Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 47 minutes ago, marcus said: Why do I need to preach to the choir? We don't have anyone on this forum trying to justify terrorism by Arabs. We only have people who try to justify terrorism by Israelis. You justify terrorism and so does Hudson Jones. Your call to arms on this thread speaks for itself Moe.
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 52 minutes ago, marcus said: The rapist pleads that he is, at least, not a murderer. Is this how you will justify Israel's actions? By comparing them to the lowest of the low? So now Israel is a rapist. Yah right on point of the thread.
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 21 hours ago, Omni said: And your point? The opposite of your denial.
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 On 12/13/2017 at 1:49 PM, Omni said: and while we're at it maybe we should get the US to stop arming the Israeli terrorists. Israeli terrorists. Atta boy. That made sense. They are all over Europe blowing it up. They are walking on the streets indiscriminately attacking people with knives. That's brilliant. Your equating all of Israel with Hamas and other Muslim extremist terrorists is just brilliant. Its why I have so much respect for your contributions on forums.
Omni Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rue said: Israeli terrorists. Atta boy. That made sense. They are all over Europe blowing it up. They are walking on the streets indiscriminately attacking people with knives. That's brilliant. Your equating all of Israel with Hamas and other Muslim extremist terrorists is just brilliant. Its why I have so much respect for your contributions on forums. And your attempts at misquoting do the same for me.
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) On 12/9/2017 at 3:57 AM, marcus said: On one side dwells an ugly apartheid settler colony supported by an even uglier imperial power, and on the other stands the glory of a global defiance against that immoral depravity called “Zionism” — A racist, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, climate change denier, serial sexual predator, real estate charlatan, prompted by his ultra Zionist son-in-law and bankruptcy lawyer, has come out to recognize Jerusalem as “the capital of Israel” — how utterly befitting is that! What an apt and perfect closure to the ignominious thievery of Palestine! Zionists deserve this perfect ending to their history of colonial occupation of another people’s homeland! A cesspool of every moral disease in the world, a despicable bastard, loathed by the world, siding with them and declaring a stolen city their capital! And on the other side stands the world — The world will win. The Zionists will lose. There is an inner rhythm to the arch of justice in this world — imperceptible, quiet, dignified, beautiful — add any other ennobling thought the world celebrates and of which the Zionists are deprived — Resist brothers and sisters in Palestine! You with your glorious presence in the ugly midst of the occupation of your homeland and the world in solid unwavering solidarity—bearing witness to your righteous cause! You came on this thread and denied anyone supports terrorism. I call you out now with the above words as someone who engages in terrorist rhetoric. Go on explain it away like Hudson Jones did when he said Zionism is a cancer that needs to be wiped out. Edited December 14, 2017 by Rue
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, Omni said: No, they go out and use your arms to bomb school children. Are ya proud now? Provide the example of Israel bombing school children. Go on finish your hatchet job. This is fun Israel is a rapist, a school children bomber, please continue. Actual examples would be nice. Edited December 14, 2017 by Rue
Omni Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rue said: Provide the example of Israel bombing school children. Go on finish your hatchet job. This is fun Israel is a rapist, a school children bomber, please continue. Actual examples would be nice. Well that was easy. Man you sure walked into that one. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/us-appalled-disgraceful-israeli-shelling-gaza-un-school 1
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 21 hours ago, GostHacked said: Some Jews have expressed that those terrorists should not even be in West Bank! Again, don't take MY word for it. Take it from the mouths of Israelis. Let me know when you show the interviews with "some" Muslims and "some" Palestinians saying Jews can not marry Muslims, etc. You really think selecting out one man of the street interview can be used as you do to smeer all Israelis and Jews of having the same opinions? You also seem to have forgotten the other things said conveniently. This propaganda technique of selectively removing one person's opinion out to advance your agenda and ignore all the rest of the people in this film let alone Israel is pathetic. Trying to smeer all Jews on top of it means what? You think we all have one opinion? What a pathetic attempt at a smeer. If I present now a film on extremist Palestinians calling to kill Jews and then say all Palestinians are terrorists you'd be the first to call it Islamophobia. So what do you call what you engage in hmmmm? What word would you like to use to describe stereotyping all Jews and Israelis. Do you think putting the word "some" in front of your stereotyping sanitized the intent of your exercise?
