OftenWrong Posted July 21, 2018 Report Posted July 21, 2018 44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Is flattery lying? Hmmm. Found some more praise for Trump. NATO chief praises Trump’s Afghanistan strategy22 Aug. 2017 NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday that U.S. President Donald Trump’s new 'conditions-based' approach to Afghanistan was 'welcome.' "I welcome President Trump’s new, conditions-based approach to Afghanistan and the region. NATO remains fully committed to Afghanistan and I am looking forward to discussing the way ahead with Secretary Mattis and our Allies and international partners." On Monday night, Trump announced that the U.S. will maintain its military presence in Afghanistan based on certain “conditions” being met, and did not specify a timeline for withdrawal. He also accused Pakistan of providing a “safe haven to agents of chaos, violence and terror.” In a subtle nod to Trump’s take on Pakistan, Stoltenberg said: “We urge all countries in the region to do their utmost to shut down sanctuaries for extremist groups, support peace and reconciliation, and contribute to a stable and secure Afghanistan.” In a statement, U.K. Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said the U.S.’s commitment was “very welcome,” You can call it flattery if you wish, if that helps to prevent any pending threat of disillusion... Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 6:56 AM, Boges said: Well it is Putin's goal to get NATO dismantled. Both Trump and Putin seem to be tenaciously trying to do that. Is it America's goal to align with Tin Pot dictators in Russia, China and North Korea or Western Democracies? It looks more like NATO is trying to dismantle Russia. Billy Bob Clinton, Bush and Obama and Hillary dealt with Russians all the time even when Putin was the Russian leader and long before Trump came on the scene. But all of a sudden Putin is the enemy because Trump won the election and he met with Putin where Trump believes that it is better to talk to world leaders like Kim Jung, Xi Jinping and Putin rather than try and start wars with them. Leaders of all nations talk to foreign leaders all the time. Hello. So, what is your point? I wonder if our prime mistake will ever get to meet Putin? Sad to say that Putin would not want to be bothered talking to the boy. Putin no doubt would probably prefer to talk to men and not feminist ones. LOL. Was Trump considered a traitor to America when he had meetings with those two communist leaders mentioned above? NO. How is talking with communist leaders not considered being a traitor like you and others seem to have on purpose overlooked here? You really do need to start to try and think for yourself for a change and do a little more reading and to try and get your facts right instead of allowing CNN, MSNBC, CBS and the CBC to do your thinking for you. Many Canadians seem to have the same problem. Bloody scary indeed. If you are a Andrew Scheer supporter or party member than maybe I am not going to bother to support the conservative party in the next election with members like you in the party. You speak with silly tongue. Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 5:40 PM, OftenWrong said: Found some more praise for Trump. NATO chief praises Trump’s Afghanistan strategy22 Aug. 2017 NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday that U.S. President Donald Trump’s new 'conditions-based' approach to Afghanistan was 'welcome.' "I welcome President Trump’s new, conditions-based approach to Afghanistan and the region. NATO remains fully committed to Afghanistan and I am looking forward to discussing the way ahead with Secretary Mattis and our Allies and international partners." On Monday night, Trump announced that the U.S. will maintain its military presence in Afghanistan based on certain “conditions” being met, and did not specify a timeline for withdrawal. He also accused Pakistan of providing a “safe haven to agents of chaos, violence and terror.” In a subtle nod to Trump’s take on Pakistan, Stoltenberg said: “We urge all countries in the region to do their utmost to shut down sanctuaries for extremist groups, support peace and reconciliation, and contribute to a stable and secure Afghanistan.” In a statement, U.K. Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said the U.S.’s commitment was “very welcome,” You can call it flattery if you wish, if that helps to prevent any pending threat of disillusion... With MH and so many others here, who are die hard Trump haters, that it is a total waste of time trying to talk to them. When one has so much hatred for someone else, it is very hard for them to want to hear anything good that the one they hate may be doing that is good for us all. They only want to find the bad in them. Sad people indeed. Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 6:54 AM, Jimwd said: Putins busy using chemical weapons to attack people on alllied soil. Trump wants Russia back in the g7. The world knows. You have no proof that Putin or Assad are using any kinds of chemical weapons in Syria. You only go by what the lying and fake lame duck left wing liberal media are telling you. Were you over there and saw it all happening and is true? XI Jinping and Kim Jung enjoy enslaving and murdering their own people but you do not have a problem with that, now do you. Trump meets with Putin and it is treason but yet it was not treason for Trump to meet those other two communist leaders, eh? Your hatred for real leaders in the world always shows. Russia should be put back in the G7. That would be great for world peace if Russia were a part of the G7, right? The other G7 leaders could then keep an eye on your enemy, Putin. It is for sure that you appear to not know anything except to how just talk with no backup at all. Just saying. Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 4:11 PM, Michael Hardner said: https://www.salon.com/2018/07/19/dan-coats-left-stunned-after-msnbc-host-tells-him-trump-invited-putin-to-the-white-house/ Intel Chief Dan Coats finds out on live TV that Putin is invited to the White House. It's pretty clear that only some kind of extreme event is going to stop this juggernaut of shame. But now Coats corrected what he said to people like you as to what he really meant to say. At the time of the Helsinki meeting it was just talk that Putin and Trump may meet in Washington. Coats does not need to know anything unless it was official. Apparently, now it is suppose to be on. Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 4:34 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: What's the problem ? Justin Trudeau has visited the United States 16 times, and Freeland's minions even more, trying to influence U.S. trade policy. Why are some people so afraid of Putin getting chummy with the USA, but not afraid to be NATO deadbeats ? These Putin crybabies never had a problem with Trump meeting with Xi Jinping of communist China or Kim Jung of communist North Korea. Trump met with these murderers and slave owners of their people and was never called a traitor for doing so. These leftist crybaby liberal/democrats always only know how to talk thru their butt holes. It is a good thing for Trump and Putin to meet. Better than not meeting with Putin and maybe getting a war started instead with Russia. I suppose what is really going on here is that these snowflake idiots mentioned above want to start another cold war with Russia because they no doubt will make billions of dollars from it. With them it is all about the money and never world peace or at home peace. They are always trying to stir up a pile of hippopotamus manure. Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 7:58 PM, eyeball said: Why fund NATO now that Russia and the US are so chummy? The Warsaw Pact is gone. Now it is time to get rid of NATO. When the Warsaw Pact was abolished, why did NATO not abolish itself also? I wonder why? Good question, eh? Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 1:53 PM, Argus said: What makes you think Trump had anything to do with NATO spending more money? You don't think that increasing Russian military aggression might have something to do with that? What bloody threat are you talking about, fella? Probably has me on ignore so I do not expect an answer. Geez, what are we all doing here then if not to debate with other members? Aw well. At least i still have Jimdw(Omni)to talk too. LOL. 1 Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 9:11 PM, Jimwd said: No..because of the trump tower meeting with Russians and subsequent lies. Because a guy representing* russian interests just coincidentally became trump’s campaign manager, a guy caught laundering dirty russian money . Because his former NSA. Lied about conversations with Russia, because one of his advisors is a self confessed kremlin advisor,. Because of conspiring with the Russians to undermine a us election, Shall I continue ? Do you work for the mule(Mueller)? It sure looks like it. Trump/Russian this and Trump/Russian that. Give it a break will you, TDS crybaby. Trump will never be impeached so get with the program and get use to it and let it go. Let's talk about Canada's immigration refugee crisis for a change. I would love to debate with you on that sacred cow and taboo subject that Canadians are not suppose to talk or know about. Well? Quote
taxme Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 4:37 PM, Michael Hardner said: Pretty sure he substantiated it with the EXAMPLE he gave. Is flattery lying? Hmmm. A few good reasons for Trump to flatter himself: 1. Trump has just about defeated ISIS. 2. Tax cuts for all Americans. 3. Markets up. Unemployment down. 4. Removal of MS13 gang members. Dam good thing to be doing. 5. Lowest unemployment for blacks and Hispanics in history in America. 6. Building a wall to try and keep out illegals and terrorists and the Mexican cartels. Good for Canada also having that wall built. Less of the people that you want to see here, eh? 7. Millions of new jobs created. Dam good thing. 8. Trying to drain the swamp. So far it must be working because the swampsters are trying to create all kinds of trouble for Trump. 9. Stopped Hillary from becoming President. WHEW. 10. Illegal immigration down. 11. Trying to make peace and to get along with Russia. A good thing and not a treasonous thing. 12. Bringing back corporations to America. 13. Making our dear leader look stupid all the time. All good things that the lying and fake left wing liberal lame duck media and the dumbocrats refuse to give Trump any credit for all that was mentioned above. They instead just keep trying to look for Russian bogeymen and porno stars to try and save face over their loss to Trump. So, maybe you can tell me as to what our prime mistake of Canada has done for Canada and Canadians since the kid was elected into the dictator's chair other than bringing in thousands of legal refugees and has allowed thousands of criminal illegals enter into Canada illegally? I await your reply. Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, taxme said: With MH and so many others here, who are die hard Trump haters, that it is a total waste of time trying to talk to them. When one has so much hatred for someone else, it is very hard for them to want to hear anything good that the one they hate may be doing that is good for us all. They only want to find the bad in them. Sad people indeed. It is curious that someone who insists that information be backed up by hard evidence from reliable sources, when presented with them resorts to calling them lies, preferring instead to believe in "examples". Quote
