Crime in Canada seems to align with natives

[Argus]

Where are the highest crime areas of Canada? You might think Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal? Nope. The highest crime area in Canada is North Battleford, Saskatchewan, followed by Thompson Manitoba. After that it's Prince Albert, Sask, and then Williams Lake, BC. If you switch to just violent crime the areas change around but it's the same areas, followed by Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, and Yorkton, Saskatchewan. Why, you might ask, do these places have the highest crime rates in Canada? Well, the four western provinces have  the highest proportion of 'first nations' in Canada. Except for Ontario, that is... So why aren't Ontario towns and cities the highest? Perhaps because Ontario has a lower percentage of natives living on reserves. Still, you'll notice most of the higher crime areas for Ontario are in the north. It seems difficult to get crime statistics based on race, though Canada does keep them for aborigines. But it prefers to talk about victimization rates or incarceration rates rather than out and out saying, well, natives commit a lot of crime. For example, you can find statements like In Saskatchewan, the adult Aboriginal incarceration rate is over 1,600 per 100,000, compared to 48 per 100,000 for adult non-Aboriginals fairly readily in stats Canada sites, but no crime stats. You can find headlines that say Aboriginal people make up 5 percent of Canada's population but nearly a quarter of its murder victims easily enough, and other stories lamenting the number of female natives murdered (along with a glorious commission). The only time the press will talk about native crime is to lament how many natives are being incarcerated. These are from stats Canada. Again, it's on incarceration, not crime rates.

While Aboriginal people make up about 4% of the Canadian population, as of February 2013, 23.2% of the federal inmate population is Aboriginal (First Nation, Métis or Inuit).  There are approximately 3,400 Aboriginal offenders in federal penitentiaries, approximately 71% are First Nation, 24% Métis and 5% Inuit.

In 2010-11, Canada’s overall incarceration rate was 140 per 100,000 adults.  The incarceration rate for Aboriginal adults in Canada is estimated to be 10 times higher than the incarceration rate of non-Aboriginal adults.

The over-representation of Aboriginal people in Canada’s correctional system continued to grow in the last decade.  Since 2000-01, the federal Aboriginal inmate population has increased by 56.2%.  Their overall representation rate in the inmate population has increased from 17.0% in 2000-01 to 23.2% today. 

Since 2005-06, there has been a 43.5% increase in the federal Aboriginal inmate population, compared to a 9.6% increase in non-Aboriginal inmates. 

So the questions are why is there so much native crime, why is it rising, and what can be done about it? Clearly what's BEEN done is not working. That includes all the special judicial changes to incorporate healing lodges and restorative justice. The problem is societal. And it relates to the hopelessness and the lack of any purpose in their lives for people on reserves.

 

http://www.oci-bec.gc.ca/cnt/rpt/oth-aut/oth-aut20121022info-eng.aspx

http://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places/

[PIK]

Nothing will change until the native community starts to take responsibility for some of their problems. You can't keep blaming whitey or the government for all what ails you. Their chiefs and band councils need to be totally open and transparent with where all the money goes. And it is obvious to everyone where the money ends up. 

[Argus]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

Nothing will change until the native community starts to take responsibility for some of their problems. You can't keep blaming whitey or the government for all what ails you. Their chiefs and band councils need to be totally open and transparent with where all the money goes. And it is obvious to everyone where the money ends up. 

What is the native community? I think the problem there is that the representatives of 'the native community' are generally the ones who profit most from the current system, namely the chiefs.  Their main interest is often their own power and wealth, not that of the reserve they're in charge of. 

I think that if people have no purpose in life they fall apart as a society. So why have they no purpose in their lives? Because there are no jobs there, and the money comes from government regardless of what they do or don't do. The homes they live in don't belong to them. The land doesn't belong to them either. Ambition drives human progress. What do you have ambition for if you're a young man living on a reserve? How do you improve your lot in life other than leave? 

[PIK]

The kids are forced IMO to live there and keep the traditions alive. And as you say they is nothing for them, and they see on the internet what other kids are doing in the country and they would like some of that. That has to be hard on the kids.

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, PIK said:

The kids are forced IMO to live there and keep the traditions alive. And as you say they is nothing for them, and they see on the internet what other kids are doing in the country and they would like some of that. That has to be hard on the kids.

Which leads to drugs and alcohol and crime, and abuse of kids, who become addicts and criminals themselves. Native organized crime gangs are growing and spreading. But no one does anything or proposes anything but giving the chiefs more wealth and power.

Edited March 10, 2018 by Argus

[?Impact]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

no one does anything or proposes anything but giving the chiefs more wealth and power.