Argus Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: Imagine if the cops took pics of your kids for that kind of thing. My kids wouldn't do that kind of thing. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 19 hours ago, Omni said: I am certainly not an anti semite, especially since my father was a Jew. The fact your father was a Jew does not give you magic immunity. The content and context of your words is what determines if they incite hatred against all Jews or all Israelis or stereotypes either or both negatively. The fact you said the above shows how you hide behind your so called claim to Jewishness to try deny what you said or grant you magic immunity. It shows how dishonourable you are in my opinion trying to pull the Jew card to protect yourself. Some of the worst anti semites are Jews. You sure as hell are no Jew. You made it clear in the above sentence. The fact your father is dead or was a Jew means what? I do note you did not say you were a Jew. I heard it loudly. Phew. Heaven forbid you carried on his ethnicity. By the way we Jews don't refer to ourself as a Jew or Jews, we say Jewish. Maybe instead of distancing yourself from your JEW self you might find out why we don't use the word Jew but use the word Jewish or Hebrew. 1
Argus Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Omni said: I'm interested in how you were given the authority to speak for why Hamas does what it does, but in any case I am certainly not in favor of terrorism regardless of who is practicing it. The Israeli response is certainly not measured. If you look at the actual facts you'll find you are 15 times more likely to be killed as a Palestinian than as an Israeli in this conflict. Yeah, gee, how about that. It seems if you built shelters for your civilians and do your best to protect them you suffer less casualties than an opponent who deliberately tries to get others to target their civilians and deliberately fights around them so their deaths will give them a propaganda coup. 1 hour ago, Omni said: Israeli air strikes often kill civilians. What should they do? Send tanks in? Doing nothing is not an option. 1 hour ago, Omni said: The best solution here is continuing to work toward a two state solution that can appease both sides, and the point of this OP is the fact that Trump has, with his bungling comments has adversely affected that process. There is no two state solution. The Palestinian demands on Jerusalem and right of return are non-starters and always have been. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: The rapist pleads that he is, at least, not a murderer. Is this how you will justify Israel's actions? By comparing them to the lowest of the low? Given your enthusiastic support for the lowest of the low that would seem to be sufficient to dismiss your complaints as having any sort of basis in concern for humanity or human rights. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: Why do I need to preach to the choir? We don't have anyone on this forum trying to justify terrorism by Arabs. We only have people who try to justify terrorism by Israelis. Oh? I thought we had vicious anti-Semites trying to portray Jews as murderers of the poor, helpless, innocent Arabs. 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: Hey Argus, give me another justification for these illegal Jewish settlers, backed by the Israeli army, who are preventing farmers from working in their own land: Why should I? Have I ever stated unconditional support for Israel? Have I ever expressed support for the settlements? Have I ever argued that the IDF and its members are perfect and that hatred for Arabs is not commonplace among Israelis? How could it possibly not be given seventy years of provocation? Want to talk about the two Jews who got lost, drove down the wrong street and got surrounded by a howling mob of Palestinians and beaten to death? No, I suppose not. 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 27 minutes ago, Rue said: You came on this thread and denied anyone supports terrorism. I call you out now with the above words as someone who engages in terrorist rhetoric. Go on explain it away like Hudson Jones did when he said Zionism is a cancer that needs to be wiped out. Yeah, brothers and sisters of Palestine and their glorious presence. You won't catch him talking about the extra-judicial executions of Palestinians by their own governments, or the torture in Palestinian prisons which are commonplace, or the way Palestinian kids are taught to hate Jews. Noooope. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Argus said: Yeah, gee, how about that. It seems if you built shelters for your civilians and do your best to protect them you suffer less casualties than an opponent who deliberately tries to get others to target their civilians and deliberately fights around them so their deaths will give them a propaganda coup. 15 times less casualties. Has nothing to do with "shelters". 8 minutes ago, Argus said: What should they do? Target the perps. not the whole village. 10 minutes ago, Argus said: There is no two state solution. Yes there is. The Palestinians want East Jerusalem as the capitol of their state. Trump set that back a ways.
