White South African Farmer Plight.

[scribblet]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

There's very little I'm sure of at this stage but I'm fairly certain I would never move to Russia under any circumstances if it was still 'governed' by somebody like Mr. Putin. 

It might be somewhat better than what they have to look forward to in South Africa now.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5534449/South-Africas-white-farmers-likely-killed-police.html

White farmers in South Africa have the most dangerous job in the country, are twice as likely to be murdered than police and are killed at four times the rate of the wider community, a rights group claims.

This week, as the government moves to seize all white-owned land without compensation, civil rights organisation AfriForum claimed there had been 109 attacks which left 15 white farm workers dead so far this year.

This follows 82 killings and 423 attacks in 2016, though none of the figures can be verified because the South African government has refused to release farm murder statistics since 2007.

Some of the killings are reported to have been barbaric, with farm owners tortured, raped, burned alive and slaughtered in front of their families.

 

[Bonam]

Hopefully most of these people can escape before South Africa's plans for genocide come to fruition. There's a certain point where the hatred in a country cannot be stopped or reasoned with and the only options are to flee or to die. For White South Africans, that point is now. We can only hope that some countries leave their doors open to fleeing South Africans, unlike what happened during the horrors of the early 20th century when people fleeing extermination were sent back to die. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, scribblet said:

It might be somewhat better than what they have to look forward to in South Africa now.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5534449/South-Africas-white-farmers-likely-killed-police.html

White farmers in South Africa have the most dangerous job in the country, are twice as likely to be murdered than police and are killed at four times the rate of the wider community, a rights group claims.

This week, as the government moves to seize all white-owned land without compensation, civil rights organisation AfriForum claimed there had been 109 attacks which left 15 white farm workers dead so far this year.

This follows 82 killings and 423 attacks in 2016, though none of the figures can be verified because the South African government has refused to release farm murder statistics since 2007.

Some of the killings are reported to have been barbaric, with farm owners tortured, raped, burned alive and slaughtered in front of their families.

 

There’s quite a bit of debate about those figures and everyone is at high risk in RSA. A distant relative of my family who owned a gas station was killed the other day. The attacker took his cell phone. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[taxme]

On 8/24/2018 at 10:26 AM, Bonam said:

Hopefully most of these people can escape before South Africa's plans for genocide come to fruition. There's a certain point where the hatred in a country cannot be stopped or reasoned with and the only options are to flee or to die. For White South Africans, that point is now. We can only hope that some countries leave their doors open to fleeing South Africans, unlike what happened during the horrors of the early 20th century when people fleeing extermination were sent back to die. 

Canada has pretty much closed the doors on those South African farmers that are in danger for their lives. Plenty of time to offer refugees from other countries to come to Canada though. It surely has something to do with the color of ones skin. No doubt about that. The Canadian left wing liberal media sure love reporting on the plight of non-white refugees in Arab or African or other east Asian countries but never what is going on against white farmers of South Africa. Why is that anyway? Just who's side is the left wing liberal Canadian media on here anyway? 

[taxme]

On 8/24/2018 at 10:43 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

There’s quite a bit of debate about those figures and everyone is at high risk in RSA. A distant relative of my family who owned a gas station was killed the other day. The attacker took his cell phone. 

And just where is Canada's prime mistake on all of this killing going on in South Africa against white farmers anyway? Has anyway ever heard him say anything on this travesty? Have you? If so, I would sure like to see it because I have my doubts that he has said anything on it or even gives a crap about it. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

And just where is Canada's prime mistake on all of this killing going on in South Africa against white farmers anyway? Has anyway ever heard him say anything on this travesty? Have you? If so, I would sure like to see it because I have my doubts that he has said anything on it or even gives a crap about it. 

I don’t think white farmers are particularly at risk. Everyone is in peril there. 

[taxme]

31 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I don’t think white farmers are particularly at risk. Everyone is in peril there. 

Go try to be a white farmer in South Africa these days. I think after awhile you will get the picture. It is the white South African farmers who appear to be doing the dying these days. Indeed both are at peril because we all should know by now from history that African tribes have always fought with other African tribes and did lots of killings against one another for power and control of an African country. At least it took the white South African farmers and settlers to put a stop to the killings and who never get recognized for their efforts for doing so. In general, white people never get recognized for anything good that they have done for humanity but just scorn and hatred and violence promoted towards them for all their efforts. White people are being made fools of every day by the white liberal media of all people and who appear to be the white people's worse enemy. There is only one race of people that is in peril today and all around the world. I am pretty sure that you know as to who I am talking about here, eh? 