Then let us hear constructive suggestions

 

--crickets--

[Argus]

2 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Then let us hear constructive suggestions

 

--crickets--

Start with a fact. There is nothing for people do on many of these reserves. They're not located for the 21st century economy. Are there any white towns, cities or villages located away from anything that can economically support them? No. There never has been. If a town is built up around a mine and the mine dies, the town dies and people leave. 

That means we need to start closing down reserves and moving people elsewhere, perhaps amalgamating some reserves. How many separate Mohawk or Algonquin reserves are there?  We need to start with a test case, someone who will hopefully volunteer, and we need to move them somewhere there is an economy to support them and which they can help support.

[?Impact]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

That means we need to start closing down reserves and moving people elsewhere

Sure thing, we can return the Bay of Quinte, the Niagara River, the Kitchissippi and Hochelaga to the natives.

[Argus]

8 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Sure thing, we can return the Bay of Quinte, the Niagara River, the Kitchissippi and Hochelaga to the natives.

If you want to cut your wrists and bleed out on the land to appease the natives, feel free. The rest of us won't give a damn for your histrionic gestures at more than your idiotic drama queen suggestions.

 

[?Impact]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

If you want to cut your wrists and bleed out on the land to appease the natives, feel free. The rest of us won't give a damn for your histrionic gestures at more than your idiotic drama queen suggestions.

They were all native settlements, on prime river or lake front, until we moved them to less accessible sites. Time to return your Sussex Dr. property back to its rightful owners. We an move you to outter Timbuck-too and call you a lazy good for nothing because you can't make a go of it there.

[Argus]

59 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

They were all native settlements, on prime river or lake front, until we moved them to less accessible sites. 

Then it's time to move them to more accessible sites. Why not try to think of what can be done instead of bullshit about 'give it back' which is never gonna happen.

 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, PIK said:

Nothing will change until the native community starts to take responsibility for some of their problems. You can't keep blaming whitey or the government for all what ails you.  

Winning court cases, forcing treaty negotiations and taking back their lands sure looks like responsibility taking to me.  

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Their chiefs and band councils need to be totally open and transparent with where all the money goes. And it is obvious to everyone where the money ends up.

Absolutely, virtually every human being who is governed needs to crack down on the lying scheming bastards that are all to often governing them. But this is a completely different issue that transcends race creed colour...I suspect you'll find much the thing same through-out the entire universe.

 

[Dale]

Without purpose, no person can lift themselves.

If any of us woke up with our house, land, and vehicles paid for we would fail in life.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Dale

[?Impact]

14 minutes ago, Dale said:

If any of us woke up with our house, land, and vehicles paid for we would fail in life.

ergo, Donald Trump

[Dale]

Well, you could call "The Donald" a lot of things but failure isn't one of them.  I'm no fan but denying his success is unrealistic.

Beyond that, its not the topic.  How about you respond to my statement and stay on the topic at hand so as intelligent conversation may continue.

[?Impact]

4 minutes ago, Dale said:

How about you respond to my statement and stay on the topic at hand so as intelligent conversation may continue.

Your statement was that we all must be good little capitalists and consume to make the world better.  Perhaps intelligence would be recognizing that participating in the fake economy is not noble by itself.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Your statement was that we all must be good little capitalists and consume to make the world better.  Perhaps intelligence would be recognizing that participating in the fake economy is not noble by itself.

We would die if we didn't consume.  I think the point was more that, if one earns what one consumes, one feels better about it.

[Dale]

Remove economics from the topic.  Take away technology.  

If we woke up tomorrow and had to heat our own homes in the winter because there was no natural gas.  If we had to grow our own food because we had no access to stores.

More people would be productive, healthy members of society because they would have purpose.

 

 

[?Impact]

My purpose is to leave the world a better place than when I was born into it.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

My purpose is to leave the world a better place than when I was born into it.

My purpose is to leave it exactly the same.

[Dale]

If the natives were made tax paying Canadian citizens the world would be a better place.  They would have the same purpose as the rest of the Canadian public.  If we are all in the same boat we can all work towards the same goal.

[?Impact]

3 minutes ago, Dale said:

If the natives were made tax paying Canadian citizens the world would be a better place.

Native Canadians do pay taxes, including those who live in first Nation communities.  It is only status Indians who live and work on reserve that have tax exemptions, that is a small percentage of native Canadians.

[Dale]

I'm aware of that.  If the reserves didn't exist, if we were all equal, we wouldn't have a problem.

[?Impact]

3 minutes ago, Dale said:

I'm aware of that.  If the reserves didn't exist, if we were all equal, we wouldn't have a problem.

How about I take your new Cadillac and give you my broken down Ford in exchange. Don't worry, I will drive you to work. In a month however I will get tired of it and say forget it, we are all equal so you can get to work yourself.

[Dale]

Sounds good, I'll walk.  I'll do that because I have purpose.