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 19 hours ago, Omni said: ... a couple of rockets which fall into the desert as an excuse to fire up an F16 and responding by bombing the hell out of a settlement. You are now a liar. You now try to recast and rewrite the attack by Hamas as a bunch of rockets which fell into the desert. It is like all the other shit on this thread a classic example of how people like you will use the thread to engage in your own agendas of hate against Israel. First I am going to start with israelis killed from 2001 to 2014: Date of attack Location Weapon Name Age 2004.06.28 Sderot Qassam Mordechai Yosephov 49 Afik Ohion Zehavi 4 2004.09.29 Sderot Qassam Yuval Abebeh 4 Dorit (Masarat) Benisian 2 2005.01.15 Sderot Qassam Ayala-Haya Abukasis 17 2005.07.15 Moshav Nativ Ha‘asara Qassam Dana Gelkowitz 22 2006.11.15 Sderot Qassam Faina Slutzker 57 2006.11.21 Sderot Qassam Yaakov Yaakobov 43 2007.05.21 Sderot Qassam Shirel Friedman 32 2007.05.27 Sderot Qassam Oshri Oz 36 2008.02.27 Sderot Qassam Roni Yihye 47 2008.05.09 Kibbutz Kfar Aza mortar Jimmy Kedoshim 48 2008.05.12 Moshav Yesha Qassam Shuli Katz 70 2008.06.05 Kibbutz Nir-Oz mortar Amnon Rosenberg 51 2008.12.27 Netivot Qassam Beber Vaknin 58 2008.12.29 IDF base near Nahal Oz mortar Lutfi Nasraladin*† 38 2008.12.29 Ashdod Grad Irit Sheetrit 39 2008.12.29 Ashkelon Grad Hani al Mahdi* 27 2010.03.18 Moshav Nativ Ha‘asara Qassam Manee Singueanphon* 30 2011.08.20 Be’er sheva Grad Yossi Shushan 38 2011.10.29 Ashkelon Grad Moshe Ami 56 2012.11.15 Kiryat Malachi Grad Yitzchak Amsalem 24 Mira Sharf 25 Aharon Smadja 49 2012.11.20 Eshkol Regional Council mortar Eliyan Salem el-Nabari*† 33 2012.11.20 Eshkol Regional Council mortar Yosef Nachman Partok† 18 2012.11.21 Eshkol Regional Council mortar? Boris Yarmolnik† 28 2014.07.15 Erez Crossing mortar Dror Khenin† 37 2014.07.19 village near Dimona rocket Ouda Lafi al-Waj* 32 2014.07.23 Ashkelon Coast RC mortar Narakorn Kittiyangkul* 36 2014.07.27? Sdot Negev RC mortar Barak Refael Degorker† 27 2014.07.28 Eshkol RC mortar Eliav Kahlon† 22 Meidan Maymon Biton† 20 Niran Cohen† 20 Adi Briga† 23 2014.07.31 Eshkol RC mortar Daniel Marsh† 22 Omri Tai† 22 Shai Kushner† 20 Noam Rosenthal† 20 Liran Adir† 31 2014.08.22 Sha‘ar HaNegev RC mortar Daniel Tregerman 4 2014.08.22 Gan Yavne Grad Netanel Maman† 22 2014.08.26 Kibbutz Nirim mortar Ze’evik Etzion 55 Shahar Melamed 43 Next I am going to say 1 as too many. 1. What you fail to mention is: 1. that when rockets come into Israel there is no way of knowing where they will land so the entire country has to take shelter and no they didn't all land in the desert where no one lived 2. the children and citizens who died in Gaza died because Hamas deliberately placed them in the line of fire-they used their schools, mosques, hospitals, homes as attack sites to shoot missiles at Israel 3. in your world because Hamas uses its people like shields Israel should do nothing and just get fired at and have its citizens die. Your bull shit, your attempt to suggest the IDF deliberately killed Palestinians no different then how Fatah and Hamas et al deliberately use their own people as shields and attack Israeli citizens makes you a Hamas and terrorist apologist. Been done on this forum many a time. Now you are out of the closest though and are not hiding your Liberal Trudeau agenda its interesting. Now people can see why you are such a "friend" of the "victim" Omar Kadr. You see the smeers Omni they go both ways. You want to smeer all Israelis as terrorists for defending themselves through their armed forces against Hamas et al, I call you a terrorist apologist. Your equating the IDF to Hamas speaks loudly for itself. Let you hear this loud and clear. IDF died protecting Palestinians caught as shields no Hamas ever died protecting Palestinians they use them to die as propaganda tools. You'd know that if you had lived there and instead of Ghost claiming to be an expert using selective man on the street interviews you and he and the whole lot of you piss on Israel pro terrorists went there and saw what Hamas does to its people not just Israelis. You haven't a clue what warfare is let alone terrorism being engaged street to street in GAZA, NOT A CLUE. You in fact have no idea how many Palestinians avoided death precisely because the IDF engaged as best it could in precautionary measures when it retaliated. Not a clue. But I would not expect you to even attempt to feign neutrality at this conflict. Your agenda is to promote Hamas sputum. What the phack do you think Hamas was doing in Gaza Omni during the last war> https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/ You want the names of Israelis killed by terrorists in this on-going war who you? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel As long as terrorism continues Israel's defence forces have a moral obligation to protect their citizens no different then Canada does its citizens. You have a problem with that? Go on explain it. Explain why a nation should do sweet phack all as its people are targeted by terrorists for death. Explain it. Finish your smeer. Explain how self defence against terrorism is terrorism. Explain why Jews should just shut the phack up and die and not fight back. Finish it. 1
