jacee Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 The trade war is on! https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/eu-retaliatory-tariffs-us-begin-1.4717696 EU targets Harley Davidsons, peanuts, bourbon, orange juice. The trade war is on — and Trump voters are the target Jun 22 201 The European Union’s robust retaliatory tariffs came into force Friday on $3.2 billion of U.S. goods designed specifically to inflict pain on Donald Trump’s political base in the American heartland. https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/mbkdbp/european-union-trade-war-trump-voters Very interesting concept. Trade: https://www.google.ca/search?q=canada+trade+by+state&oq=canada+trade+by+state&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14865j1j7&client=ms-android-bell-ca&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=os6Ed5-pMJyIjM: Trump https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president Hmm... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 I have no doubt it's just what the Bilderbergs ordered. Oh well nothing we can do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paxamericana Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 hours ago, jacee said: The trade war is on! https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/eu-retaliatory-tariffs-us-begin-1.4717696 EU targets Harley Davidsons, peanuts, bourbon, orange juice. The trade war is on — and Trump voters are the target Jun 22 201 The European Union’s robust retaliatory tariffs came into force Friday on $3.2 billion of U.S. goods designed specifically to inflict pain on Donald Trump’s political base in the American heartland. https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/mbkdbp/european-union-trade-war-trump-voters Very interesting concept. Trade: https://www.google.ca/search?q=canada+trade+by+state&oq=canada+trade+by+state&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.14865j1j7&client=ms-android-bell-ca&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=os6Ed5-pMJyIjM: Trump https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president Hmm... LOL you call that war? Our economy is over 20 trillion. Do you realize how small 3.2 billion is? That's the price it cost to build a suburban shopping mall. I mean maybe in a tiny European nation that sounds big like the entire year's gdp. We are not an export dependent economy, . Our economy is the envy of the world. 80 percent of our GDP is services not physical goods exchange. "There are more jobs than people out of work" https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/there-are-more-jobs-than-people-out-of-work.html "The US economy suddenly looks like it's unstoppable Friday's economic data provided evidence the U.S. economy is heading into the second half of 2018 with strong momentum. Nonfarm payrolls beat expectations while manufacturing and construction indexes both showed accelerated growth. Economists are slowly ratcheting up expectations for growth through the end of the year, with widely followed measures putting the second quarter at between 3.6 percent and 4.8 percent." https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/the-us-economy-suddenly-looks-like-its-unstoppable.html GDP by sector Agriculture: 0.9% Industry: 18.9%Services: 80.2% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States In economics, a service is a transaction in which no physical goods are transferred from the seller to the buyer. This is important, soon automation will take over and almost all physical goods will be manufactured by robots so trade import/export are no longer necessary. You need to move your economy into the service sector which we have been doing since the 60's . Stop pouting like a child Canada and EU, take your medicine, you're only hurting your self. Free trade is good for you more than us so get on board the Trump economic train. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) It's not the size of the impact, it's the targeting that is interesting: In making up their own list of products to tax, EU leaders sought to make a point to US President Donald Trump and his supporters that protectionism carries a price. Among the items now subject to high taxes when entering the EU: bourbon whiskey from Kentucky, the home state of US Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell. Harley Davidson motorcycles and artisan cheese, both of which are produced in Wisconsin, the home state of Republican House speaker Paul Ryan. And orange juice - one of the most important crops in Florida: a swing state whose Republican governor, Rick Scott, is in a tight race for a Senate seat. https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2018/06/eu-slaps-tariffs-world-trade-war-inevitable-180622153429238.html Picking off Republican states one by one. Trump voters are going to feel the consequences of their own malice. Harleys, bourbon, peanuts and poker (playing cards). Sounds like a southern boys-night-out just took a hit! Lol I just have a droll appreciation for the irony of the EU's creative approach! I hope Trudeau comes up with some similar ideas. And btw ... we are not in need of the Trumptard's "medicine". He's an idiot manchild that a bunch of other angry idiot menchildren set loose to create chaos where none was needed. Edited June 23, 2018 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paxamericana Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, jacee said: It's not the size of the impact, it's the targeting that is interesting: In making up their own list of products to tax, EU leaders sought to make a point to US President Donald Trump and his supporters that protectionism carries a price. Among the items now subject to high taxes when entering