Trump-Trudeau Fall-Out

[betsy]

By now, we already know about the press conference given by Trump prior to leaving for Singapore, and the famous closing statement at the G7 meeting given by Trudeau:

 

 

 

and his statement had triggered Trump's famous tweet:

 

Based on Justin’s false statements at his news conference, and the fact that Canada is charging massive Tariffs to our U.S. farmers, workers and companies, I have instructed our U.S. Reps not to endorse the Communique as we look at Tariffs on automobiles flooding the U.S. Market!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/g7-leaders-final-communique-1.4699658

 

 

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Trump adviser says Trudeau 'stabbed us in the back' at G7 summit

White House aide Larry Kudlow told CNN's State of the Union that Trudeau has done a "great disservice" to the G7 by saying Canada had to stand up for itself and that the U.S. was responsible for the problem with tariffs.

Kudlow said Trump won't let a Canadian prime minister push him around on the eve of his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/white-house-adviser-kudlow-trump-trudeau-g7-summit-blame-1.4700061

 

 

 

I watched Kudlow on Face The Nation (the video clip isn't up yet),  and he blasted Trudeau for his closing statement.  

Kudlow said that he was in the room when they had the bilateral meeting - and it was progressing (the same sentiment was repeated by Morneau at Evan Solomon's Question Period, that it was constructive and progressing). 

Kudlow said that Trudeau should know better than to take pot-shots at Trump, especially at a time when Trump is headed for an important negotiation with Kim Jong Un  - Trump would definitely want to look strong, and wouldn't let any pot-shots go by!

 

APPARENTLY....EVERYTHING WAS GOING ON PROGRESSIVELY.....UNTIL TRUDEAU MADE HIS POT SHOTS AGAIN!   At a worst timing to boot!

 

Now, we're facing a very critical time (according to Solomon).  Putting a tarriff on automobiles will hit our economy really bad.  Retaliation won't do us any good - at the end of the day.....it's Canada that will suffer the most.

 

What to do with this Trudeau?  He can't control himself!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2018 by betsy

[turningrite]

Trudeau likes to present reality according to the things he chooses to see. Trump presents reality according to what he chooses to see. The main difference between the two is that Trump has a lot more power. Trudeau can live within his sunny world of unicorns and rainbows without the rest of the world taking a whole lot of notice. Trump's world view, on the other hand, is more consequential. I mainly ignore Trudeau's (often bizarre) musings. But nobody can ignore Trump's. 

[Argus]

I don't honestly see what Trudeau said that should provoke such anger. It wasn't anything he hadn't said repeatedly over the last couple of weeks, and he didn't mention Trump by name or say anything insulting about him. What were these 'potshots' he took at Trump? What exactly were Trudeau's 'false statements' that Kudlow was whining about?  Maybe you could point them out to me.

Edited June 10, 2018 by Argus

[BubberMiley]

No, she can't point them out because it didn't happen. I imagine Trudeau's approval ratings will skyrocket though. 

[betsy]

34 minutes ago, Argus said:

I don't honestly see what Trudeau said that should provoke such anger. It wasn't anything he hadn't said repeatedly over the last couple of weeks, and he didn't mention Trump by name or say anything insulting about him. What were these 'potshots' he took at Trump? What exactly were Trudeau's 'false statements' that Kudlow was whining about?  Maybe you could point them out to me.

Kudlow had said that he was in the room when Trump and Trudeau were having their meeting, and he said that the negotiation was going on progressively.   Morneau had said the same thing to Evan Solomon - that the meeting was constructive (so they were getting somewhere if that's the case) - therefore, what Kudlow had said isn't false.

Trudeau's speech (which he'd said repeatedly BEFORE this bilateral meeting).....some of  it must've gone contrary to what was being achieved at that bilateral meeting (during the G7 summit).   he must've walked back on some of it.

I don't know what was said at that bilateral meeting.....Morneau was vague about it.

[BubberMiley]

If you take Trump's word for it, he "must've." But you'd have to be pretty naive to take Trump's word for anything. Given what Trudeau actually said at the press conference, it's hard to imagine what would have been considered so offensive. Do you have a theory or do you just parrot Trump whenever he wants to distract from his blatant prostrate advocacy for Putin?

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, turningrite said:

Trudeau likes to present reality according to the things he chooses to see. Trump presents reality according to what he chooses to see. The main difference between the two is that Trump has a lot more power. Trudeau can live within his sunny world of unicorns and rainbows without the rest of the world taking a whole lot of notice. Trump's world view, on the other hand, is more consequential. I mainly ignore Trudeau's (often bizarre) musings. But nobody can ignore Trump's. 

 

Agreed....Trump likes to be a jerk, but he matters a lot more than Trudeau.  To Trump, Trudeau is just a putz.

Edited June 10, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I don't honestly see what Trudeau said that should provoke such anger. It wasn't anything he hadn't said repeatedly over the last couple of weeks, and he didn't mention Trump by name or say anything insulting about him. What were these 'potshots' he took at Trump? What exactly were Trudeau's 'false statements' that Kudlow was whining about?  Maybe you could point them out to me.

