Equity Pay

[August1991]

1) Should women pay a higher percentage of their income into CPP/RRQ?

On average, women live longer than men and so women receive more pension payments than men. (Simply put: Many working men die before age 65, never receiving any pension at all.)

2) Should men in general pay higher taxes?

(Because of childbirth, women bear a greater burden than men in lost wages.)

3) Should female same-sex couples (without children) pay more tax than male same-sex couples (with children)?

 

[Bonam]

No, and none of these kinds of questions are worth thinking about it. Treat everyone as an individual, period. 

[August1991]

11 minutes ago, Bonam said:

No, and none of these kinds of questions are worth thinking about it. Treat everyone as an individual, period. 

But how to assess taxes? "Treat everyone as an individual, period."

You mean: tax an infant? Should parents pay tax for children in a household?

IOW: What is the tax unit: the individual or household?

[Bonam]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

But how to assess taxes? "Treat everyone as an individual, period."

You mean: tax an infant? Should parents pay tax for children in a household?

IOW: What is the tax unit: the individual or household?

Tax is assessed on income (and sales, property, etc), not on people. Unless the infant is working, they don't pay tax. 

[August1991]

1 minute ago, Bonam said:

Tax is assessed on income (and sales, property, etc), not on people. Unless the infant is working, they don't pay tax. 

Make no mistake, an individual - a living person - writes a cheque to pay tax to the government.

The question is how to determine what amount to pay.

1. Should a woman pay more tax than a man - since women live longer and receive more State benefits.

2. Should a man pay more tax than a woman - since women suffer more the cost of child-bearing.

3. In same-sex couples, how to assess these taxes? For example, should two women living together (without a child) have lower taxes than two men (with a child)? 

[AngusThermopyle]

A silly premise. Our taxation system is already an out of control labyrinthine monster. You would propose increasing it's complexity? Just out and out silly. Here's an idea, since politicians are so fond of creating new taxes they should pay the lions share instead.

[Goddess]

Here's my idea to simplify the tax code:

1.  How much money did you make this year?

2.  How much did you spend?

3.  How much do you have left?

4.  Send it in.

[Queenmandy85]

My wife began to lose the use of her legs in December. After a very short waiting period, she saw a neurologist who had her admitted to hospital in an hour. She had an MRI the next morning and a week later she had a benign tumour removed from her spinal cord and, after a second MRI, she was transferred to the rehabilitation ward. She is now home and almost completely recovered. Without SaskHealth, we would have been in bankruptcy within two weeks. I love paying my taxes. 

[AngusThermopyle]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My wife began to lose the use of her legs in December. After a very short waiting period, she saw a neurologist who had her admitted to hospital in an hour. She had an MRI the next morning and a week later she had a benign tumour removed from her spinal cord and, after a second MRI, she was transferred to the rehabilitation ward. She is now home and almost completely recovered. Without SaskHealth, we would have been in bankruptcy within two weeks. I love paying my taxes. 

Not the same story here in Ontario. Even though we pay McGuinty's "not a tax, it's a health levy", that goes straight into general revenues.

[Queenmandy85]

We don't pay a health levy in Saskatchewan. No premiums. It is all paid for by general revenue. God I love Saskatchewan.

[August1991]

On 3/22/2018 at 10:33 AM, Goddess said:

Here's my idea to simplify the tax code:

1.  How much money did you make this year?

2.  How much did you spend?

3.  How much do you have left?

4.  Send it in.

You propose a tax on saving. Ugh.

Is it any wonder that even Trump is reducing the corporate tax?

[August1991]

On 3/22/2018 at 3:23 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

My wife began to lose the use of her legs in December. After a very short waiting period, she saw a neurologist who had her admitted to hospital in an hour. She had an MRI the next morning and a week later she had a benign tumour removed from her spinal cord and, after a second MRI, she was transferred to the rehabilitation ward. She is now home and almost completely recovered. Without SaskHealth, we would have been in bankruptcy within two weeks. I love paying my taxes. 

First, I wish your wife well.

But second, is this care that your wife received "sustainable"? Will people in Saskatchewan in the future receive the same care as your wife?

Third, who created the technology to care for your wife?

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Queenmandy, you seem to view health (as most people, even me) as sometimes a life and death issue. For politicians and bureaucrats and insurance-types, it's not. For them, it's a numbers game.

Edited March 24, 2018 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Queenmandy, you seem to view health (as most people, even me) as sometimes a life and death issue. For politicians and bureaucrats and insurance-types, it's not. For them, it's a numbers game.

As long as we watch the numbers closely, and educate ourselves about how it all works we will collectively keep them honest.

[Queenmandy85]

I'm sorry to have contributed to thread drift. On the topic, remuneration should be based on the service provided, not the gender. CPP and income tax should also be based on a citizen's income, not gender.

[GostHacked]

On 3/22/2018 at 3:19 AM, August1991 said:

Make no mistake, an individual - a living person - writes a cheque to pay tax to the government.

The question is how to determine what amount to pay.

1. Should a woman pay more tax than a man - since women live longer and receive more State benefits.

2. Should a man pay more tax than a woman - since women suffer more the cost of child-bearing.

3. In same-sex couples, how to assess these taxes? For example, should two women living together (without a child) have lower taxes than two men (with a child)? 

I think your notion is incorrect.  Women should simply save more for those later years. Paying more taxes does not put the money back in your pocket for retirement, never has, never will.

You'd be better off going with women need to invest more into savings because they end up living longer than men.

[August1991]

On 3/22/2018 at 5:04 AM, AngusThermopyle said:

A silly premise. Our taxation system is already an out of control labyrinthine monster. You would propose increasing it's complexity? Just out and out silly. Here's an idea, since politicians are so fond of creating new taxes they should pay the lions share instead.

Greg, I hate this current forum software.

It was far, far, far better before. Pls, keep it simple. 

On 3/22/2018 at 5:04 AM, AngusThermopyle said:

A silly premise. Our taxation system is already an out of control labyrinthine monster. You would propose increasing it's complexity? Just out and out silly. Here's an idea, since politicians are so fond of creating new taxes they should pay the lions share instead.

I tend to agree.

Years ago, I recall an economist describing our tax system as a black hat with numbers: pull a number, that's your tax rate.

[Argus]

On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 10:33 AM, Goddess said:

Here's my idea to simplify the tax code:

1.  How much money did you make this year?

2.  How much did you spend?

3.  How much do you have left?

4.  Send it in.

Look up Hollywood Accounting sometime. 

[RB]

On ‎22‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 1:42 AM, August1991 said:

1) Should women pay a higher percentage of their income into CPP/RRQ?

On average, women live longer than men and so women receive more pension payments than men. (Simply put: Many working men die before age 65, never receiving any pension at all.)

2) Should men in general pay higher taxes?

(Because of childbirth, women bear a greater burden than men in lost wages.)

3) Should female same-sex couples (without children) pay more tax than male same-sex couples (with children)?

 

First I would like to distinguish that gender equity in regards to pay is meant to bring wages together (male and female) for same work perform, then the tax and other deduction follows - equal treatment.

The argument is expanded.  Since there is a discrepancy in the wages, women making less, overall then, women will work longer in order to match the amounts of taxes men pay.  Therefore they need to live longer to make equal tax and equal pension.  The wage discrepancy also explain that a pension contribution of 7% from women and employer is different from 7% from men and employer for the same job.

WHO 2015 data shows in Canada life expectance Male 80.2, female 84.1. 

We can say then that the tax system helps to determine when we can die.  This is just a view based on the conversation.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by RB