taxme Posted July 24, 2018 Report Posted July 24, 2018 14 hours ago, OftenWrong said: It is curious that someone who insists that information be backed up by hard evidence from reliable sources, when presented with them resorts to calling them lies, preferring instead to believe in "examples". Typical of liberals. If a liberal cannot win an argument then they resort to name calling and even go as far as to calling someone a liar. They are always right and the other guy/gal is always wrong. Liberals are the most intolerant and bigoted people going. They don't give a chit if what one says is true and facts are given. They will always ignore the truth of the facts. Aw well. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 8:40 PM, OftenWrong said: You can call it flattery if you wish, if that helps to prevent any pending threat of disillusion... I'm not sure if I'm surprised or not. Certainly what Trump does (sometimes called 'mashing the buttons') is an outside-the-box approach that can produce some surprisingly good results. I will point out that you went back about a year to find that, and it's not anything related to current high-priority areas such as NK, Iran, Russia or Europe. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 51 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I'm not sure if I'm surprised or not. Certainly what Trump does (sometimes called 'mashing the buttons') is an outside-the-box approach that can produce some surprisingly good results. I will point out that you went back about a year to find that, and it's not anything related to current high-priority areas such as NK, Iran, Russia or Europe. True, but it is related to the thread topic, in that the US seeks to pressure other NATO members to increase defence spending. NATO leadership gave credit to president Trump for his achievement, last year. And this year as well... which makes it hard to accept the theory that Trump supports Russia and seeks to hand over the planet to Vladimir Putin. For further reference, see thread OP: Now that the Russians are the good guys and Canadians, Brits and Europeans are the baddies, is a New World Order upon us? No. Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: I will point out that you went back about a year to find that And yet, most people haven't even heard of it, making it easier to distort the facts and present his position as anti-NATO, pro-Russia. Trump's style is very off-putting, which invokes an immediate negative response in people who are emotionally reactive. To those who stay calm, listen carefully, pay attention to the facts, there is nothing wrong here. Every president, or leader uses rhetoric and distraction to capture the attention of the public, while their true agenda is carried out regardless. Even Obama knew that complete transparency is unwise. His smile and soothing words were like sweet oil poured into the ears of leftists. Perhaps he even fooled you, fella. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: And yet, most people haven't even heard of it, making it easier to distort the facts and present his position as anti-NATO, pro-Russia. Trump's style is very off-putting, which invokes an immediate negative response in people who are emotionally reactive. To those who stay calm, listen carefully, pay attention to the facts, there is nothing wrong here. Every president, or leader uses rhetoric and distraction to capture the attention of the public, while their true agenda is carried out regardless. Even Obama knew that complete transparency is unwise. His smile and soothing words were like sweet oil poured into the ears of leftists. Perhaps he even fooled you, fella. Anyone who thinks Obama was left is fooled. I have already said that I held out hope that Trump could engineer 3rd path solutions. His arrogance, low intelligence and amorality worked against him. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: Anyone who thinks Obama was left is fooled. I have already said that I held out hope that Trump could engineer 3rd path solutions. His arrogance, low intelligence and amorality worked against him. I don't think Trump needs or wants hope....the "hopey changey" thing was Obama's joint. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: His arrogance, low intelligence and amorality worked against him. I agree with arrogance but can't say I do on intelligence, and amorality has no place in this discussion, imo. There are no moral legs for anyone to stand on. I see Trump, Obama and minor figures such as Trudeau as ideologues whose contribution to modern politics increases the divide. The reaction to Obama from his adversaries was equally visceral, and electing Donald Trump is the response. I'm expecting another shocker too- Trump has a good chance of winning a second term. Although, that is still a good way off and a lot can happen before then. As long as Trump s successful in the things that matter, he will win again. It seems those things which you point out mean little to the US voter. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't think Trump needs or wants hope....the "hopey changey" thing was Obama's joint. I suppose it fits that he gets more than he gives once again, even from me. