Argus Posted December 31, 2018 Report Posted December 31, 2018 It was an announcement of a massive spending spree on infrastructure that was going to be a big boost to Canada's economy in the midst of the oil gloom which caught people's attention. Four years later and very little of it has happened. The project is a mess, spread across dozens of departments, and almost impossible to track. Or as former parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page says, so lacking in transparency it almost looks like it was designed to be that way. When Trudeau took office as prime minister later that fall, the spending plan became a centrepiece of his mandate, totalling a mammoth $186.7 billion over 12 years. That enormous pool of money came alongside lofty ambitions: It would reinvigorate Canada’s aging roadways and bridges, expand public transit, build green energy assets and widen access to social housing in the North, among other things. The plan amounts to roughly $5,186 for every Canadian citizen over the next decade. The C.D. Howe Institute, a think tank, called the program one of the biggest infrastructure commitments in Canadian history. Three years later, however, the program has fulfilled few of its lofty ambitions. The initial rollout of the program was hobbled by delays, forcing Department of Finance officials to push billions worth of planned spending into the future. Ottawa’s budget watchdog found gaping holes in how spending was being tracked and reported, revealing a program that seems to lack organization and transparency. Meanwhile, provincial spending on infrastructure, long expected to rise in tandem with the federal plan, have instead fallen, wiping out a key assumption in the Liberal plan. The expected economic benefits have also failed to materialize. In the 2016 federal budget, the Liberal government estimated the infrastructure program would raise Canadian GDP by 0.4 per cent in fiscal 2017-18. An August report from the Parliamentary Budget Officer estimates the program actually increased GDP between just 0.13 and 0.16 per cent. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/years-into-the-liberals-ambitious-infrastructure-program-have-the-promised-economic-benefits-borne-out/wcm/54886b48-fb8a-4a90-b7f0-8a5b2f1fbf2d Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
AngusThermopyle Posted December 31, 2018 Report Posted December 31, 2018 But...but...but...we got some buses! Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
montgomery Posted January 1, 2019 Report Posted January 1, 2019 The Liberals are doing a fine job of keeping taxes under control and the infrastructure in acceptable shape. Far better than the infrastructure in the US! Anybody who wants to see the comparison between the US's greedy far right capitalism and our socially responsible Liberal capitalism need only travel on their roads for a short time. If you go take a couple of spare tires! OH, and body armour to protect you from all the lead bullets in the air! Conservatives can never accept a happy medium for Canada. If it's not trying to destroy our health care system, in cahoots with the Fraser Institute, then it's asking for lower taxes while promoting ideas of spending more on the infrastructure. Give the Conservatives another chance and they be following Trump's lead for our country too. Quote
Argus Posted January 1, 2019 Author Report Posted January 1, 2019 2 hours ago, montgomery said: The Liberals are doing a fine job of keeping taxes under control and the infrastructure in acceptable shape. Virtually all our infrastructure needs tens of billions of dollars worth of overdue maintenance, which has been neglected for decades. And both taxes and deficits have risen under Trudeau. 2 hours ago, montgomery said: Conservatives can never accept a happy medium for Canada. If it's not trying to destroy our health care system, in cahoots with the Fraser Institute, then it's asking for lower taxes while promoting ideas of spending more on the infrastructure. Give the Conservatives another chance and they be following Trump's lead for our country too. Conservatives feel that doing away with the massive amounts of bureaucracy and red tape which restricts our private sector, especially the resource sector, will produce sufficient additional income to be able to do better infrastructure maintenance and also cut the deficit. They also do not tend to suffer from the belief that the government is mommy, and must solve all our problems for us - by taking ever increasing amounts of money from us. The government NEEDS to do a number of things (including health care) - few of which it does properly. It does not NEED to do much of what it does. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 1, 2019 Report Posted January 1, 2019 4 hours ago, montgomery said: The Liberals are doing a fine job of keeping taxes under control and the infrastructure in acceptable shape. Far better than the infrastructure in the US! Anybody who wants to see the comparison between the US's greedy far right capitalism and our socially responsible Liberal capitalism need only travel on their roads for a short time. Actually, many Canadian truckers prefer to move goods east-west on the U.S. interstate highway system. When Ontario's brand new replacement bridge failed at Nipigon (single point of failure for the highway system) in 2016, the official government detour was through the United States. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