the EU: bourbon whiskey from Kentucky, the home state of US Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell. Harley Davidson motorcycles and artisan cheese, both of which are produced in Wisconsin, the home state of Republican House speaker Paul Ryan. And orange juice - one of the most important crops in Florida: a swing state whose Republican governor, Rick Scott, is in a tight race for a Senate seat. https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2018/06/eu-slaps-tariffs-world-trade-war-inevitable-180622153429238.html Picking off Republican states one by one. Trump voters are going to feel the consequences of their own malice. Harleys, bourbon, peanuts and poker (playing cards). Sounds like a southern boys-night-out just took a hit! Lol I just have a droll appreciation for the irony of the EU's creative approach! I hope Trudeau comes up with some similar ideas. Once again, the tariff trump is imposing will hurt Canada and EU ALOT more than it will hurt us over here. If I was in your shoes I'd be worried. Your economy is slowing down not increasing. You do realize that most of these businesses they are targeting only affect a minority of the population in those states right? They're normally ran a few farm collective. Second you're thinking that Americans don't already buy these item, they'll just get it cheaper since there is an increase in supply. Cheaper bourbon, cheaper Harley sounds like they're doing us a favor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, paxrom said: Once again, the tariff trump is imposing will hurt Canada and EU ALOT more than it will hurt us over here. If I was in your shoes I'd be worried. Your economy is slowing down not increasing. You do realize that most of these businesses they are targeting only affect a minority of the population in those states right? They're normally ran a few farm collective. Second you're thinking that Americans don't already buy these item, they'll just get it cheaper since there is an increase in supply. Cheaper bourbon, cheaper Harley sounds like they're doing us a favor... Canada is the top international destination of exports for 36 different states. ... Exports to Canada, by % Exports to Canada, by $ Rank State Exports (%) Rank State Exports ($) #1 North Dakota 82.5% #1 Michigan $23.7B #2 Maine 47.5% #2 Texas $20.0B #3 Montana 46.7% #3 Ohio $19.2B #4 Michigan 43.3% #4 California $16.2B #5 Vermont 39.7% #5 Illinois $15.9B #6 Ohio 39.0% #6 New York $15.0B #7 Missouri 37.6% #7 Indiana $11.5B #8 South Dakota 37.1% #8 Pennsylvania $10.0B #9 Indiana 33.2% #9 Tennessee $8.7B #10 Wisconsin 31.4% #10 Kentucky $7.5B On average, 15.0% of all U.S. international trade is with Canada - but as you can see above, some states are clearly more reliant on this trade than others. http://www.businessinsider.com/infographic-trade-with-canada-by-state-2017-9 Hmmm ... which are Trump states? Look out Trump voters! We're coming after YOU!! Edited June 23, 2018 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paxamericana Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, jacee said: Canada is the top international destination of exports for 36 different states. ... Exports to Canada, by % Exports to Canada, by $ Rank State Exports (%) Rank State Exports ($) #1 North Dakota 82.5% #1 Michigan $23.7B #2 Maine 47.5% #2 Texas $20.0B #3 Montana 46.7% #3 Ohio $19.2B #4 Michigan 43.3% #4 California $16.2B #5 Vermont 39.7% #5 Illinois $15.9B #6 Ohio 39.0% #6 New York $15.0B #7 Missouri 37.6% #7 Indiana $11.5B #8 South Dakota 37.1% #8 Pennsylvania $10.0B #9 Indiana 33.2% #9 Tennessee $8.7B #10 Wisconsin 31.4% #10 Kentucky $7.5B On average, 15.0% of all U.S. international trade is with Canada - but as you can see above, some states are clearly more reliant on this trade than others. http://www.businessinsider.com/infographic-trade-with-canada-by-state-2017-9 Hmmm ... which are Trump states? Right and how many of those dollars do you think is going to be tariffed, because from what I understand you're going to either commit economic suicide to match trump's tariff or we simply start production on steel and aluminium which is what trump has been trying to do all this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, paxrom said: Right and how many of those dollars do you think is going to be tariffed, because from what I understand you're going to either commit economic suicide to match trump's tariff or we simply start production on steel and aluminium which is what trump has been trying to do all this time. Election time! Hahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 9 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I have no doubt it's just what the Bilderbergs ordered. Oh well nothing we can do. The Bilderbergs? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 hours ago, paxrom said: Right and how many of those dollars do you think is going to be tariffed, because from what I understand you're going to either commit economic suicide to match trump's tariff or we simply start production on steel and aluminium which is what trump has been trying to do all this time. You can already produce steel. You just can't produce enough or as cheaply. Since you are now going pay substantially more that makes you increased military budget slashed because you get far less far more cost./ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 4 hours ago, paxrom said: Once again, the tariff trump is imposing will hurt Canada and EU ALOT more than it will hurt us over here. If I was in your shoes I'd be worried. Your economy is slowing down not increasing. You do realize that most of these businesses they are targeting only affect a minority of the population in those states right? They're normally ran a few farm collective. Second