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Omni said: Target the perps. not the whole village. Yes there is. The Palestinians want East Jerusalem as the capitol of their state. Trump set that back a ways. Go on genius. You want to pose as an anti terrorist security expert explain how to stop Hamas from firing at Israel when they fire from hospitals, schools, homes and use their citizens as shields. Explain. You are full of shit. You are just another lip service leftist who hasn't a clue what terrorism is and the reality of what it does to both Israelis and Palestinians. Gaza was not ever a village genius. Its a 25 square mile series of tightly congested 3 story buildings. There are also no villages on the West Bank. Make an effort before you pose as an expert on the geography and urban sites of Israel to find out. Hebron is not a village. Bethlehem is not a village. Gaza City is not a village. Would you go find out what a phacking village is. Next nothing Israel or Trump said, stated East Jerusalem could not also be the capital of a Palestinian state. Nothing. You have zero words. You ASSUME. The fact is you haven't a clue what is going on in Jerusalem. If you did you would know that three different Israeli Prime Ministers, Rabin, Barak, Olmert all offered to share Jerusalem and all three were told by Arafat he would never accept one inch of Jewish statehood let alone recognize Jersalem or any part of that city as part of it. That you don't mention. You don't mention Abbas and Hamas have openly stated the only state they will recognize in Israel is a majority Muslim state. Who you? You? Right. Edited December 14, 2017 by Rue
Omni Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rue said: Explain how self defence against terrorism is terrorism. https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Omni said: https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths What a lazy and pathetic response. Now you trot out the tired canard that the amount of deaths by itself defines whether an act or actions are terrorist. You are intellectually lazy and dishonest. This is no football match with the higher score winning. The very level of deaths was caused by placing Palestinians in the line of fire and choosing to use their homes, hospitals, schools, as shields. You of course will ignore that because in your world, Hamas operates in a vacuum. Edited December 14, 2017 by Rue
Omni Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Rue said: The very level of deaths was caused by placing Palestinians in the line of fire and choosing to use their homes, hospitals, schools, as shields. Any proof of that or just lazy and pathetic as usual?
Rue Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 You are asking me for proof that Hamas used hospitals, schools, mosques and peoples homes to launch their attacks? You are asking me for proof what Hamas did last war? You now Omni want to pretend you need proof? Just when you could not sink any lower with your crap. I repeat again, Hamas sets up rocket launchers--as well as supply dumps and command-and-control sites--in the midst of apartment buildings, mosques and schools. It was from these sites, its fighters launch dozens of rockets in salvos, targeting population centers with no discrimination at all. They fired when Israeli school children move from their homes, which have safe shelters, to their schools, which also have shelters. They did this deliberately to try and catch the kids in the open. They don't seek to minimize collateral damage - they sought to maximize it. Israel, on the other hand, fired at specific, intelligence-derived military targets. Since these targets were deliberately intermixed with the civilian population by Hamas, innocent Palestinians died but Israel tooksteps to minimize the collateral casualties. Before the Israelis struck at buildings, it would call on landline phones, as well as cell phones associated with the inhabitants of the building they'd shoot at. The cells additionally got text messages--telling them that in a few minutes the building would be targeted. It also dropped dud bombs, one containing no explosives, onto the roof of the structure giving an aimmediate 2 minute warning before the next bomb. No other modern military history has ever taken these measures to give the innocents as much chance to get out of the way. Now you want proof? You have the balls to be so dishonest you need to ask me for proof of what Hamas and the IDF did when its public knowledge not even Hamas disputes? Right Omni. We are done.
Omni Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 29 minutes ago, Rue said: You have the balls to be so dishonest you need to ask me for proof of what Hamas and the IDF did when its public knowledge not even Hamas disputes? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/27/israel-responsible-gaza-strikes-un-schools-ban-ki-moon
Argus Posted December 14, 2017 Report Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Omni said: 15 times less casualties. Has nothing to do with "shelters". Seriously? It has everything to do with a military which does its job - to protect its civilians, vs a terrorist force which actually wants more civilian casualties. The best example of how little care Arabs have about casualties is Islamic State, which crowed that it will win because the Jews loved life but Muslims love death. Quote Target the perps. not the whole village. The clearest example yet of your complete lack of knowledge about all things military. There is simply no chance whatever of fighting a war in a built-up civilian area without civilian casualties. You want to know what those casualties look like if one side doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties? Look to Syria. Compare how the IDF fought in Gaza to how the Syrian army fought in Aleppo. A few hundred civilians were killed in Gaza vs tens of thousands in Aleppo and hundreds of thousands in Syria. Quote Yes there is. The Palestinians want East Jerusalem as the capitol of their state. Trump set that back a ways. They will NEVER have it and everyone over there except perhaps them knows this. There never was the slightest chance of them having it once the Israelis took it back. Edited December 14, 2017 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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