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 8 hours ago, OftenWrong said: 1) ...amorality has no place in this discussion, imo. There are no moral legs for anyone to stand on. I see Trump, Obama and minor figures such as Trudeau as ideologues whose contribution to modern politics increases the divide. 2) ...those things which you point out mean little to the US voter. 1) Maybe so, but there is a political trade-off to being a bully. 2) Right. Well that will make it very simple for other countries when they are deciding whether to play along. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 25, 2018 Report Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: I suppose it fits that he gets more than he gives once again, even from me. Frankly, I don't know why Trump's critics keep investing themselves in such a way. Trump is exactly what he said he would be, doing the things he said he would do, without giving a damn about being called a "bully" for doing so. Do they think Trump will be "shamed" into changing his ways, or are they just whining and commiserating with each other until Trump goes away ? How many times does it take to be "shocked" until refraining from sticking fingers in a live electrical socket ? Putin/Russia cut deals with previous U.S. administrations too, so why can't Trump ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: 1) Frankly, I don't know why Trump's critics keep investing themselves in such a way. 2) Trump is exactly what he said he would be, doing the things he said he would do, without giving a damn about being called a "bully" for doing so. 3) Do they think Trump will be "shamed" into changing his ways, or are they just whining and commiserating with each other until Trump goes away ? 1) You have never been neurotic, maybe, or are so neurotic that you don't recognize your neurosis ? Those are possibilities. 2) He is definitely not a bully for fulfilling his campaign promises. 3) It's a fascination with the fact that none of the upstanding gentlemen around him can/will do anything to stop it. The system wasn't/isn't great just because, it is/was because of the design. It's a shame watching someone mash the buttons and break a beautiful thing. Maybe you are ok with it, because it's your thing to break. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 1) You have never been neurotic, maybe, or are so neurotic that you don't recognize your neurosis ? Those are possibilities. 2) He is definitely not a bully for fulfilling his campaign promises. 3) It's a fascination with the fact that none of the upstanding gentlemen around him can/will do anything to stop it. The system wasn't/isn't great just because, it is/was because of the design. It's a shame watching someone mash the buttons and break a beautiful thing. Maybe you are ok with it, because it's your thing to break. 1) Certainly possible, but I have always preferred reality over fantasy....photos over paintings. 2) Again, whether Trump is a "bully®" or not is secondary....his critic's neuroses would remain. 3) Stop what ? Trump is just another American president, like all those that have come before, doing things that presidents do. I think part of the cure for the neurotic folks is to come to terms with this reality. It's an American system, not Canadian, by design. Shame is a Canadian value. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
turningrite Posted July 26, 2018 Author Report Posted July 26, 2018 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Stop what ? Trump is just another American president, like all those that have come before, doing things that presidents do. I think part of the cure for the neurotic folks is to come to terms with this reality. It's an American system, not Canadian, by design. Shame is a Canadian value. The jury is out on whether he's just another American president. He seems intent on blowing everything up, fancying himself the great disruptor, so to speak. He doesn't seem to feel bound by the informal rules of moderation and decency that have governed the behavior of most U.S. presidents. He has mused about his admiration for presidential dictatorships, something I don't think any previous American president has done. (To be fair, our own PM seems to have a soft spot for some dictatorships as well, but he has far less global reach or importance than does an American president.) My read is that Trump is a self-serving and self-aggrandizing narcissist who's figured out how to employ the hyperpartisan political climate that now exists in the U.S. to serve his own personal interests and to impose his preferred agendas. In a broader context, what Trump is doing, and perhaps in so doing is performing a service to his countrymen (countrypeople?), is demonstrating that the unique system of checks and balances put in place by the republic's founders is vulnerable. It probably always has been vulnerable, but Trump is proving the point. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 26, 2018 Report Posted July 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, turningrite said: The jury is out on whether he's just another American president. The only jury is history, and history tells us that U.S. presidents have "blown up" lots of things in pursuit of American domestic and foreign policy interests. Again, Trump has not even started/joined a war yet, a basic benchmark for presidential "disruption". President Trump has done nothing that comes even close to what previous presidents have done to extend executive power. Trump is just another U.S. president...get use to it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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