bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2018 Report Posted March 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: It was said above that "Americans" are ignorant bigots. I find that view itself to be bigoted. P.S., only 46% of those who voted in 2016 voted for Donald Trump. But this thread isn't specifically about Donald Trump. There are plenty of those. You can be a decent person and still end up having a twat for a President. Agreed....history decides whether U.S. presidents are "good" or "bad", not bigoted foreign nationals. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted March 24, 2018 Report Posted March 24, 2018 12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....history decides whether U.S. presidents are "good" or "bad", not bigoted foreign nationals. Let's look back on some recent history. Bush Sr, bad. Bill Clinton, bad. Bush Jr, bad. Obama, bad. Good trend so far. Quote
taxme Posted March 24, 2018 Report Posted March 24, 2018 20 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: It was said above that "Americans" are ignorant bigots. I find that view itself to be bigoted. P.S., only 46% of those who voted in 2016 voted for Donald Trump. But this thread isn't specifically about Donald Trump. There are plenty of those. You can be a decent person and still end up having a twat for a President. Personally, I think that Trump just fumbled the ball and has just given the democrats new life as a result of this omnibus bill which gave just about everything that the democrats wanted in the bill and nothing for Trump that he told the people that he was ready to fight for. It is starting to look like he has betrayed the people that voted for him. The globalist zionist banksters got to him and now control him. The swamp is back. The draining of the swamp appears as though it will be allowed to fill back up again from what it had lost. It's like I always said, politicians can never be trusted when it comes to the peoples interest or their money. It's all about them. They just lie to us all and are the real enemy of the people. My opinion. Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted March 25, 2018 Author Report Posted March 25, 2018 you didn't just say "zionist" did you? Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
Penderyn Posted March 25, 2018 Report Posted March 25, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 1:56 AM, JamesHackerMP said: It was said above that "Americans" are ignorant bigots. I find that view itself to be bigoted. P.S., only 46% of those who voted in 2016 voted for Donald Trump. But this thread isn't specifically about Donald Trump. There are plenty of those. You can be a decent person and still end up having a twat for a President. Yes...but, there is something extremely sick about a country that produces so ignorant and spiteful a 46%. The Us has produced some very admirable people, but I think it's been burning up its 'soft power lately' like Russians meeting invaders with the 'scorched earth'. Sad! Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted March 25, 2018 Author Report Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Have you ever stopped to consider that people may have had different reasons for voting for whom they did? Like maybe they found Hillary almost equally unpalatable? I myself try to keep an open mind when it comes to other people's political systems. Have you met every one of those 46% who voted for Trump? How can you tell they're all ignorant and spiteful? This election year was the worst I've ever seen. It doesn't have so much to do with the fact that Trump was elected, but that the nominees that year were absolute s****. Polls done before the election show that most people voted for their candidate of choice because they disliked them less than the opposition, not because they actually liked them at all. It was one of those elections--where you have to choose between dumb and dumber. Think before you judge. Edited March 25, 2018 by JamesHackerMP Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2018 Report Posted March 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: ....This election year was the worst I've ever seen. It doesn't have so much to do with the fact that Trump was elected, but that the nominees that year were absolute s****. Polls done before the election show that most people voted for their candidate of choice because they disliked them less than the opposition, not because they actually liked them at all. It was one of those elections--where you have to choose between dumb and dumber. Yes...and no. I rejected both major party candidates as unsuitable and voted for a third party candidate instead, just as I have done several times in the past (John Anderson, Ross Perot, and no vote cast for president). My fiscal reservations about Trump have been realized with the latest U.S. federal budget, but he is nevertheless the 45th president of the United States with other policies that I do "support" (e.g. illegal immigration). 