Not to mention that Trump decided to get rid of NAFTA and put tariffs on Canadian products first, I am not sure what the hell they are complaining about.  This seems like a logical move for Trudeau to only throw down the same rules. It seems that Trudeau was wanting to avoid it overall, but screw it. We also have to take care of our own.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/white-house-adviser-kudlow-trump-trudeau-g7-summit-blame-1.4700061

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"POTUS is not going to let a Canadian prime minister push him around … on the eve of this," he said firmly. "Kim must not see American weakness."

Trudeau has done a "great disservice" to the G7 by saying Canada had to stand up for itself and that the U.S. was responsible for the problem with tariffs, Kudlow added.

Trump already looks weak because of how he has carried out his term so far. But all those other leaders can all piss up a rope because only after Trudeau imposed the same thing that Trump did first, other leaders look at him as weak. That's a strong move in my opinion. And I guess Trudeau might be tired of being pushed around himself. I'd tell Trump to go pound sand too!

[Queenmandy85]

We should have a charity boxing match between President Trump and Prime Minister Trudeau. No stakes, but with the current publicity, it could raise billions around the world and it would give President Trump the opportunity to demonstrate his courage and toughness. It would show who is meek and mild.

[bush_cheney2004]

I love it...it is game on with Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau....no more playing nicey nice (the Canadian way).  

This has gone far beyond boycotting Heinz ketchup !!!

 

 

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Justin Trudeau spoke proudly, defiantly on behalf of Canadians. “We are polite and reasonable,” he said at the G7 summit. “But we will absolutely not be pushed around.”

A noble thought. But guess what? He is being pushed around and there’s not much he can do about it. Donald Trump’s got howitzers. He’s got pop guns.

It’s here, an economic confrontation, a bilateral donnybrook the likes of which has not been seen in decades. 

... Ottawa now has precious few cards to play, a Canadian insider involved in trade negotiations told me. If it tries further retaliatory measures on top of its steel and aluminum ones, it risks further Trump reprisals. The big dog has all the advantages. While only 16 per cent of U.S. exports go to Canada, 72 per cent of Canada’s go south.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-what-can-trudeau-do-about-trump-the-bully-absolutely-nothing/

 

[betsy]

 

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Peter Navarro says 'there's a special place in hell' for Justin Trudeau

 

Navarro, in his interview on Fox, said Trump "did the courtesy to Justin Trudeau to travel up to Quebec for that summit" and that Trump had "bigger things on his plate" than the G7 meeting, namely his planned meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore.

 

"He did him a favor," Navarro said. "And he was even willing to sign that socialist communique, and what did Trudeau do as soon as the plane took off from Canadian airspace? Trudeau stuck our President in the back."

 

Asked if these were statements from the President, Navarro said they were his words, but that they reflected "the sentiment that was on Air Force One."

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/10/politics/peter-navarro-justin-trudeau/index.html

 

 

I'm highlighting  "socialist." 

 

I don't believe that Trump is against the western world.  His beef is with the socialist ideology that drives these leaders!

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, betsy said:

I'm highlighting  "socialist." 

 

I don't believe that Trump is against the western world.  His beef is with the socialist ideology that drives these leaders!

 

Indeed...as Justin Trudeau is far more interested in his feminist agenda, carbon taxes, climate change, etc., etc. etc....not tariff and non-tariff barriers to trade.

Ontario turfed Kathleen Wynne and her "progressive" party last week...Trudeau is next (2019).

[betsy]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Indeed...as Justin Trudeau is far more interested in his feminist agenda, carbon taxes, climate change, etc., etc. etc....not tariff and non-tariff barriers to trade.

 

Look at most, if not all, G6 minus 1 members! 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

 

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How far will Trump go against Canada? Just watch him.

Evan Solomon: The Quebec summit was a disaster and the irrational Trump now sees a trade war with Canada as not only a political win but a personal one.

 

These are now the most dangerous days of the Trudeau era. An escalating trade war with the United States has turned into a deeply personal showdown between the leaders, and now Donald Trump is threatening to hit Canada with a 25 per cent tariff on Canadian autos.

 

“That would be close to an existential threat to our economy,“ a senior Liberal source involved in the trade negotiations told me. How fast could that happen? “The U.S. could push them through as early as July.”

 

I was stunned by that. While polls show  Canadians support the Prime Minister’s attitude that Canada will not be pushed around—we should not be—just let that sink in.

By July the U.S. could send our economy into spasms. How far will Trump go? Just watch him.

 

If the main mission of the G7 Summit was to de-escalate trade tensions with the U.S., the mission failed spectacularly.

 

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/how-far-will-trump-go-against-canada-just-watch-him/

 

 

Well folks, let's enjoy the ride.