montgomery Posted January 2, 2019 Report Posted January 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Argus said: Virtually all our infrastructure needs tens of billions of dollars worth of overdue maintenance, which has been neglected for decades. And both taxes and deficits have risen under Trudeau. Conservatives feel that doing away with the massive amounts of bureaucracy and red tape which restricts our private sector, especially the resource sector, will produce sufficient additional income to be able to do better infrastructure maintenance and also cut the deficit. They also do not tend to suffer from the belief that the government is mommy, and must solve all our problems for us - by taking ever increasing amounts of money from us. The government NEEDS to do a number of things (including health care) - few of which it does properly. It does not NEED to do much of what it does. I know all about how conservatism works. They appeal to the lowest in people. They don't understand rehabilitation in our prison system. They want revenge. They don't understand how universal health care needs to work, they want a two tiered system to give a leg up to the wealthy. They don't want equitable taxation, they want something like Supply side economics which is supposed to work by lowering the taxes of the wealthy. And in general, cons don't want anything good for the people of Canada that would resemble the happiest countries in the world. (find out who they are if you care) Cons want something similar to the US gongshow. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 2, 2019 Report Posted January 2, 2019 Infrastructure incompetence in Ontario....Liberals doing it the Liberal party way: Auditor general reveals astonishing details of the Ontario Liberals' infrastructure incompetence 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted January 2, 2019 Author Report Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, montgomery said: I know all about how conservatism works. That would be a more convincing statement if you didn't transition into a fanatical rant which shows you don't know a thing about conservatism. They appeal to the lowest in people. Seems to me the lowest common denominator is "Vote for us and we'll give you stuff for free! Don't worry! Someone else will pay!" which is the hallmark of the Left. Edited January 2, 2019 by Argus 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
AngusThermopyle Posted January 2, 2019 Report Posted January 2, 2019 15 hours ago, montgomery said: I know all about how conservatism works. They appeal to the lowest in people. They don't understand rehabilitation in our prison system. They want revenge. They don't understand how universal health care needs to work, they want a two tiered system to give a leg up to the wealthy. They don't want equitable taxation, they want something like Supply side economics which is supposed to work by lowering the taxes of the wealthy. And in general, cons don't want anything good for the people of Canada that would resemble the happiest countries in the world. (find out who they are if you care) Cons want something similar to the US gongshow. From your post it would appear that the only thing you know about is hysterical generalizations based only on the voices in your head. How about giving us examples of these things you claim instead of just demented ranting? For example, you can show how Harper and the Conservatives were destroying health care by increasing the healthcare budget every year. Or you could show us how they didn't want equitable taxation by lowering taxes for the average person instead of increasing them like the current Liberals. Those are just a couple of suggestions, you can come up with others on your own since it was your flight of fancy that prompted this. 1 1 Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
montgomery Posted January 2, 2019 Report Posted January 2, 2019 3 hours ago, AngusThermopyle said: From your post it would appear that the only thing you know about is hysterical generalizations based only on the voices in your head. How about giving us examples of these things you claim instead of just demented ranting? For example, you can show how Harper and the Conservatives were destroying health care by increasing the healthcare budget every year. Or you could show us how they didn't want equitable taxation by lowering taxes for the average person instead of increasing them like the current Liberals. Those are just a couple of suggestions, you can come up with others on your own since it was your flight of fancy that prompted this. Let's stick to the topic and not avoid the real issue. Our wellbeing under the Trudeau government is most important. The Conservative tactic is strictly political and has little to do with the welfare of Canadians. The Conservative tactic is: Never be happy with how the Liberals look after our infrastructure. If the Liberals spend more then they will condemnt Trudeau for spending and increasing taxes. If the Liberals spend less then the Cons will condemn Trudeau for letting the infrastructure decay. The Conservative agenda is all about getting back into power so they can enrich wealthy Canadians and impoverish the ordinary people. The Con dream is a carbon copy of what America already has and is getting shoved down their throats with Trump. In truth, we could trade off Alberta for California and everybody concerned would be much more politically content. (tongue in cheek but you get the picture.) And way of the future for Canada is socially responsible government, not something that resembles the extreme rightist mess the US has become. You need to listen to Chris Hedges, an American who understands that his country is heading for disaster. Not Trump, who may be your idol, but who is seen by the rest of the world as a crazy psychopath. Quote