Edited September 3, 2018 by taxme

[SpankyMcFarland]

People of every ethnicity are vulnerable to attack in South Africa these days. For example, the relative I mentioned earlier was South Asian. Nobody is safe, especially the Africans who live in ‘informal settlements’. 

[h102]

South Africa has 19,000 murders a year, there are almost 5 million whites in South Africa, and less than 100 farm murders every year.  Compare that to Toronto which has in the same range of murders, less than 100 a year, but with half the population (2.5 million in Toronto).  In otherwords, farm murders are incredibly rare even by Canadian standards in what is an otherwise high crime nation.

 

Now add on the fact that not all farm murders are of white farmers and most of the farm murders are actually committed by white farmers onto each other or their farm workers (like Eugene Terreblanche) over disputes of land ownership and pay, I am surprised the murder rate is not much higher.  If this is a genocide, it has to be the slowest genocide on the planet and it is not a particularly effective genocide because far more people from the majority population are being killed off than in the white population.  It also ignores the fact that there are several high ranking white members in the ruling government like the minister of trade and industry which is about the 4th highest minister.

https://www.parliament.gov.za/person-details/4127

[DogOnPorch]

6 hours ago, h102 said:

South Africa has 19,000 murders a year, there are almost 5 million whites in South Africa, and less than 100 farm murders every year.  Compare that to Toronto which has in the same range of murders, less than 100 a year, but with half the population (2.5 million in Toronto).  In otherwords, farm murders are incredibly rare even by Canadian standards in what is an otherwise high crime nation.

 

Now add on the fact that not all farm murders are of white farmers and most of the farm murders are actually committed by white farmers onto each other or their farm workers (like Eugene Terreblanche) over disputes of land ownership and pay, I am surprised the murder rate is not much higher.  If this is a genocide, it has to be the slowest genocide on the planet and it is not a particularly effective genocide because far more people from the majority population are being killed off than in the white population.  It also ignores the fact that there are several high ranking white members in the ruling government like the minister of trade and industry which is about the 4th highest minister.

https://www.parliament.gov.za/person-details/4127

 

So...a made-up problem is what you're saying.

[h102]

On 9/5/2018 at 10:51 AM, DogOnPorch said:

 

So...a made-up problem is what you're saying.

Yes. There appears to me to be at least 3-4 white ministers in the current government cabinet of South Africa, which is more than their actually representation in the population.  The numbers of homicide are per capita of whites in SA is LESS than half that of the homicides per capita in Toronto, and extremely safe large city.  So what you have is a population in an extremely high murder rate country with an extremely low rate of suffering homicides.  Almost all the murder victims in SA are poor Africans living in deeply impoverished townships.  Further there is a clear campaign of spreading misinformation equating farm murders with white murders.  Firstly, the majority of farmers in SA are Africans. However almost all the land owners are whites as they own 72% of all land due to apartheid era laws which stole land from Africans and put them into white hands as recently as 1990s when the Lands Act was repealed as the apartheid government saw the writing on the wall.  Blacks own less than 4% of the land despite being in excess of 80% of the population.  SA also has no minimum wage, and most of the farm murders, are actually farmers killing farm workers or revenge killings like in the case of Eugene Terreblanche (he called 2 farm workers (blacks) and was later killed by a farm worker (also black and a distant relative of the man he killed) and he is white).

 

 

Notice there is actually no white people doing any farming, they simply own the land but don't actually perform any farming work, they never had.  What this is really is a system of serfdom.

 

Now factor in that most white SA are wealthy compared to their poor African counterparts and live in gated wealthy communities like Sandton where blacks cannot even gain access to, even if they wanted to.  Most whites in SA do not live on farms but in subdivisions like on the right, and most blacks live in apartheid era townships with no electricity or running water like on the left.  If you look at the picture closely, you'll realize that the African townships don't even have roads, because they are all so poor, none of them even own cars or have access to public transit, so their mobility is severely restricted.

 

 

This whole misinformation about genocide is being spread by opponents of minimum wage (mainly white land owners and mine owners and whites who don't want to have to pay their domestic workers who fold their bed sheets, wash their clothes, clean their house, etc.) The current government is trying to bring in a minimum wage and reform the land distribution so that this type of serf-lord relationship ends.   They want the serf like workers to be able to own their own land so that they can unlock wealth in the country.  However this will close the wealth gap and erase the advantage that the Lord class has. The Lord class also tends to be mostly white due to apartheid although their are wealthy Africans as well who are siding with them because they want to exploit poor people. Hence they are getting desperate and playing any card to try to stop the reforms, mainly because they are more interested in having one over the serf like workers than actually moving the nation forward.

