Just how deeply evil is the USA/UK/... ?

[hot enough]

Here is the thread where you folks can record and document US/UK genocidal policies, actions, holocausts.

Where shall we begin, which US holocaust, genocide, illegal invasion, terrorist action?

[hot enough]

Don't let the title stop any of you from pointing out all the kind, benevolent things the US has done. 

[Altai]

Its probably only you and me are going to post in this topic. All the others are not interested with facts. They are busy with putting their nose into other countries' jobs.

[hot enough]

11 minutes ago, Altai said:

Its probably only you and me are going to post in this topic. All the others are not interested with facts. They are busy with putting their nose into other countries' jobs.

They have gone awfully silent, haven't they, Altai? That is so odd, considering truth, honesty, justice and the American way are so many of these folks' guiding principles. 

And given that truth, honesty, justice and the American way holds to such high standards, the deafening silence is awfully puzzling. 

[Altai]

9 minutes ago, hot enough said:

They have gone awfully silent, haven't they, Altai? That is so odd, considering truth, honesty, justice and the American way are so many of these folks' guiding principles. 

And given that truth, honesty, justice and the American way holds to such high standards, the deafening silence is awfully puzzling. 

LoL sorry to say that but this is exactly the definition of word "kafir". 

 

"They will claim that they are just trying to ensure order while in fact they are the main reason of disorder" (Quran)

[hot enough]

16 minutes ago, Altai said:

LoL sorry to say that but this is exactly the definition of word "kafir". 

 

"They will claim that they are just trying to ensure order while in fact they are the main reason of disorder" (Quran)

Don't be sorry, Altai. It's nice to know that others know of the deep deceit, perfidy, evil, ... of these folks. 

All it means in English is, 

M-W: 

Definition of kafir

:a grain sorghum with stout, short-jointed, somewhat juicy stalks, large leaves, and erect heads

[hot enough]

This post was initially posted in, 

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/27217-will-trudeau-jnr-make-morneau-resign/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-1274648

where the discussion had turned to support of the Nazis by the US and US businesses.

I had pointed this out and PIK replied, 

PIK: Actually that was the kennedys, democrats. 

My reply was, and is, as follows;

True, as I said, conservatives. Additionally there was Henry Ford, a huge supporter of Hitler and Nazism. 

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While Americans rightly condemn the Nazis as monstrous people, we don’t know that America played both sides … both fighting and supporting the Nazis.

Americans also aren’t aware that the Nazis were – in part – inspired by anti-Semites in America.

Backing Nazis

Large American banks – and George W. Bush’s grandfather – financed the Nazis.

American manufacturing companies were big supporters of the Nazis.   here are 6 historical examples …

(1) IBM.  CNET reports:

IBM has responded to questions about its relationship with the Nazis largely by characterizing the information as old news.

“The fact that Hollerith equipment manufactured by (IBM’s German unit) Dehomag was used by the Nazi administration has long been known and is not new information,” IBM representative Carol Makovich wrote in an e-mail interview. “This information was published in 1997 in the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing and in 1998 in Washington Jewish Week.”

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IBM also defended Chairman Thomas Watson for his dealings with Hitler and his regime.

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https://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-history-the-u-s-supported-and-inspired-the-nazis/5439236

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2017 by hot enough

[Goddess]

** enters thread, puts on a Luther Vandross CD, lights candles, leaves **

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

** enters thread, puts on a Luther Vandross CD, lights candles, leaves **

Thank you for your kindness, Goddess, the lighting of your votive candles and the time spent reflecting on the millions and millions of innocents USA governments have slaughtered. Maybe, because of your kindness, generosity and deep reflection, others will light a candle for these innocents next time they attend church. 

I'm pleased to see that you have come around. It isn't healthy to believe so deeply in such evil, to make excuses for it, to help enable it with one's silence. 

I dedicate this posting to you, for your desire for others to see, on the planned Iraqi genocide by the US/UK, that saw some 500,000 Iraqi babies die because of US/UK planned actions.

AT GODDESS'S URGING THAT THIS INSANITY STOP!!!

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Professor Joy Gordon of Fairfield University who analysed large amount of UN data on the effect of the sanctions, wrote in November 2002 Harper’s Magazine: “In early 2001, the United States had placed holds on $280 million in medical supplies, including vaccines to treat infant hepatitis, tetanus, and diphtheria, as well as incubators and cardiac equipment. The rationale was that the vaccines contained live cultures, albeit highly weakened ones. The Iraqi government, it was argued, could conceivably extract these, and eventually grow a virulent fatal strain, then develop a missile or other delivery system that could effectively disseminate it.

UNICEF and U.N. health agencies, along with other Security Council members, objected strenuously. European biological-weapons experts maintained that such a feat was in fact flatly impossible. At the same time, with massive epidemics ravaging the country, and skyrocketing child mortality, it was quite certain that preventing child vaccines from entering Iraq would result in large numbers of child and infant deaths”(5).