turningrite Posted January 2, 2019 Report Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, montgomery said: Let's stick to the topic and not avoid the real issue. Our wellbeing under the Trudeau government is most important. The Conservative tactic is strictly political and has little to do with the welfare of Canadians. The Conservative tactic is: Never be happy with how the Liberals look after our infrastructure. If the Liberals spend more then they will condemnt Trudeau for spending and increasing taxes. If the Liberals spend less then the Cons will condemn Trudeau for letting the infrastructure decay. The Conservative agenda is all about getting back into power so they can enrich wealthy Canadians and impoverish the ordinary people. The Con dream is a carbon copy of what America already has and is getting shoved down their throats with Trump. In truth, we could trade off Alberta for California and everybody concerned would be much more politically content. (tongue in cheek but you get the picture.) And way of the future for Canada is socially responsible government, not something that resembles the extreme rightist mess the US has become. You need to listen to Chris Hedges, an American who understands that his country is heading for disaster. Not Trump, who may be your idol, but who is seen by the rest of the world as a crazy psychopath. Let's be honest here. The overarching tactic employed by both of Canada's major political parties when in government has been to identify and buy off voting blocs. Anybody who believes otherwise doesn't understand Canadian politics. And the concept of "socially responsible" government is simply a smoke screen. Governments have a primary obligation to be responsible to all voters and particularly to taxpayers. In practice, the application of the concept of social responsibility has too often resulted in governments picking (their preferred) winners to the detriment of the legitimate interests of others. In reality, it's no way to run a successful country. Governments cannot and should not guarantee equality of outcomes. Just a hint here: Governments in general have a bad track record where social engineering schemes are concerned. Edited January 2, 2019 by turningrite 1 Quote
Argus Posted January 2, 2019 Author Report Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, montgomery said: Let's stick to the topic and not avoid the real issue. Why don't you just answer the questions? Afraid to? Quote Our wellbeing under the Trudeau government is most important. Some of us are more concerned about where we're headed than where we are, and where ever growing mountains of debt will lead us. Quote The Conservative agenda is all about getting back into power so they can enrich wealthy Canadians and impoverish the ordinary people. Odd how they did the opposite last time around. Very odd, that. Got an explanation for it? Edited January 2, 2019 by Argus 2 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
montgomery Posted January 3, 2019 Report Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Argus said: Why don't you just answer the questions? Afraid to? Some of us are more concerned about where we're headed than where we are, and where ever growing mountains of debt will lead us. Odd how they did the opposite last time around. Very odd, that. Got an explanation for it? Yeah, I've now got an explanation for everything you try to pass off on me. It's all cleverly concocted Conservative lies and the bit that isn't is just your spewing of hate against other races and ordinary working Canadians. 2 hours ago, turningrite said: Let's be honest here. The overarching tactic employed by both of Canada's major political parties when in government has been to identify and buy off voting blocs. Anybody who believes otherwise doesn't understand Canadian politics. And the concept of "socially responsible" government is simply a smoke screen. Governments have a primary obligation to be responsible to all voters and particularly to taxpayers. In practice, the application of the concept of social responsibility has too often resulted in governments picking (their preferred) winners to the detriment of the legitimate interests of others. In reality, it's no way to run a successful country. Governments cannot and should not guarantee equality of outcomes. Just a hint here: Governments in general have a bad track record where social engineering schemes are concerned. You're only telling me more about 'you' and your exclusionist hateful priorities. You obviously don't understand Social responsibility in government' because you have no feeling within you for the rest of our fellow Canadians. Tell us more about how you would prefer US style greedy capitalism of the style their psychopath president has brought them. And how about telling a bit about Scheer's plan to make Canada more like the US, which you praise and slobber over so much. We know all about how the Cons need to lie about their agenda until they can get back in power. Quote
