h102 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Doug Ford is rolling back rights and wages of the poorest Ontarians while cutting taxes for the richest Ontarians, FOR THE PEOPLE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 13 hours ago, h102 said: Doug Ford is rolling back rights and wages of the poorest Ontarians while cutting taxes for the richest Ontarians, FOR THE PEOPLE! How about some links, or even one. Without any reference you're just spouting hot air. For instance I know for a fact that he's not rolling back a single penny of wages, but you go ahead and show where he's cutting wages. I'll wait for you to post proof of these wage cuts that you claim. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 14 hours ago, h102 said: Doug Ford is rolling back rights and wages of the poorest Ontarians while cutting taxes for the richest Ontarians, FOR THE PEOPLE! Technically speaking, Ford's government is simply cancelling a minimum wage increase that was scheduled to come into effect in the new year. The initial increase to $14/hr. is being maintained. It's rolling back other labour law reforms, presumably at the behest of business interests that viewed these changes as problematic, particularly for small business operators. My concern here is that the Ford government is now accused of being callous on this front when the provincial Liberals sat on their hands on labour rights and minimum wage reform for almost 15 years before belatedly addressing these matters near the end of Wynne's majority term and then future-dating many of the changes. That's not exactly indicative of much commitment on their part. Governments, in Ontario and elsewhere across the country, are heavily influenced and lobbied by business interests. I doubt this equation will change much under Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centerpiece Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 The increase to $15 is not "cancelled" - just delayed until October 2020 - after which increases will be tied to inflation - which will be great for workers because the minimum wage has historically been stuck on one amount for several/many years - and good for businesses because it will be predictable. Good move - makes sense. There was never anything wrong with moving the minimum wage to $15 - only the timing was wrong - should have been over 4 or 5 years. The Wynne Liberals did it a one fell swoop to simply use it as an election ploy. The crooks are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 7:59 PM, h102 said: Doug Ford is rolling back rights and wages of the poorest Ontarians while cutting taxes for the richest Ontarians, FOR THE PEOPLE! He's cutting taxes? Got a link to that? Cancelling the raise is a good move. McWynnty tried to ram this through too fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Cancelling the raise is a good move. McWynnty tried to ram this through too fast. Gradually increasing the minimum wage to reach a reasonable target would have been a better approach, for sure. Wynne's conversion to crusader for workers' interests and rights was too little, too late. It was an election ploy. Her government never really believed in it or it would have instituted these changes earlier and they would have been difficult to role back once in effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 It's becoming more apparent that Wynne was moving out of pure desperation in throwing out candy to the electorate. We see it in this story about 3 University Campuses in Suburban communities that DoFo had to cancel. It was simply an attempt to win 905 votes. Ontario doesn't need more University spots. If anything, declining enrolment will be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Boges said: It's becoming more apparent that Wynne was moving out of pure desperation in throwing out candy to the electorate. We see it in this story about 3 University Campuses in Suburban communities that DoFo had to cancel. It was simply an attempt to win 905 votes. Ontario doesn't need more University spots. If anything, declining enrolment will be an issue. I'm not sure why we've promoted the notion that having a university degree is a right of sorts. A BA has become the modern version of the high school graduation diploma of old. Decades ago, when I attended university and roughly 20 percent in the workforce held a degree or degrees, having a BA actually implied that one was reasonably well-educated. Now, not having one implies that one is virtually unemployable other than for service industry positions or manual labour. Why this change, other than to justify the existence of a massive and very expensive university system? Germany doesn't produce as many university graduates with 4-year degrees on a per capita basis as do we and yet it's a global economic and intellectual powerhouse. I think our priorities have become skewed and that we should adjust our education system to produce graduates trained in fields that are of value to the economy. Several comparative studies indicate that Canada is considered the most educated country in the world based on the number of years Canadians spend to acquire post-secondary education, yet our largely derivative and productivity and innovation challenged economy is in decline relative to many other countries. Obviously, something's not working. Edited October 25, 2018 by turningrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Liberal Art degrees are next to useless, unless your goal is to spend the rest of your life in academia. But other, lesser forms of education, are invaluable. Many people still accomplish great things in this country/society without such education. Experience is the most important thing. But people must be willing to work their way up and pay their dues to get to a certain level. Anyone Millenial can be successful in this country if they simply look at the professional landscape and entire a field with good employment prospects and not just expect a job paying a living wage available, no matter what type of BA they get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, Boges said: Anyone Millenial can be successful in this country if they simply look at the professional landscape and entire a field with good employment prospects and not just expect a job paying a living wage available, no matter what type of BA they get. I think experience is a great qualification. The