[DogOnPorch]

5 hours ago, h102 said:

Yes.

 

Hmmmmm. 

[marcus]

6 hours ago, h102 said:

Yes. There appears to me to be at least 3-4 white ministers in the current government cabinet of South Africa, which is more than their actually representation in the population.  The numbers of homicide are per capita of whites in SA is LESS than half that of the homicides per capita in Toronto, and extremely safe large city.  So what you have is a population in an extremely high murder rate country with an extremely low rate of suffering homicides.  Almost all the murder victims in SA are poor Africans living in deeply impoverished townships.  Further there is a clear campaign of spreading misinformation equating farm murders with white murders.  Firstly, the majority of farmers in SA are Africans. However almost all the land owners are whites as they own 72% of all land due to apartheid era laws which stole land from Africans and put them into white hands as recently as 1990s when the Lands Act was repealed as the apartheid government saw the writing on the wall.  Blacks own less than 4% of the land despite being in excess of 80% of the population.  SA also has no minimum wage, and most of the farm murders, are actually farmers killing farm workers or revenge killings like in the case of Eugene Terreblanche (he called 2 farm workers (blacks) and was later killed by a farm worker (also black and a distant relative of the man he killed) and he is white).

 

 

Notice there is actually no white people doing any farming, they simply own the land but don't actually perform any farming work, they never had.  What this is really is a system of serfdom.

 

Now factor in that most white SA are wealthy compared to their poor African counterparts and live in gated wealthy communities like Sandton where blacks cannot even gain access to, even if they wanted to.  Most whites in SA do not live on farms but in subdivisions like on the right, and most blacks live in apartheid era townships with no electricity or running water like on the left.  If you look at the picture closely, you'll realize that the African townships don't even have roads, because they are all so poor, none of them even own cars or have access to public transit, so their mobility is severely restricted.

 

 

This whole misinformation about genocide is being spread by opponents of minimum wage (mainly white land owners and mine owners and whites who don't want to have to pay their domestic workers who fold their bed sheets, wash their clothes, clean their house, etc.) The current government is trying to bring in a minimum wage and reform the land distribution so that this type of serf-lord relationship ends.   They want the serf like workers to be able to own their own land so that they can unlock wealth in the country.  However this will close the wealth gap and erase the advantage that the Lord class has. The Lord class also tends to be mostly white due to apartheid although their are wealthy Africans as well who are siding with them because they want to exploit poor people. Hence they are getting desperate and playing any card to try to stop the reforms, mainly because they are more interested in having one over the serf like workers than actually moving the nation forward.

Bravo.

Thank you for having the patience and taking the time to respond to misinformation.

[DogOnPorch]

So when the ANC and their ilk sing "Kill The Boer"...they're just joshin' folks around...they are really just a bunch of sweethearts with peace and prosperity for all being their #1 goal.

Yeah...not buying it.

[h102]

19 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

So when the ANC and their ilk sing "Kill The Boer"...they're just joshin' folks around...they are really just a bunch of sweethearts with peace and prosperity for all being their #1 goal.

Yeah...not buying it.

The ANC has ceased singing the song almost a decade ago when the court ruled that it was hate speech. This is reassuring because it proves SA still has an independent democratic judiciary and the ANC continues to respect its decisions and rule of law.  Bear in mind there exists a large double standard in the sense that whites who murdered millions under apartheid from the Cape to Congo are still permitted to fly the apartheid flag and apartheid being a human rights violation and heavily tied into war crime and racial hatred.  Yet this has not been ruled as a hate speech.  There is much racist speech coming from Afrikaners however none of it has actually been ruled by the courts as "hate speech".  So even in claiming that the ANC is singing kill the boer, you have revealed that whites enjoy a substantial advantage (due to the courts being staffed by primarily white apartheid era judges who give highly favourable rulings towards wealthy whites) in the regard that they can basically sing whatever they want while Blacks cannot.

The reality is SA is a new nation that is emerging from what was really a 300 year series of wars and transitioning into democracy and there are going to be lingering issues, there are going to be harsh feelings, there are going to be people who say less than savory things.  It is going to take time to get a flourishing nation, and spreading lies and misinformation will not help.

[Michael Hardner]

20 hours ago, marcus said:

Bravo.

Thank you for having the patience and taking the time to respond to misinformation.

