthony guff, his house, his rules. Yeah, wouldn't touch the moderators jobs with a ten foot pole, Kath Knows. His house, his rules indeed, but we aren't breaking any rules, and he's being a touch heavy handed, though he's obviously within his rights to do so. When in Rome, do as the Romans do, I'm down, but moderation would be wise to ease up, though they are free to ignore that advice. Edited January 29, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Yeah, wouldn't touch the moderators jobs with a ten foot pole, Kath Knows. His house, his rules indeed, but we aren't breaking any rules, and he's being a touch heavy handed, though he's obviously within his rights to do so. Basically this forum is just Canada for all intents and purposes, we've just spent so much time in the Liberty Nation, Canada is revealed as being the overweening white knuckled Nanny Police State that it is, upon return whence we came.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Basically this forum is just Canada for all intents and purposes, we've just spent so much time in the Liberty Nation, Canada is revealed as being the overweening white knuckled Nanny Police State that it is, upon return whence we came. I expected as much coming in, no real surprises there. This thread topic is a perfect example of that, because Canada is caught in the middle of a Rah-Rah Merica' and Franco-Commie China trade dispute, the White Knuckled Nanny Police Staters of the forum demand that Canada virtue signal that it has the moral high ground on China by suspending relations with them. Even when it's pointed out that doing so would hurt Canada and Canadians more than it hurts China and the Chinese, they simply do not care, all that matter to them is the virtue signaling, consequences be damned. Edited January 29, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: I expected as much coming in, no real surprises there. This thread topic is a perfect example of that, because Canada is caught in the middle of American and Chinese trade dispute, the White Knuckled Nanny Police Staters demand that Canada virtue signal that it has the moral high ground on China by suspending relations with them, even when it's pointed out that doing so would hurt Canada more than it hurts China. It's so Canada, they have every Canadian archetype here, the Nanny Socialist wing and the Nanny Prohibitionist wing dominating the Canadian conversation as per usual, boat rockers are to be shunned. lol. Mind you, Bush_Cheney is flying the flag for Liberty Nation, and he operates within the confines of the Nanny Police State quite easily, so I'll just follow his lead.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: It's so Canada, they have every Canadian archetype here, the Nanny Socialist wing and the Nanny Prohibitionist wing dominating the Canadian conversation as per usual, boat rockers are to be shunned. lol. Mind you, Bush_Cheney is flying the flag for Liberty Nation, and he operates within the confines of the Nanny Police State quite easily, so I'll just follow his lead. Yeah Bush_Cheney knows the path to victory, and we can easily beat up on the forum, even with one hand tied behind our back, so no big deal. If they don't want to hear how unrealistic their ideals are in the face of reality, well that's to be expected.
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Yeah Bush_Cheney knows the path to victory, and we can easily beat up on the forum, even with one hand tied behind our back, so no big deal. If they don't want to hear how unrealistic their ideals are in the face of reality, well that's to be expected. I don't even feel the need to beat up on them, in Liberty Nation I'll throw some blocks, pick and roll, throw a punch upside some Yankees head, but this is Canada, and is typically sedate and powdered with snowflakes therein, but they're harmless, and moreover subjects of the Crown, so I feel no need to rumble here.
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 Queen's Peace in effect, Charles Anthony the local constable, thus is the way in Canader. GSTQ-TMLF
Yzermandius19 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I don't even feel the need to beat up on them, in Liberty Nation I'll throw some blocks, pick and roll, throw a punch upside some Yankees head, but this is Canada, and is typically sedate and powdered with snowflakes therein, but they're harmless, and moreover subjects of the Crown, so I feel no need to rumble here. No need to rumble here indeed, we can win an argument quite easily without resorting to that, if the harmless Eskimo Communists want to ignore reality because it conflicts with their ideals, it's no skin off our back. Brock and Tecumseh can lead a snowflake horse to water but they can't make them drink, but the flight to quality continues unabated no matter how stubborn they are. Quote Queen's Peace in effect, Charles Anthony the local constable, thus is the way in Canader. GSTQ-TMLF It's true, it's damn true. But suspending relations with China? Edited January 29, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: No need to rumble here indeed, we can win an argument quite easily without resorting to that, if the harmless Eskimo Communists want to ignore reality because it conflicts with their ideals, it's no skin off our back. Brock and Tecumseh can lead a snowflake horse to water but they can't make them drink, but the flight to quality continues unabated no matter how stubborn they are. I don't even feel much need to argue, fool's errand, I simply call it like I see it and publish it to the internet as a scratch pad e-book for all intents and purposes, by way of the Invision Community internet publishing service. As our friend down south says "you write your book, I'll write mine" Barely any argument here at all, it's 90% fallacious, so all you can do is point out which fallacy is being peddled, at 90% fallacy yield, there's nothing much there to argue with anyways. Edited January 29, 2019 by Dougie93
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