problem faced by younger workers, however, is qualifications inflation, whereby entry to many fields now requires proof of educational attainment far beyond the practical requirements for these positions. Decades ago, I started my career in the financial services field in accounts administration and later forensic auditing and while I held a degree when I got hired many of my co-workers did not, which in general didn't make them less proficient at completing the tasks assigned to them, although I got promoted more quickly than others. However, it's almost inconceivable that younger workers today could get into many such fields without first holding post-secondary qualifications. These young people didn't create the problem. But as a society we're all paying for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h102 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 10:09 AM, turningrite said: Gradually increasing the minimum wage to reach a reasonable target would have been a better approach, for sure. Wynne's conversion to crusader for workers' interests and rights was too little, too late. It was an election ploy. Her government never really believed in it or it would have instituted these changes earlier and they would have been difficult to role back once in effect. Why should there be a gradual increase, the wages were frozen for over a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centerpiece Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, h102 said: Why should there be a gradual increase, the wages were frozen for over a decade. You posted a topic with no links - and now all you can offer is a one line question? The Liberals waited 10 years - until they were on their deathbed - before they raised the minimum wage - but also said they would let it stagnate again until 2025. I'll answer your question in two parts. First, businesses need time to plan for changes of this magnitude. It has already cost the loss of thousands of lower paying jobs that helped first time and younger workers - and older workers trying to augment their incomes. Secondly, with the exception of Alberta, Ontario was boosted ahead of all the other provinces, altering what was a fairly level playing field. Lost in all this is the Ford government's commitment to tie the minimum wage to inflation - a long overdue move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h102 Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 ^Ok, so they waited 10 years, so now workers are getting it, so what, why should workers wait longer because liberals played politics, so your solution is conservatives should play politics too? What kind of piece of sh!t business cannot handle a $1 an hour increase on wages? You are also lying, the number of jobs created Since Wynne raised wages has increased substantially and we had record unemployment lows thanks to her policies. Ford is not tying wages to inflation, he is going to spend all the money, run huge deficits, make big inflation then in his last year of government advocate deflationary policies and then tie to it falling inflation to CUT the minimum wage more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/28/2018 at 12:09 AM, h102 said: ^Ok, so they waited 10 years, so now workers are getting it, so what, why should workers wait longer because liberals played politics, so your solution is conservatives should play politics too? What kind of piece of sh!t business cannot handle a $1 an hour increase on wages? A year after raising it 30% in one shot. And you're lying by saying it was stationary for 10 years. It was at over $11 in 2016. That had gradually increased over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centerpiece Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) On 10/28/2018 at 12:09 AM, h102 said: ^Ok, so they waited 10 years, so now workers are getting it, so what, why should workers wait longer because liberals played politics, so your solution is conservatives should play politics too? What kind of piece of sh!t business cannot handle a $1 an hour increase on wages? You are also lying, the number of jobs created Since Wynne raised wages has increased substantially and we had record unemployment lows thanks to her policies. Ford is not tying wages to inflation, he is going to spend all the money, run huge deficits, make big inflation then in his last year of government advocate deflationary policies and then tie to it falling inflation to CUT the minimum wage more! Actually, I wasn't totally accurate - the minimum wage WAS increased by the Liberals over the past 10 years but in general, they paid lip service to it over the past 8 years including NO raises for 4 years. Lying is not a nice word. The jury is still out on how many jobs have been lost, how many people have NOT been hired and how many worker's hours have been cut. It's a difficult combination to calculate, especially when the economy was doing so well in the spring - that tends to mask/delay things. The predictions by virtually all reputable sources (Bank of Canada for one) predicted substantial impact for lower-wage workers. Perhaps with the economy slowing, the results will be more readily apparent. Your rant about Ford is nonsense. Link: https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/minimum-wages Edited October 29, 2018 by Centerpiece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 7:12 AM, Boges said: It's becoming more apparent that Wynne was moving out of pure desperation in throwing out candy to the electorate. We see it in this story about 3 University Campuses in Suburban communities that DoFo had to cancel. It was simply an attempt to win 905 votes. Ontario doesn't need more University spots. If anything, declining enrolment will be an issue. These days it would seem that university's have become more for leftist liberal SJW radicals to push and promote their socialist/liberal programs and agendas. Jordan Petersen has had many rough dealings and attacks from those leftist university crazies. Canada has become just too socialist and communist for my liking these days. Just my opinion of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 4:59 PM, h102 said: Doug Ford is rolling back rights and wages of the poorest Ontarians while cutting taxes for the richest Ontarians, FOR THE PEOPLE! At least Ford is cutting red tape and big government and taxes which cannot be all that bad for we the people, right? That