Edited June 10, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

 

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Trump May Actually Be Right About the Trade Deficit With Canada

 

Canadian officials tend to use U.S. data to make their case and the Bureau of Economic Analysis has calculated the U.S. had a $7.7 billion surplus in 2016.

But Statistics Canada data show it’s Canada with the surplus in goods and services, totaling C$18.8 billion ($14.6 billion) last year. That’s a $22.3 billion difference between the two measures.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-may-actually-be-right-about-the-trade-deficit-with-canada

[bush_cheney2004]

Trudeau/Morneau imposed yuuuge tariffs/duty on U.S. made gypsum board (drywall) back in 2016....before Trump was  president.

Could be a great stock buying opportunity on Monday morning !

[betsy]

 

 

Watch the whole interview! 

Edited June 10, 2018 by betsy

[Argus]

2 hours ago, betsy said:

I don't know what was said at that bilateral meeting.....Morneau was vague about it.

More importantly, Kudlow was vague about it, and neither he nor the other Americans have given any hint as to how Trudeau went back on any sort of agreement by saying the same thing in an interview he has been saying for weeks.

 

[betsy]

Just now, Argus said:

More importantly, Kudlow was vague about it, and neither he nor the other Americans have given any hint as to how Trudeau went back on any sort of agreement by saying the same thing in an interview he has been saying for weeks.

 

Watch the whole video above.

[BubberMiley]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

Watch the whole video above.

Still exceptionally vague. Did you get something I missed? 

 

[Argus]

14 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-may-actually-be-right-about-the-trade-deficit-with-canada

From your cite.

For example, it could be argued Canada’s statistics agency is overstating exports. Canadian businesses often import goods from third countries such as China only to re-export those goods to the American market. Statistics Canada records that as a Canadian export; the U.S. data would record that as an import from China, not Canada.

[betsy]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

From your cite.

For example, it could be argued Canada’s statistics agency is overstating exports. Canadian businesses often import goods from third countries such as China only to re-export those goods to the American market. Statistics Canada records that as a Canadian export; the U.S. data would record that as an import from China, not Canada.

That's just an example given to this statement that preceded that:

 

To be sure, it’s not clear what the bottom line would look like if the two measures were harmonized, or which methodology better reflects the true state of trade between the two countries.

 

And continuation to that example:

 

In other instances however, the U.S. data may be failing to capture some Canada exports, particularly services that are much more difficult to measure than goods. The Statistics Canada data show a much larger number -- in the order of $15 billion a year -- in Canadian service exports to the U.S. than is captured by the American numbers. While statisticians aren’t sure exactly why, one explanation may be that U.S. firms with operations in Canada aren’t reporting their foreign costs as service imports.

Edited June 10, 2018 by betsy

[turningrite]

21 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

No, she can't point them out because it didn't happen. I imagine Trudeau's approval ratings will skyrocket though. 

There clearly appear to be differing narratives emerging from the American and Canadian administrations. Trump has to keep his base convinced that he's being tough on America's trading partners and Trudeau needs to have Canadians believe that his government is aggressively representing Canadian interests. As often as Trudeau's ministers have tried to reassure us on the progress of the NAFTA negotiations, their American counterparts have made it equally clear that there's a wide gulf between the two sides. Trump's basic premise, which is that the globalized trading regime has been rigged against the interests of ordinary workers, is quite accurate. What he doesn't seem willing to acknowledge is that workers in other developed countries, including Canada, have been negatively impacted. Trudeau, who's mesmerized by globalist ideology and thinks things just need to be tweaked a bit, seems oblivious. But what should we expect from somebody who's never had to endure and survive the vicissitudes of the real economy? Further, we give Trump and the Americans lots of ammunition. Why we continue to support supply management in some agricultural sectors, other than to appease powerful domestic constituencies, remains a mystery to me. It undermines our credibility when we argue for free trade. Further, our openness to foreign investment from some countries may in fact generate security concerns, although this is an inconvenient reality for Trudeau. And Trump's desired sunset clause, while perhaps offering too short a period for meaningful assessment, isn't entirely unreasonable. Revisiting these arrangements is the only way to promote accountability and make necessary adjustments. Trudeau and Trump are talking past each other. But I think Trump has the stronger hand. 

Edited June 11, 2018 by turningrite

[bush_cheney2004]

Trudeau was warned to never engage Trump at his low level of discourse, as this only favours Trump's glee and advantage while rolling in the mud.

Even before Trump was elected in 2016, Trudeau went out of his way to goad Trump on American television (e.g. 60 Minutes interview), without specifically naming him.

Neither Trudeau or Obama ever thought that Trump would become president....wrong !

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Trudeau is doing a great job...in addition to the usual inter-provincial trade barriers, pipeline wars (between BC and AB + east-west), and carbon taxes, now he has a full blown trade war with Canada's most important export market.    And the Liberal Party was decimated in the Ontariowe election by a candidate they enthusiastically compared to Donald Trump !

How did it go so wrong...so fast ?

Edited June 10, 2018 by bush_cheney2004