GostHacked Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 21 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: The Arabs started the Arab-Israeli War. Not the Israelis. The Arabs lost. Losers don't make demands. Then why did the Jews demand their land back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: Then why did the Jews demand their land back? Describe this Jews demanding their land back. When was this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Describe this Jews demanding their land back. When was this? You are free to deny the Balfour Declaration and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, GostHacked said: You are free to deny the Balfour Declaration and such. So you imagine the Balfour Declaration was a bunch of Jews demanding land. Interesting. Incorrect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration Edited February 22, 2018 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: So you imagine the Balfour Declaration was a bunch of Jews demanding land. Interesting. Incorrect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration Actually it was. It was to re-create the Jewish homeland called Israel. You are free to deny history, which you seem to like to trot out all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: Actually it was. It was to re-create the Jewish homeland called Israel. You are free to deny history, which you seem to like to trot out all the time. You're free to lie about the Balfour Declaration. It doesn't make your lies the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: You're free to lie about the Balfour Declaration. It doesn't make your lies the truth. What were the specific lies I made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, GostHacked said: What were the specific lies I made? Since you know nothing of it...everything you say is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Since you know nothing of it...everything you say is a lie. I was really hoping you would help me out with pointing out my lies. I'll give you another chance. I feel you deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, GostHacked said: I was really hoping you would help me out with pointing out my lies. I'll give you another chance. I feel you deserve it. How magnanimous of you to give me a chance to correct you on your complete lack of historical knowledge. Pass...go to school instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/18/2018 at 11:09 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said: Historically Israel tries to retaliate dispoportionate roughly about 10 to 1. Take Operation Cast Lead, for example: The disproportion is self-evident. Hamas killed 73 Israelis of whom only 8% were civilians while Israel killed 2200 Gazans of whom fully 70% were civilians. Israel killed 550 [recent figure is 556] children, and Hamas killed one Israeli child. The ratio of civilian dwellings destroyed was 18,000:1. As well, Israel again destroyed vital infrastructure, leaving Gazans without electrical power, potable water, medical care. Israel is simply, a terrorist state. Finkelstein attributes the recent, disproportionate assaults in part to Israel’s intention to prove its deterrence capacity after its defeat by Hezbollah in 2006. A pattern emerges of Israel’s surreptitious provocations that conceal its own aggression, use of disproportionate military force and targeting of civilians, specious legality, and lies that exonerate Israel and permit ever-increasing brutality. The Dahiya doctrine refers to Israel’s military strategy of acting immediately, decisively, and with disproportionate force. Dahiya is a suburb of Beirut that was flattened by Israel in the 2006 war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, marcus said: Take Operation Cast Lead, for example: The disproportion is self-evident. Hamas killed 73 Israelis of whom only 8% were civilians while Israel killed 2200 Gazans of whom fully 70% were civilians. Israel killed 550 [recent figure is 556] children, and Hamas killed one Israeli child. The ratio of civilian dwellings destroyed was 18,000:1. As well, Israel again destroyed vital infrastructure, leaving Gazans without electrical power, potable water, medical care. Israel is simply, a terrorist state. Finkelstein attributes the recent, disproportionate assaults in part to Israel’s intention to prove its deterrence capacity after its defeat by Hezbollah in 2006. A pattern emerges of Israel’s surreptitious provocations that conceal its own aggression, use of disproportionate military force and targeting of civilians, specious legality, and lies that exonerate Israel and permit ever-increasing brutality. The Dahiya doctrine refers to Israel’s military strategy of acting immediately, decisively, and with disproportionate force. Dahiya is a suburb of Beirut that was flattened by Israel in the 2006 war. Complaining that you lost more than the enemy when YOU started the war is like Nazi Germany complaining that the Russians didn't fight fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Complaining that you lost more than the enemy when YOU started the war is like Nazi Germany complaining that the Russians didn't fight fair. So some gangster outsiders come to your home and drive you out on street and make you homeless and when you fight back then they fire back at you with mechine guns so you step back as you have no weapons to fight on same level but you continue your struggle to get your home back and then someone tells you hey stranger, you started the fight and you lost the fight so you have no right to complain and continue the fight. Right? It is time to stop the hate and aggressiveness on both sides. Being aggressive and arrogant will not bring peace and prosperty to either Israelis