is what real conservatives do. Get rid of big brother control and intrusion and too many taxes as much and as fast as possible. Big government and plenty of taxes is what liberal/socialists believe in. I will take the former anytime, thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h102 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 On 10/29/2018 at 1:11 PM, Boges said: A year after raising it 30% in one shot. And you're lying by saying it was stationary for 10 years. It was at over $11 in 2016. That had gradually increased over time. no there was a freeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h102 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 21 hours ago, taxme said: At least Ford is cutting red tape and big government and taxes which cannot be all that bad for we the people, right? That is what real conservatives do. Get rid of big brother control and intrusion and too many taxes as much and as fast as possible. Big government and plenty of taxes is what liberal/socialists believe in. I will take the former anytime, thank you very much. No, he isn't, he is making more red tape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h102 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 On 10/29/2018 at 1:34 PM, Centerpiece said: Actually, I wasn't totally accurate - the minimum wage WAS increased by the Liberals over the past 10 years but in general, they paid lip service to it over the past 8 years including NO raises for 4 years. Lying is not a nice word. The jury is still out on how many jobs have been lost, how many people have NOT been hired and how many worker's hours have been cut. It's a difficult combination to calculate, especially when the economy was doing so well in the spring - that tends to mask/delay things. The predictions by virtually all reputable sources (Bank of Canada for one) predicted substantial impact for lower-wage workers. Perhaps with the economy slowing, the results will be more readily apparent. Your rant about Ford is nonsense. Link: https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/minimum-wages predictions were wrong, more jobs were made not less, inefficient employers cut hours, but good employers made more hours because their business grew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, h102 said: predictions were wrong, more jobs were made not less, inefficient employers cut hours, but good employers made more hours because their business grew. It's hard to know at this point what the real impacts of a suddenly and significantly increased minimum wage are or might be. Labour markets, particularly at the lower end of the income scale, can be very fluid. I believe the experience in Seattle, where a $15/hr minimum wage policy was adopted, have been mixed. (See link, below.) Picking winners and losers has not been a easy task. In particular, one of the early findings is that employers can end up favouring employees with better skills and qualifications while more marginal workers can be negatively impacted. It's not difficult to figure out why employers might believe they should be able to hire better (i.e. more educated, literate, experienced) workers if they have to pay higher wages, right? Part of the problem here in Ontario is that a $15/hr minimum wage has different impacts in Toronto than it does in small towns where living costs are lower and labour pools are smaller. While a $15/hr minimum wage might be eminently justifiable in high-cost Toronto, it might not be elsewhere in the province. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ce311ee9b0f0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) On 10/30/2018 at 12:25 PM, h102 said: No, he isn't, he is making more red tape Getting rid of all those extra unneeded city councilors is cutting red tape big time. So, just where is Ford creating more red tape? Ford has said that any ISIS fighters being allowed to come back to Canada and end up in Ontario they will not be allowed to obtain a drivers licence and will get no benefits. A great start in showing that Ford will not tolerate those terrorists and their presence in Ontario. Now that is a sign of a good conservative leader. Edited October 31, 2018 by taxme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 3:27 PM, h102 said: predictions were wrong, more jobs were made not less, inefficient employers cut hours, but good employers made more hours because their business grew. I am in business and know a lot of businessmen and you my friend have no idea what you are talking about. Not a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 21 hours ago, taxme said: Getting rid of all those extra unneeded city councilors is cutting red tape big time. So, just where is Ford creating more red tape? Ford has said that any ISIS fighters being allowed to come back to Canada and end up in Ontario they will not be allowed to obtain a drivers licence and will get no benefits. A great start in showing that Ford will not tolerate those terrorists and their presence in Ontario. Now that is a sign of a good conservative leader. And another sign. A man in Dunrobin where the tornado hit, was saying Enbridge gas company has done nothing to get the NG running. Ford had given him his personal number during the campaign. He phone it at 640 am, no answer. At 710 am his phone rings, he answers. Hey is it doug here did you call? Told him his concerns and he said he is calling the CEO of enbridge and will get something done. Liberals would not have even taken his call. A group called community living ,they look after mentally challenged kids and adults were told that they have to pay them $14 \hr for the little jobs they do. These jobs pay them a little money which these people, were so happy to get and show they are part of the community. Even the parents thought is was a great project, well these people no longer are doing this. A mother called doug and got him on the phone, he is now looking into this and has kept in touch with this lady. That is leadership and caring about the people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h102 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, PIK said: I am in business and know a lot of businessmen and you my friend have no idea what you are talking about. Not a clue. So am I, but the facts are unchanged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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