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TTM Posted March 25, 2018 Report Posted March 25, 2018 On 2018-03-18 at 9:48 AM, JamesHackerMP said: I've done a little looking on Google about this. In this first story, it surprised me how much foreigners are skewed toward the Democratic Party. Fortunately, a few have refused to actually take sides (which seems wiser when you're trying to view another country's politics). http://www.politics1.com/intl.htm I haven't been able to find much more, even with a search, that didn't come from foreign leaders (except the first link). So since we're on a Canadian website here, how do you view the U.S. political system as seen from Canada? What do most Canadians know about American politics or history? Do they base their judgments on actual knowledge, or just assumptions, rumors and conjecture? How much of the former (actual knowledge) do Canadians possess? And how much the latter (assumption, rumor, conjecture)? I'm not sure why you would be surprised about how foreign opinion is "skewed" to the Democrats. The Republican party is seen to be full of racist, religious, climate change denying, war mongering gun nuts, which offends and worries those in the liberal democracies, and scares those from the more "authoritarian" countries, who are mostly of the wrong color and/or religion. It doesn't help that the last two presidents from that party were "seen as" incompetent boobs, and the last (current) one as a rather despicable and unstable person in general. As far as my view of American politics, it is that between the legalized corruption (money is speech, lol) and the resultant dismantling of the checks on large corporations and the wealthy, it has become an almost de facto plutocracy, with a sheen of democratic window dressing. Quote
taxme Posted March 25, 2018 Report Posted March 25, 2018 13 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: you didn't just say "zionist" did you? Can you read? Quote
taxme Posted March 25, 2018 Report Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: Have you ever stopped to consider that people may have had different reasons for voting for whom they did? Like maybe they found Hillary almost equally unpalatable? I myself try to keep an open mind when it comes to other people's political systems. Have you met every one of those 46% who voted for Trump? How can you tell they're all ignorant and spiteful? This election year was the worst I've ever seen. It doesn't have so much to do with the fact that Trump was elected, but that the nominees that year were absolute s****. Polls done before the election show that most people voted for their candidate of choice because they disliked them less than the opposition, not because they actually liked them at all. It was one of those elections--where you have to choose between dumb and dumber. Think before you judge. The American people who voted for Trump picked someone who pretty much told them what they wanted to hear. Trump told them that they were living in a swamp and that Trump was going to try and clean it up. It worked for him because Trump was telling the truth. Something those other opponents were either part of the swamp or were to scared to tell the people the truth. Politics stinks because it is not an honorable profession to be in. All politicians must learn how to fib and spread the bull about how to go about stealing and wasting tax dollars from the taxpayer's. I have yet to hear from one politician in Canada that has said that they will cut taxes and get rid of big government. They won't even utter those words. Even Harper who once believed in more freedom, less taxes and less government for the people instead gave Canadians more taxes and more government and less freedom. Crooks and lairs they all is. Edited March 25, 2018 by taxme 1 Quote
TTM Posted March 26, 2018 Report Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) On 2018-03-24 at 4:38 PM, taxme said: Personally, I think that Trump just fumbled the ball and has just given the democrats new life as a result of this omnibus bill which gave just about everything that the democrats wanted in the bill and nothing for Trump that he told the people that he was ready to fight for. It is starting to look like he has betrayed the people that voted for him. The globalist zionist banksters got to him and now control him. The swamp is back. The draining of the swamp appears as though it will be allowed to fill back up again from what it had lost. It's like I always said, politicians can never be trusted when it comes to the peoples interest or their money. It's all about them. They just lie to us all and are the real enemy of the people. My opinion. Demonstrating that the basket of deplorables can sometimes see the light, but for all the wrong reasons, and without ever leaving the basket Edited March 26, 2018 by TTM Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Posted March 26, 2018 19 hours ago, taxme said: Can you read? I was being fecitious. Jeeze. Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
JamesHackerMP Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Posted March 26, 2018 14 hours ago, TTM said: Demonstrating that the basket of deplorables can sometimes see the light, but for all the wrong reasons, and without ever leaving the basket Always a mistake to underestimate the opponents. Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
taxme Posted March 26, 2018 Report Posted March 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: I was being fecitious. Jeeze. Me also. Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Posted March 27, 2018 Oh, ok sorry. Part of the reason for the rise of Donald Trump isn't so much his win in the general election, it was a question of how someone like him got even that far to begin with; specificially, how the hell did a billionaire businessman win a republican primary. But that's probably a topic for another thread. It's just always fascinated me that people around the world take an interest in our politics--but they don't go all the way. It's a half-assed interest. It's always seen through their eyes, rather than taking the facts in context of the American political system which, despite their intense interest, they do not seem to understand very much. Like the fact that he's nowhere near as powerful as any of their prime ministers, for example. They seem, from what I have read, to perceive the president as extremely powerful because he's a singular executive. But the American system is far more collegial, and its head of government far less powerful, than any of his counterparts in Europe (or Canada). Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