or Arabs. Enough already it has been over half of a century tens of thousands dead and with millions suffered. Israel have the right to exist and Arabs have a right to have a homeland. Edited February 23, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: So some gangster outsiders come to your home and drive you out on street and make you homeless and when you fight back then they fire back at you with mechine guns so you step back as you have no weapons to fight on same level but you continue your struggle to get your home back and then someone tells you hey stranger, you started the fight and you lost the fight so you have no right to complain and continue the fight. Right? That's not what happened, of course. The Arabs you champion all attacked Israel upon its formation. Israel didn't start the war. But, you're free to support Hamas and the PLO over Israel. It doesn't matter to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: So some gangster outsiders come to your home and drive you out on street and make you homeless and when you fight back then they fire back at you with mechine guns so you step back as you have no weapons to fight on same level but you continue your struggle to get your home back and then someone tells you hey stranger, you started the fight and you lost the fight so you have no right to complain and continue the fight. Right? Wrong. Start wars with Israel...get ass kicked long time. Any questions ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, DogOnPorch said: That's not what happened, of course. The Arabs you champion all attacked Israel upon its formation. Israel didn't start the war. But, you're free to support Hamas and the PLO over Israel. It doesn't matter to me. That is exactly what happened. Jews suffering under Nazi Germany were shipped from Europe to what used to be called Palestine. In reality a piece of Germany should have been taken and given for these Nazi victims to settle but under British rule they moved to Palestine and Arabs some were terrorised to leave and become Palestinian refugees for decades in Jordan and Egypt. I champion Arabs!!!!!!. Don't make me laugh. And how did Israel formed? So I support Hamas, PLO, and Taliban and Al quaeda and ISIS and Ayatolahs and brotherhood and Bashir Assad and Russia... Who else do I support? All because of my unbiased statements? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Wrong. Start wars with Israel...get ass kicked long time. Any questions ? And they'll do it with a surplus Sherman tank. Israel lost its first aircraft to combat in 30 years this past week...not too shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: That is exactly what happened. Jews suffering under Nazi Germany were shipped from Europe to what used to be called Palestine. In reality a piece of Germany should have been taken and given for these Nazi victims to settle but under British rule they moved to Palestine and Arabs some were terrorised to leave and become Palestinian refugees for decades in Jordan and Egypt. I champion Arabs!!!!!!. Don't make me laugh. And how did Israel formed? So I support Hamas, PLO, and Taliban and Al quaeda and ISIS and Ayatolahs and brotherhood and Bashir Assad and Russia... Who else do I support? All because of my unbiased statements? I paint what I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Wrong. Start wars with Israel...get ass kicked long time. Any questions ? Yes with all the strong Jewish support all over the world without which any US presiential candidate will be likely defeated and all the money and weapons they receive and politics of division they use against Arabs . You were as usual blind to read or quote my entire post which discouraged war and encouraged peace. But you are clearly blind anyways from your comments. Hate has blinded you. Edited February 23, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Not sure what shot down the Israeli F-16...could have been anything, I suppose. AAA or SAM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Israel lost its first aircraft to combat in 30 years this past week...not too shabby. May be because this time for first time they entered in a war with an Aryan race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said: Yes with all the strong Jewish support all over the world without which any US presiential candidate will be likely defeated and all the money and weapons they receive and politics of division they use against Arabs . Israel was kicking Arab ass long before U.S. support. Hell, Israel even attacked the USS Liberty ! Quote You were as usual blind to read or quote my entire post which discourage war and encouraged peace. But you are clearly blind anyways from your comments. Hate has blinded you. I don't care about your peace fantasies...you live far away from any existential threat, and if there was one, wouldn't hesitate to seek American military defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: May be because this time for first time they entered in a war with an Aryan race. Probably a Russian operator, actually. Just like in North Viet-Nam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't care about your peace fantasies...you live far away from any existential threat, and if there was one, wouldn't hesitate to seek American military defense. Then burn in war forever. Peace will never be upon Israel with these kinds of attitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Probably a Russian operator, actually. Just like in North Viet-Nam. Russian is not an Aryan race. It was an Iranian drone which was shot down luring Israeli plane into a pre-trapped territory. Edited February 23, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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