The people on here who post information (you know who you are) will proudly lie and state that they are objective but it's not so.  There are posters on MLW who game the rules and actively post lies to convince naive people.  I actually have an ex-friend of mine (always a naive rube, he was) now posting online about vaccinations causing disease and Trump draining the swamp.  He was never able to understand politics until the cult of Trump brainwashed him.  Sad.

[taxme]

On 8/24/2018 at 10:43 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

There’s quite a bit of debate about those figures and everyone is at high risk in RSA. A distant relative of my family who owned a gas station was killed the other day. The attacker took his cell phone. 

All you have to do is go on Youtube and punch in white South Africans being murdered in South Africa as I just did. Plenty of news on those killings came up. It's all there for those who want to know as to what is really going on in South Africa. There is no excuse available to deny as to what is happening over there. 

[taxme]

On 9/3/2018 at 9:06 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

People of every ethnicity are vulnerable to attack in South Africa these days. For example, the relative I mentioned earlier was South Asian. Nobody is safe, especially the Africans who live in ‘informal settlements’. 

Keep trying to avoid the real news. Liberals are pretty much all like that. Why I did not see that on the local news today so it must not be happening.  Hello. 

[taxme]

On 9/5/2018 at 12:58 AM, h102 said:

South Africa has 19,000 murders a year, there are almost 5 million whites in South Africa, and less than 100 farm murders every year.  Compare that to Toronto which has in the same range of murders, less than 100 a year, but with half the population (2.5 million in Toronto).  In otherwords, farm murders are incredibly rare even by Canadian standards in what is an otherwise high crime nation.

 

Now add on the fact that not all farm murders are of white farmers and most of the farm murders are actually committed by white farmers onto each other or their farm workers (like Eugene Terreblanche) over disputes of land ownership and pay, I am surprised the murder rate is not much higher.  If this is a genocide, it has to be the slowest genocide on the planet and it is not a particularly effective genocide because far more people from the majority population are being killed off than in the white population.  It also ignores the fact that there are several high ranking white members in the ruling government like the minister of trade and industry which is about the 4th highest minister.

https://www.parliament.gov.za/person-details/4127

Well spoken like a true leftist liberal. If white people are being murdered, well then too bad and so what. You do need to go on the internet and check out the stats as to how many white people are being murdered every year in South Africa. The internet will tell you all about it. In Toronto most of the killings are being done by Jamaican drug dealers shooting and killing other Jamaican drug dealers. What is going on in Toronto cannot be compared or come close in anyway to what is going on in South Africa. 

[taxme]

On 9/7/2018 at 4:37 AM, h102 said:

Yes. There appears to me to be at least 3-4 white ministers in the current government cabinet of South Africa, which is more than their actually representation in the population.  The numbers of homicide are per capita of whites in SA is LESS than half that of the homicides per capita in Toronto, and extremely safe large city.  So what you have is a population in an extremely high murder rate country with an extremely low rate of suffering homicides.  Almost all the murder victims in SA are poor Africans living in deeply impoverished townships.  Further there is a clear campaign of spreading misinformation equating farm murders with white murders.  Firstly, the majority of farmers in SA are Africans. However almost all the land owners are whites as they own 72% of all land due to apartheid era laws which stole land from Africans and put them into white hands as recently as 1990s when the Lands Act was repealed as the apartheid government saw the writing on the wall.  Blacks own less than 4% of the land despite being in excess of 80% of the population.  SA also has no minimum wage, and most of the farm murders, are actually farmers killing farm workers or revenge killings like in the case of Eugene Terreblanche (he called 2 farm workers (blacks) and was later killed by a farm worker (also black and a distant relative of the man he killed) and he is white).

 

 

Notice there is actually no white people doing any farming, they simply own the land but don't actually perform any farming work, they never had.  What this is really is a system of serfdom.

 

Now factor in that most white SA are wealthy compared to their poor African counterparts and live in gated wealthy communities like Sandton where blacks cannot even gain access to, even if they wanted to.  Most whites in SA do not live on farms but in subdivisions like on the right, and most blacks live in apartheid era townships with no electricity or running water like on the left.  If you look at the picture closely, you'll realize that the African townships don't even have roads, because they are all so poor, none of them even own cars or have access to public transit, so their mobility is severely restricted.