you're thinking that Americans don't already buy these item, they'll just get it cheaper since there is an increase in supply. Cheaper bourbon, cheaper Harley sounds like they're doing us a favor... Of course it will hurt Canada more. We are a smaller country that relied on a historical trust relationship. The question is why do you want to hurt Canada. By the way check the power Grid. http://www.cbc.ca/news2/can... Power grid ..scroll down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paxamericana Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Jimwd said: Of course it will hurt Canada more. We are a smaller country that relied on a historical trust relationship. The question is why do you want to hurt Canada. By the way check the power Grid. http://www.cbc.ca/news2/can... Power grid ..scroll down Jimmmmmm......... if you shut off the power grid then we'll do what we always done, burn more fossil fuel... you wouldn't want that! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 9 hours ago, paxrom said: Once again, the tariff trump is imposing will hurt Canada and EU ALOT more than it will hurt us over here. If I was in your shoes I'd be worried. Your economy is slowing down not increasing. You do realize that most of these businesses they are targeting only affect a minority of the population in those states right? They're normally ran a few farm collective. Second you're thinking that Americans don't already buy these item, they'll just get it cheaper since there is an increase in supply. Cheaper bourbon, cheaper Harley sounds like they're doing us a favor... Most Canadians always believe that it is always the other country that is the problem and at fault. Our dear leader politicians brought this problem on many many decades ago. When a country puts a 270% tariff on dairy products all to appease Quebec then you know that someone here in Canada does not want to play fair ball. Tariffs need to be abolished and let the best man/woman win in the markets and business game. The government only screws up and makes things worse rather than better. Just saying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 Trump's tariffs play has lees to do with the actual import taxes and far more to do with busting up the status quo. Canada and the EU already had plenty of tariff and non-tariff barriers to American exports, so these are nothing new. U.S. autos were already taxed at 10% by the EU. President Trump wants to force changes and concessions that will reduce the U.S. trade imbalances with many nations. Canada has a lot more to lose if NAFTA goes away. Canada will remain far more dependent on export trade to the USA, and this should have been addressed long before Trump came along. Now Canada finds itself very vulnerable to a trade war with the world's largest economy. Canada is not the #1 customer for 35 states...Americans are. The U.S. does not exist to benefit the Canadian economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Jimwd said: The Bilderbergs? Why? Aw yes, those Bilderberg globalist corporations that believe in free trade and all about and for themselves. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, paxrom said: Jimmmmmm......... if you shut off the power grid then we'll do what we always done, burn more fossil fuel... you wouldn't want that! Canada imports about 1 million bpd of oil and distillates to the east from the USA, mostly because Canada has consistently failed to build east-west pipeline and refinery infrastructure, and it is even more difficult to do so now given their divisive politics and tree huggers. Two can play at the power grid game. Edited June 23, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's tariffs play has lees to do with the actual import taxes and far more to do with busting up the status quo. Canada and the EU already had plenty of tariff and non-tariff barriers to American exports, so these are nothing new. U.S. autos were already taxed at 10% by the EU. President Trump wants to force changes and concessions that will reduce the U.S. trade imbalances with many nations. Canada has a lot more to lose if NAFTA goes away. Canada will remain far more dependent on export trade to the USA, and this should have been addressed long before Trump came along. Now Canada finds itself very vulnerable to a trade war with the world's largest economy. Canada is not the #1 customer for 35 states...Americans are. The U.S. does not exist to benefit the Canadian economy. But there are so many Canadians who believe that we Canadians do not need no stinkin' America to survive. Bad thoughts. LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, taxme said: But there are so many Canadians who believe that we Canadians do not need no stinkin' America to survive. Bad thoughts. LOL. That's why I like what Trump is doing here....stripping away all the false pretenses and double talk. For many Canadians it has always been: HATE the Americans, but LOVE the American economy and Yankee investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canada imports about 1 million bpd of oil and distillates to the east from the USA, mostly because Canada has consistently failed to build east-west pipeline and refinery infrastructure, and it is even more difficult to do so now given their divisive politics and tree huggers. Two can play at the power grid game. Canadians? Always out to kick themselves in the ass. Canada could create thousands of new jobs if it were not for the tree huggers and the native Indians who are always out to try and stop progress and who would prefer not to have any new pipeline or refinery infrastructure being built in Canada. Here in Canada a tiny minority of tree lovers and Indians always get to run and rule over the majority. It would appear as though they would like to send Canada back to the good old 18th century way of life and living where the chopping of wood was needed to try and keep warm. I don't think that those same anti-everything people will like to see all of those trees being cut down. What about the birds? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's why I like what Trump is doing here....stripping away all the false pretenses and double talk. For many Canadians it has always been: HATE the Americans, but LOVE the American economy and Yankee investment. We can thank the left wing liberal Canadian MSM for all the hatred that has been spewed and heaped on America by those fools, especially now that Trump is the new sheriff in town. They cannot seem to get enough of bashing Trump. But what can one expect from a bunch of crybaby losers. The only way that Canadians who care really and want to know as to what is really happening in America is to try and listen to FOX news for a change. FOX will not bite and they come up with some pretty good answers and reasons as to why the liberal lying and fake MSM hates America and Trump so much and want to see Trump fail on everything. America is lucky to have a leader like Trump. And then there is the feminist prime mistake of Canada. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, taxme said: But there are so many Canadians who believe that we Canadians do not need no stinkin' America to survive. Bad thoughts. LOL. Many Americans sold their souls choosing Russia over America. Your have done the same with America over Canada.. believe me..this won’t end well for either of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 37 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canada imports about 1 million bpd of oil and distillates to the east from the USA, mostly because Canada has consistently failed to build east-west pipeline and refinery infrastructure, and it is even more difficult to do so now given their divisive politics and tree huggers. Two can play at the power grid game. 18 minutes ago, taxme said: We can thank the left wing liberal Canadian MSM for all the hatred that has been spewed and heaped on America by those fools, especially now that Trump is the new sheriff in town. They cannot seem to get enough of bashing Trump. But what can one expect from a bunch of crybaby losers. The only way that Canadians who care really and want to know as to what is really happening in America is to try and listen to FOX news for a change. FOX will not bite and they come up with some pretty good answers and reasons as to why the liberal lying and fake MSM hates America and Trump so much and want to see Trump fail on everything. America is lucky to have a leader like Trump. And then there is the feminist prime mistake of Canada. LOL. 18 minutes ago, taxme said: We can thank the left wing liberal Canadian MSM for all the hatred that has been spewed and heaped on America by those fools, especially now that Trump is the new sheriff in town. They cannot seem to get enough of bashing Trump. But what can one expect from a bunch of crybaby losers. The only way that Canadians who care really and want to know as to what is really happening in America is to try and listen to FOX news for a change. FOX will not bite and they come up with some pretty good answers and reasons as to why the liberal lying and fake MSM hates America and Trump so much and want to see Trump fail on everything. America is lucky to have a leader like Trump. And then there is the feminist prime mistake of Canada. LOL. 18 minutes ago, taxme said: We can thank the left wing liberal Canadian MSM for all the hatred that has been spewed and heaped on America by those fools, especially now that Trump is the new sheriff in town. They cannot seem to get enough of bashing Trump. But what can one expect from a bunch of crybaby losers. The only way that Canadians who care really and want to know as to what is really happening in America is to try and listen to FOX news for a change. FOX will not bite and they come up with some pretty good answers and reasons as to why the liberal lying and fake MSM hates America and Trump so much and want to see Trump fail on everything. America is lucky to have a leader like Trump. And then there is the feminist prime mistake of Canada. LOL. Trump is a demoagogue that insulted his way to the presidency and is a pathological liar. Fox is a propaganda network for sheep and those with the cult infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Jimwd said: Trump is a demoagogue that insulted his way to the presidency and is a pathological liar. Fox is a propaganda network for sheep and those with the cult infection. So ? Trump is POTUS, and he matters a lot more than Justin Trudeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, taxme said: Most Canadians always believe that it is always the other country that is the problem and at fault. Our dear leader politicians brought this problem on many many decades ago. When a country puts a 270% tariff on dairy products all to appease Quebec then you know that someone here in Canada does not want to play fair ball. Tariffs need to be abolished and let the best man/woman win in the markets and business game. The government only screws up and makes things worse rather than better. Just saying. 270% Tarifs is because America subsidizes its dairy to the tune of 20 billion. That’s why it’s not free trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So ? Trump is POTUS, and he matters a lot more than Justin Trudeau. Sure hitler mattered for awhile as well. What’s your point. Want to know your future ? Study the past 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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