TTM Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: how the hell did a billionaire businessman win a republican primary. "billionair businessman" + Republican Party = PB +J. Also, I believe 2 presidential candidates in a row indicates a trend, not an anomaly. 7 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: It's just always fascinated me that people around the world take an interest in our politics--but they don't go all the way. It's a half-assed interest. Making fun of Americans and their politics is more of a hobby for most. Few have the time or resources to go pro 7 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: American system is far more collegial Is that really true any longer? I mean the fact that both sides have been bought by more or less the same folks mean they will pass the odd bipartisan bill to screw over the common folk, but beyond that they don't seem an't more chummy than your average MP Edited March 28, 2018 by TTM Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Posted March 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, TTM said: "billionair businessman" + Republican Party = PB +J. Also, I believe 2 presidential candidates in a row indicates a trend, not an anomaly. Well you're only looking at one side of the aisle, there. Still, what I am getting at is a reality show billionaire winning the presidency. If you remember, Ross Perot wasn't successful. But you missed my point completely. 17 minutes ago, TTM said: Making fun of Americans and their politics is more of a hobby for most. Few have the time or resources to go pro And in so doing, perpetuate their ignorance of what they're making fun of. 17 minutes ago, TTM said: s that really true any longer? I mean the fact that both sides have been bought by more or less the same folks mean they will pass the odd bipartisan bill to screw over the common folk, but beyond that they don't seem an't more chummy than your average MP Yes it is true. The executive and legislative being separated, if the president wants his promised agenda to get through he has to have Congress on his side. They don't have to be chummy, just have some interests aligned. The situation where you have an executive of one party and a legislative of the other, cannot happen in countries like Canada; where the prime minister is literally God. 1 Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
TTM Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said: Well you're only looking at one side of the aisle, there. Yes. You were talking about Republicans, so I replied about Republicans. Democrats suck too! Happy? 1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said: Still, what I am getting at is a reality show billionaire winning the presidency. It wasn't that long ago that a senile old actor was president. A mentally unstable reality show host is just a small step, really. 1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said: But you missed my point completely. How Trump? Because he pretended to be a populist, said he would take on the corrupt establishment, give people jobs, save them from the foreigners, and generally whatever he thought they wanted to hear. Voters in your country understand that their politicians no longer represent them, and he tapped into that - he was decidedly not a standard politician. While he fooled some, most people recognised Trump as a disgusting buffoon (a feature rather than a bug for the basket), but the Democrats threw the election by turfing their own populist candidate, and running the most establishment (and generally hated) politician possible, making the choice "more of the same" vs "how bad could it be" 1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said: And in so doing, perpetuate their ignorance of what they're making fun of. I will take the average Canadians understanding of the American system over the average Americans knowledge of any other system. And the only proper response to your current system is comedy. I mean, you elected a clown... 1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said: Yes it is true. The executive and legislative being separated, if the president wants his promised agenda to get through he has to have Congress on his side. They don't have to be chummy, just have some interests aligned Joke. Collegial also means "marked by camaraderie among colleagues" 1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said: where the prime minister is literally God Figuratively, I hope. Edited March 28, 2018 by TTM Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said: ...Yes it is true. The executive and legislative being separated, if the president wants his promised agenda to get through he has to have Congress on his side. They don't have to be chummy, just have some interests aligned. The situation where you have an executive of one party and a legislative of the other, cannot happen in countries like Canada; where the prime minister is literally God. Yep....a Canadian prime minister with majority control in Parliament has far more