Argus Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, montgomery said: Instead of making stuff up about people maybe you should just answer the questions put to you. Quit running away from them. 2 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
AngusThermopyle Posted January 3, 2019 Report Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Argus said: Instead of making stuff up about people maybe you should just answer the questions put to you. Quit running away from them. He just answered them to the best of his ability. That is he just doubled down on the hysterics and emotional ranting based on nothing more than the voices in his head. I had a feeling that would be all he could do, so many of them are the same. Make outlandish claims and generalizations based on nothing, then claim they're facts. 1 Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
cannuck Posted January 3, 2019 Report Posted January 3, 2019 Well, Monty is a little bit right....sorry, I really meant to say a little bit correct as any thought of him being anywhere but on the left fringe of reality would be ludicrous. Yes, the US infrastructure has a lot more deficit for maintenance and upgrading than that in Canada. Reason? They HAVE a great deal of infrastructure that we do not. Take the interstate system as an example. We don't have even ONE limited access highway that crosses the county. Not hard to maintain what you don't have. The only road we DO have is not at all limited or even controlled access and is a 90kph single lane death trap for most of its length through the richest and most populous province of all. When I have an all-too-frequent brain fart and try to build something in Canada - I am immediately beset by transportation costs that instantly make the product uncompetitive with something I can build South of 49. We're not talking a few percent, but orders of magnitude greater transportation costs here vs. that crumbling infrastructure of the US. Monty's problem seems to be that he is only reading from the Liberal talking notes and has yet to venture out from his Mom's basement. Quote
montgomery Posted January 3, 2019 Report Posted January 3, 2019 5 hours ago, cannuck said: Well, Monty is a little bit right....sorry, I really meant to say a little bit correct as any thought of him being anywhere but on the left fringe of reality would be ludicrous. Yes, the US infrastructure has a lot more deficit for maintenance and upgrading than that in Canada. Reason? They HAVE a great deal of infrastructure that we do not. Take the interstate system as an example. We don't have even ONE limited access highway that crosses the county. Not hard to maintain what you don't have. The only road we DO have is not at all limited or even controlled access and is a 90kph single lane death trap for most of its length through the richest and most populous province of all. When I have an all-too-frequent brain fart and try to build something in Canada - I am immediately beset by transportation costs that instantly make the product uncompetitive with something I can build South of 49. We're not talking a few percent, but orders of magnitude greater transportation costs here vs. that crumbling infrastructure of the US. Monty's problem seems to be that he is only reading from the Liberal talking notes and has yet to venture out from his Mom's basement. I am definitely leftist and will probably be seen as extreme leftist by many. The Trump Nazi regime of the US has moved Canadians further right too. Scheer and the Cons will follow suit because they are likely aware of how it works so well with a large portion of the people. Hitler used the tactic on his people by demonizing the Jews, Trump uses it by demonizing people of colour and non-Christians. Scheer and his Conservatives are already definitely onto Muslims and Syrians or other people of the region. Deficit 'for' maintenance and upgrading? Whst's that? Are you trying to say they aren't looking after their infrastructure as well as Canada? If so you're right. But how do you think we should limit access for some road or roads? I don't read only from Liberal talking notes, I read that which would likely be seen by you to be much more leftist. Richard Wolfe, Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, and a few more of their like. I'm very much a supporter of the Scandinavian model of socially responsible capitalism. If you don't understand what that is, just ask me. That which is "Isn't", is anything similar to US style greedy capitalism or that which the CPC would like to make Canada over to becoming. The CPC and Scheer being in cahoots with the Fraser Institute which wants to destroy our health care system, should be a beg enough hint to make Canadians suspicous! Quote