 

 

This whole misinformation about genocide is being spread by opponents of minimum wage (mainly white land owners and mine owners and whites who don't want to have to pay their domestic workers who fold their bed sheets, wash their clothes, clean their house, etc.) The current government is trying to bring in a minimum wage and reform the land distribution so that this type of serf-lord relationship ends.   They want the serf like workers to be able to own their own land so that they can unlock wealth in the country.  However this will close the wealth gap and erase the advantage that the Lord class has. The Lord class also tends to be mostly white due to apartheid although their are wealthy Africans as well who are siding with them because they want to exploit poor people. Hence they are getting desperate and playing any card to try to stop the reforms, mainly because they are more interested in having one over the serf like workers than actually moving the nation forward.

So, why have the white people done so well in South Africa but not the blacks? Long before the white people ever arrived in Africa that picture on the left no doubt looks like a picture one would see before white people came along if at all. The white settlers in the past prospered because of hard work. It was not handed to them. The blacks have had way more time to have done a lot better than white people but yet they are still living in their squalor as they did no doubt hundreds of years ago. But we must always blame the white man/woman for their problems of being poor. Now the blacks want to take away what is not their's without any kind of compensation. Theft of land and murder is what SA is all about today. 

Let's be honest here. If all the white people left SA today, in twenty years SA would be like Zimbabwe(Rhodesia)is today. SA is an exporter but will soon become an importer if all the whites left SA. Zimbabwe use to be an exporter when white people ran that country and now it is an importer. Those white politicians in SA are traitors to their own people. They all just sit and watch as to how their own people are being murdered and they could careless. It kind of reminds me of what may begin to happen in Canada one today. Just saying. 

 

[taxme]

On 9/7/2018 at 11:27 AM, marcus said:

Bravo.

Thank you for having the patience and taking the time to respond to misinformation.

There will be no bravo from me but the opposite. Boo-Hoo. It's great to see that you like to be fed misinformation. It is quite obvious that you have not bothered to go on the internet and see and read for yourself about all the atrocities that are being done against the white South African farmers of South Africa today. The leftist liberal media will never report on it. But yet the media had no problem supporting anti-apartheid way back when. It must of had to have something to do with the color of ones skin. Just saying.  

[taxme]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The people on here who post information (you know who you are) will proudly lie and state that they are objective but it's not so.  There are posters on MLW who game the rules and actively post lies to convince naive people.  I actually have an ex-friend of mine (always a naive rube, he was) now posting online about vaccinations causing disease and Trump draining the swamp.  He was never able to understand politics until the cult of Trump brainwashed him.  Sad.

But then again there are some people here also who like to post false information(you know who you are)that will proudly lie here to try and convince others that what they are saying is gospel. C'mon, everyone here has pretty much gamed the rules here. Maybe one of them could be you, eh? Maybe their posts are being used to convince people of their lies and misinformation? Hey, you never know, eh? Vaccinations are getting a real bad rap these days because they deserve it. Everyone should go check out some alternative media health websites like NaturalNews and see what they have to say about the ingredients that are in most of those vaccinations. It's bloody shocking. I will never understand anyone that has a problem with Trump wanting to drain the swamp. The only ones who appear to not want to have the swamp drained are the swampsters themselves and their  brainwashed supporters. Pathetic. 

[Michael Hardner]

On 9/7/2018 at 2:27 PM, marcus said:

Bravo.

Thank you for having the patience and taking the time to respond to misinformation.

To add: we have to keep doing this.  The liars and racists love the internet because they can publish lies anonymously.  They're unable to argue their positions with logic and humanity, so when you do that they fall apart...

[scribblet]

On 8/24/2018 at 1:26 PM, Bonam said:

Hopefully most of these people can escape before South Africa's plans for genocide come to fruition. There's a certain point where the hatred in a country cannot be stopped or reasoned with and the only options are to flee or to die. For White South Africans, that point is now. We can only hope that some countries leave their doors open to fleeing South Africans, unlike what happened during the horrors of the early 20th century when people fleeing extermination were sent back to die. 

Do you think Trudeau would welcome them to Canada ?

[scribblet]

According to this report it's happening   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/south-african-farm-murders/10013298

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/watch-black-south-african-radicals-chant-all-white-men-must-die/

If they go ahead with seizing farm land without compensation they could end up with no economy as in Zimbabwe, but it could be the start of it now.

Shocking drop in agriculture behind 'surprise' recession  Agriculture fell almost 30%, dragging the GDP number down

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/economy/2018-09-04-cyril-ramaphosa-has-a-recession-on-his-hands/

Would Russia be better -A delegation of 30 South African farming families has arrived in Russia’s farmbelt Stavropol Region, Rossiya 1 TV reports. The group says it is facing violent attacks and death threats at home.  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/248587

 

Edited September 9, 2018 by scribblet