unchecked power than does any American president. It is far more compelling to obsess on what the American political system is doing day to day, "because it matters" (according to Justin Trudeau). Most Americans needn't care about Canada's political system, "because it doesn't (matter)". Edited March 28, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TTM Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It is far more compelling to obsess on what the American political system is doing day to day, "because it matters" (according to Justin Trudeau). Most Americans needn't care about Canada's political system, "because it doesn't (matter)". Also, far more entertaining. Like a car crash Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, TTM said: Also, far more entertaining. Like a car crash Agreed....far more interesting and impactful than boring politics in Canada. That's why this forum has a dedicated area for U.S. politics. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Cum Laude Posted March 28, 2018 Report Posted March 28, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 10:27 AM, JamesHackerMP said: Have you ever stopped to consider that people may have had different reasons for voting for whom they did? Like maybe they found Hillary almost equally unpalatable? I myself try to keep an open mind when it comes to other people's political systems. Have you met every one of those 46% who voted for Trump? How can you tell they're all ignorant and spiteful? This election year was the worst I've ever seen. It doesn't have so much to do with the fact that Trump was elected, but that the nominees that year were absolute s****. Polls done before the election show that most people voted for their candidate of choice because they disliked them less than the opposition, not because they actually liked them at all. It was one of those elections--where you have to choose between dumb and dumber. Think before you judge. We are witnessing the greatest change in the world economy in a thousand years or more. The “market economy” in a traditional, liberal sense is effectively finished – markets will still have some input, but prices for all major imports will be managed on the governmental level through bilateral negotiations and long-term agreements – similar to the Soviet style GOSPLAN, but on the world-wide level. Trump’s goal now is to begin managing in a manual mode prices for major imports coming into US, thereby setting the price of the dollar in relation to liquid commodities – metals, oil, LNG and so on. Otherwise, these prices, and hence the management of the smooth deflation of the dollar bubble would be in the hands of the London, European and Chinese stock exchanges. That is why the beginning of the current “strange”, unhurried trade war on the part of Trump is a blow to the British-Chinese coalition who with the help of global media was counting on the role of the main financial arbiter and a middle man. Not the most cunning manipulators will win, but the players and coalitions with the longest lasting resources. What will also stimulate the formation of coalitions, the concentration of control over resources and markets by the largest players of each of the centers of the new multi-polar world. Quote
TTM Posted March 29, 2018 Report Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....far more interesting and impactful than boring politics in Canada. That's why this forum has a dedicated area for U.S. politics. Indeed, you live in interesting times Edited March 29, 2018 by TTM Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted April 11, 2018 Author Report Posted April 11, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 3:09 PM, Cum Laude said: We are witnessing the greatest change in the world economy in a thousand years or more. The “market economy” in a traditional, liberal sense is effectively finished – markets will still have some input, but prices for all major imports will be managed on the governmental level through bilateral negotiations and long-term agreements – similar to the Soviet style GOSPLAN, but on the world-wide level. Trump’s goal now is to begin managing in a manual mode prices for major imports coming into US, thereby setting the price of the dollar in relation to liquid commodities – metals, oil, LNG and so on. Otherwise, these prices, and hence the management of the smooth deflation of the dollar bubble would be in the hands of the London, European and Chinese stock exchanges. That is why the beginning of the current “strange”, unhurried trade war on the part of Trump is a blow to the British-Chinese coalition who with the help of global media was counting on the role of the main financial arbiter and a middle man. Not the most cunning manipulators will win, but the players and coalitions with the longest lasting resources. What will also stimulate the formation of coalitions, the concentration of control over resources and markets by the largest players of each of the centers of the new multi-polar world. I'm sorry, but what does that have to do with the topic? Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
-TSS- Posted April 13, 2018 Report Posted April 13, 2018 Politicians on the average are old goofies, yesterday-s men and women, and the USA is not an exception to that. It was manifested when Congress was hearing Zuckerberg and many times as I was listening to the hearing Zuckerberg had to really go to the bottom of it to explain to the Congress-members the basic principles how the internet works. Quote
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