Army Guy Posted January 3, 2019 Report Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, montgomery said: I am definitely leftist and will probably be seen as extreme leftist by many. The Trump Nazi regime of the US has moved Canadians further right too. Scheer and the Cons will follow suit because they are likely aware of how it works so well with a large portion of the people. Hitler used the tactic on his people by demonizing the Jews, Trump uses it by demonizing people of colour and non-Christians. Scheer and his Conservatives are already definitely onto Muslims and Syrians or other people of the region. Deficit 'for' maintenance and upgrading? Whst's that? Are you trying to say they aren't looking after their infrastructure as well as Canada? If so you're right. But how do you think we should limit access for some road or roads? I don't read only from Liberal talking notes, I read that which would likely be seen by you to be much more leftist. Richard Wolfe, Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, and a few more of their like. I'm very much a supporter of the Scandinavian model of socially responsible capitalism. If you don't understand what that is, just ask me. That which is "Isn't", is anything similar to US style greedy capitalism or that which the CPC would like to make Canada over to becoming. The CPC and Scheer being in cahoots with the Fraser Institute which wants to destroy our health care system, should be a beg enough hint to make Canadians suspicous! WTF have you been smoking, you sound like one of those Antifa protestors, you know the ones that cover their faces, pick fights, and start riots because they can't get their way..... when in reality all they do is bitch and moan they are not given everything on a silver plater....I mean just look at the language your using , comparing the trump administration to the NAZI regime.....you do have some knowledge of the NAZI regime right, 60 million people perished in that war trying to extinguish the Nazi movement.....and yet some how you can compare them to Trump.....what every credibility you had just went out the window.... Moving Scheer and the rest of Canadians further right....Scheer and his cons are more centrist than right....one of the largest complaints of the Conservative party from Canadians....we do need more of the right..... Attacking Muslims and Syrians....another WTF are you talking about.... perhaps you can provide some examples Adolf....or are you the type of guy that can not support his argument with any real sources.... Another liberal tactic, is deflection....if it is every time a question is ask of them they have to compare their record to Harpers government or when that does not work then it's comparing themselves to the US, and trump....Harper was voted out on a campaign of anything but harper shitheads....so he is gone....as for the US we live in Canada lets stick to that....Justin promised the citizens the moon and all he has delivered so far is pot.....and he barely did that....so what has the liberals done to spend that 187 BIL dollars to fix our huge infra structure deficit …..what other promises is he going to keep.... Are you saying that our health system is in perfect working order, because my experiences with our health system is not all positive....and a revamp is needed according to a majority of Canadians ( liberals included) 3 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
montgomery Posted January 4, 2019 Report Posted January 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Army Guy said: WTF have you been smoking, you sound like one of those Antifa protestors, you know the ones that cover their faces, pick fights, and start riots because they can't get their way..... when in reality all they do is bitch and moan they are not given everything on a silver plater....I mean just look at the language your using , comparing the trump administration to the NAZI regime.....you do have some knowledge of the NAZI regime right, 60 million people perished in that war trying to extinguish the Nazi movement.....and yet some how you can compare them to Trump.....what every credibility you had just went out the window.... Moving Scheer and the rest of Canadians further right....Scheer and his cons are more centrist than right....one of the largest complaints of the Conservative party from Canadians....we do need more of the right..... Attacking Muslims and Syrians....another WTF are you talking about.... perhaps you can provide some examples Adolf....or are you the type of guy that can not support his argument with any real sources.... Another liberal tactic, is deflection....if it is every time a question is ask of them they have to compare their record to Harpers government or when that does not work then it's comparing themselves to the US, and trump....Harper was voted out on a campaign of anything but harper shitheads....so he is gone....as for the US we live in Canada lets stick to that....Justin promised the citizens the moon and all he has delivered so far is pot.....and he barely did that....so what has the liberals done to spend that 187 BIL dollars to fix our huge infra structure deficit …..what other promises is he going to keep.... Are you saying that our health system is in perfect working order, because my experiences with our health system is not all positive....and a revamp is needed according to a majority of Canadians ( liberals included) Yes, I'm comparing Trump to Hitler but the way in whch I made the comparison was too complicated for you and went right over your head. Try to understand what I said and then bring it up again if you like. And I'll go one better too! I compare the US with it's 40 wars of aggression since WW2 as the closest to any regime since that war. The tens of millions the US has slaughtered throughout the world since WW2 is unequalled. If not for Russia/Putin they would be slaughtering people in Iran as we speak. Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah. etc. I dint suggest that our health care system is in perfect working order. And I think you're making up your bad experience too. If you want to whine about it go ahead. I did make a comparison between the US system and ours. Ours is rated quite a bit higher and theirs is the worst of all the modern first world countries. Surely Shirley, you're not trying to say something good about that cluster----? If you're really in the army I hope you aren't doing this on the public's dime. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2019 Report Posted January 4, 2019 The Liberals were turfed in Ontario for being hopelessly incompetent on infrastructure projects and many other things....blaming Trump won't work. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cannuck Posted January 4, 2019 Report Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, montgomery said: I am definitely leftist and will probably be seen as extreme leftist by many. The Trump Nazi regime of the US has moved Canadians further right too. Scheer and the Cons will follow suit because they are likely aware of how it works so well with a large portion of the people. Hitler used the tactic on his people by demonizing the Jews, Trump uses it by demonizing people of colour and non-Christians. Scheer and his Conservatives are already definitely onto Muslims and Syrians or other people of the region. Deficit 'for' maintenance and upgrading? Whst's that? Are you trying to say they aren't looking after their infrastructure as well as Canada? If so you're right. But how do you think we should limit access for some road or roads? I don't read only from Liberal talking notes, I read that which would likely be seen by you to be much more leftist. Richard Wolfe, Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, and a few more of their like. I'm very much a supporter of the Scandinavian model of socially responsible capitalism. If you don't understand what that is, just ask me. That which is "Isn't", is anything similar to US style greedy capitalism or that which the CPC would like to make Canada over to becoming. The CPC and Scheer being in cahoots with the Fraser Institute which wants to destroy our health care system, should be a beg enough hint to make Canadians suspicous! Excuse me while I LMFAO. Trump is hardly a fan of the National Socialist Party! Your favourite whipping boy Adolph is YOUR fellow traveler, not The Donald's. You seem to have missed my point about infrastructure conditions: We simply don't have very much of it to be maintained, the Yanks do. That is not on any one political party, BTW. A "limited access" road means just what it says. You can't just drive onto it by crossing traffic. ALL interstates are limited access roads. Quote
montgomery Posted January 4, 2019 Report Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, cannuck said: Excuse me while I LMFAO. Trump is hardly a fan of the National Socialist Party! Your favourite whipping boy Adolph is YOUR fellow traveler, not The Donald's. You seem to have missed my point about infrastructure conditions: We simply don't have very much of it to be maintained, the Yanks do. That is not on any one political party, BTW. A "limited access" road means just what it says. You can't just drive onto it by crossing traffic. ALL interstates are limited access roads. Ask the Cons to build your limited access road the next time they're in power. They're more liable to stop all maintenance on what we already have. Which incidentally is quite fine the way it is. We may need something that will hadle higher volume after we allow ten million or so Chinese people into Canada! Far better than inviting lazy whiteys! Quote
Hates politicians Posted January 4, 2019 Report Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 12:45 PM, montgomery said: Let's stick to the topic and not avoid the real issue. Our wellbeing under the Trudeau government is most important. The Conservative tactic is strictly political and has little to do with the welfare of Canadians. The Conservative tactic is: Never be happy with how the Liberals look after our infrastructure. If the Liberals spend more then they will condemnt Trudeau for spending and increasing taxes. If the Liberals spend less then the Cons will condemn Trudeau for letting the infrastructure decay. The Conservative agenda is all about getting back into power so they can enrich wealthy Canadians and impoverish the ordinary people. The Con dream is a carbon copy of what America already has and is getting shoved down their throats with Trump. In truth, we could trade off Alberta for California and everybody concerned would be much more politically content. (tongue in cheek but you get the picture.) And way of the future for Canada is socially responsible government, not something that resembles the extreme rightist mess the US has become. You need to listen to Chris Hedges, an American who understands that his country is heading for disaster. Not Trump, who may be your idol, but who is seen by the rest of the world as a crazy psychopath. Our well being under shithead is completely unimportant. He himself is the only thing important to himsrlf Quote