The UN has estimated that more than 500,000 Iraqi children have died as a result of sanctions, and that 5,000 Iraqi children continue to die every month for this reason. No one can say that the United States didn’t know what it was doing. The deliberate killing of Iraqi children is an act of war crimes and those Western perpetrators should be indicted for war crimes.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6616.htm

 

 

 

 

[hot enough]

2 hours ago, Altai said:

"They will claim that they are just trying to ensure order while in fact they are the main reason of disorder" (Quran)

How did they know way back then that the US and England would try to make use of this very piece of propaganda?

[Moonlight Graham]

The US gov doesn't believe it's country's own ideals should apply to other countries when they inconveniently get in their way.  As bad as they behave I can't think of any genocides & holocausts by US

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The US gov doesn't believe it's country's own ideals should apply to other countries when they inconveniently get in their way.  As bad as they behave I can't think of any genocides & holocausts by US

Well, there was that time the Americans tried to wipe out the Armenians.  That was a genocide, I think.

[hot enough]

25 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Well, there was that time the Americans tried to wipe out the Armenians.  That was a genocide, I think.

Do you think it's funny to make jokes about the slaughter of people, bcsapper?

Is this a peculiar British type of humor, a Churchillian type humor?

What about the Brits and their Indian genocide?

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Between 12 and 29 million Indians died of starvation while it was under the control of the British Empire, as millions of tons of wheat were exported to Britain as famine raged in India.

In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Winston Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal. 

Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, Churchill said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html

 

[OftenWrong]

How evil are they?

None.

[OftenWrong]

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Net official development assistance by country in 2015

To qualify as official development assistance, a contribution must contain three elements:

1. Be undertaken by the official sector (that is, a government or government agency);
2. With promotion of economic development and welfare as the main objective;
3. At concessional financial terms (that is, with favorable loan terms.)
   Thus, by definition, ODA does not include private donations.

Top Listings:

1.  United States – $31.08 billion
2.  United Kingdom – $18.70 billion
3.  Germany – $17.78 billion
4.  Japan – $9.32 billion
5.  France – $9.23 billion
6.  Sweden – $7.09 billion
7.  Netherlands – $5.81 billion
8.  Canada – $4.29 billion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

Edited November 9, 2017 by OftenWrong

[Altai]

5 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Well, there was that time the Americans tried to wipe out the Armenians.  That was a genocide, I think.

We invited and still invite any countries to create a common research comission about so-called Armenian genocide. They all rejected and they still reject because you all are lying. People who claims there was a genocide cannot even show where the anatolia or Armenia placed on the World map, you are just brainwashed by your media, you are willing to be brinwashed, you want to be brainwashed 

[Ash74]

10 minutes ago, Altai said:

We invited and still invite any countries to create a common research comission about so-called Armenian genocide. They all rejected and they still reject because you all are lying. People who claims there was a genocide cannot even show where the anatolia or Armenia placed on the World map, you are just brainwashed by your media, you are willing to be brinwashed, you want to be brainwashed 

Turkey has also bribed and threatened foreign investigators to help deny the genocide claims. Including paying lobby groups in the U.S. not call it a genocide.

[H10]

Oh everyone knows usa and uk are evil

[Altai]

2 hours ago, Ash74 said:

Turkey has also bribed and threatened foreign investigators to help deny the genocide claims. Including paying lobby groups in the U.S. not call it a genocide.

Yes our govt did such a thing and paid Jewish lobies to prevent anti-Turkish perception works insistently done by Jewish-Armenian-Turkish lobies. Because these anti-Turkish propaganda washing brains of Western people against Turkiye and our govt dont want such a thing to happen. We have many companies operating in different countries and we has a huge tourism income and dont want them to be affected by these idiotic lies. Threatening them is really a soft approach, I think that they have to be assassinated.



 

[Ash74]

22 hours ago, Altai said:

Yes our govt did such a thing and paid Jewish lobies to prevent anti-Turkish perception works insistently done by Jewish-Armenian-Turkish lobies. Because these anti-Turkish propaganda washing brains of Western people against Turkiye and our govt dont want such a thing to happen. We have many companies operating in different countries and we has a huge tourism income and dont want them to be affected by these idiotic lies. Threatening them is really a soft approach, I think that they have to be assassinated.



 

The genocide is pretty much taken as truth. Has not hurt the tourist industry. The fall in tourism in Turkey is due to the number of Germans now going to Greece and other nations. 

[Altai]

1 hour ago, Ash74 said:

The genocide is pretty much taken as truth. Has not hurt the tourist industry. The fall in tourism in Turkey is due to the number of Germans now going to Greece and other nations. 

Yes unfortunately, hypocritically,  un-democratically it is taken taken as truth by many democracy mouthpiece Westerners. Fall in tourism was because of the anti-Turkish propaganda of whole Western countries plus Russia. 

Anyway, please start another topic if you are interested to discuss that. I dont want to derail topics.