montgomery Posted January 4, 2019 Report Posted January 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, Hates politicians said: Our well being under shithead is completely unimportant. He himself is the only thing important to himsrlf Can't you express your opinions without profanity? Quote
Army Guy Posted January 4, 2019 Report Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, montgomery said: , I'm comparing Trump to Hitler but the way in whch I made the comparison was too complicated for you and went right over your head. Try to understand what I said and then bring it up again if you like. And I'll go one better too! I compare the US with it's 40 wars of aggression since WW2 as the closest to any regime since that war. The tens of millions the US has slaughtered throughout the world since WW2 is unequalled. If not for Russia/Putin they would be slaughtering people in Iran as we speak. Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah. etc. I dint suggest that our health care system is in perfect working order. And I think you're making up your bad experience too. If you want to whine about it go ahead. I did make a comparison between the US system and ours. Ours is rated quite a bit higher and theirs is the worst of all the modern first world countries. Surely Shirley, you're not trying to say something good about that cluster----? If you're really in the army I hope you aren't doing this on the public's dime. Another Liberal tactic, when your liberal opinions are called into questioned by anyone, your accused of being not smart enough to understand them...And yet I'm not the one that is frothing at the mouth, trying to attack something you know nothing about.... So let me understand something , the "Trump" administration is responsible for the 40 years of US history, dating back to after the second world war.....Thats a a huge reach ….maybe you can give us some examples of how trump who for us that were awake during history class, is reasonable for 40 years of aggression....MAYBE you can show us what aggression Trump has shown in the last 3 years, IN CASE you did not know Trump was elected in 2016, and before that he was not in office, nor did he have enough influence in the US government to accomplish what you accused him of that could be considered even coming close to what the NAZI's did in their reign of terror.....More liberal false news....This must be one of those times when you type something but really mean something else...and some how just the liberal posters get it cause their smart.... Sorry but the rest of us citizens have had enough Liberal bullshit and double speak to last us until this upcoming election....where the Cons will take over the reigns and once more clean up little Justin's mess.... So you just like to deflect from the topic , which was the "liberal infra structure deficit" and how F****ed up it is, and how your boy in shiny armor and good looking hair , has done very little in corrected all that mess.... again one of his campaign promises....unfortunately this is a Canadian past time, when things are not going well it is the Americans fault.....here is a news flash....Canadians are going to have to step up to the plate and take ownership of our problems....finding solutions instead of pointing fu***ing fingers at our southern neighbor... I don't give a fiddlers f*** about how our health care compares to the US model....Canadians already know there are huge holes in our health care , but no one is smart enough to fix them....Shit you think I'm lying moon pie, that all of my experiences with our health system have not been perfect....every time I use our health system , sun shine and rainbows come out of my ass....liberals dance in the streets....while soldiers/ RCMP/Coast guard/Border services/ can't get the medical or mental health treatment they need, wait time for mental health issues are well over a year for a follow up appointment ...thats a soldier with a suicide attempt already on record...Justin tells an injured soldier that lost his leg in Afghanistan...that soldiers are asking for more than the government can provide....unless you have some charity the PM likes, then millions are available...Screw you..... Aren't you some little concerned citizen afraid I'm responding to some snowflake on military time.....Well sir, SURPRISE I'm recently retired and have nothing better to do than harass liberals that live in moms basement....or in some collage dorm....perhaps we should focus on the topic and not some deflection you just dreamed up.... Edited January 4, 2019 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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