Rue Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 4 hours ago, GostHacked said: We are up to a certain point. But some things are done with out our approval. If we had to vote for this would it pass? Who does that money benefit? Does it benefit Canadians on the whole, or just a small group part of our very own military industrial complex? Now you are going to pretend there is no spin off from the military industrial complex that directy enables your lifestyle. More selective amnesia. Lol. Go find out where your double double came from moral saint.
hot enough Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Rue said: Welcome to a thread other then your own but being a groupie of Erdogan, your criticism is hilarious. You're a groupie of a whole host of known war criminals/terrorists from numerous countries, US, Israel, UK, ... . You shouldn't point fingers because you would likely misspell everything.
hot enough Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 39 minutes ago, Rue said: Now you are going to pretend there is no spin off from the military industrial complex that directy enables your lifestyle. More selective amnesia. Lol. Go find out where your double double came from moral saint. See what I mean. You point fingers at folks when you have a less than zero moral base yourself.
GostHacked Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Posted August 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Rue said: Now you are going to pretend there is no spin off from the military industrial complex that directy enables your lifestyle. More selective amnesia. Lol. Go find out where your double double came from moral saint. Just because I may benefit from it, does not mean I like or accept it. And no where am I pretending there is no spin off, I am just not sure what those spin offs are. Can you say what they are? Your posts have gone super childish now.
Argus Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 On 8/9/2017 at 11:24 AM, GostHacked said: How democratic is it if we don't have a say in how our foreign policy plays out? Why should you have a say in what a private company sells to a foreign government? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, GostHacked said: We are up to a certain point. But some things are done with out our approval. If we had to vote for this would it pass? Who does that money benefit? Does it benefit Canadians on the whole, or just a small group part of our very own military industrial complex? How much are you willing to sacrifice so that we do not do deals like this? Are you willing to surrender your job? Your house? What are you personally willing to pay? You're asking that all the hundreds of men and women whose jobs depend on this sort of sale to give up their jobs because it makes YOU uncomfortable. Don't you think that is more than a little arrogant? Note that I have written many times that I detest the Saudi regime. Nonetheless, I'm not naive enough to believe that our refusal to sell them armored vehicles would have the slightest impact on their behaviour or on their military abilities. They would simply shrug and buy them from the US or UK or France or Russians or whomever. Furthermore, everything we buy from China helps profit the Chinese regime, which uses those moneys to build up its military to help it control its citizens and threaten its neighbours. How is that any different from selling armored vehicles to the Saudis? Edited August 10, 2017 by Argus 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PIK Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 When are canadians going to realize that everything trudeau says is a lie. He could have stopped that sale the minute he became PM. 1 Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Rue Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) On 2017-08-09 at 3:30 PM, Altai said: You are sick and this is not my words. Your president said that israelis are sick. I am not Israeli. However I appreciate anti semites can not and do not differentiate Jews from Israelis. You not I come on this forum and pose yourself as an admirer of Erdogan. You support a dictator. It makes your pointing a finger at other dictators a joke. Edited August 11, 2017 by Rue
Rue Posted August 10, 2017 Report Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, GostHacked said: I am just not sure what those spin offs are. Can you say what they are? Right you haven't a clue about the military industrial complex that built youe world your fridge, your car, your computer, your air conditioning, your medicine, the airplane you travel in, your t.v., internet, radio, satellite and solar technology, to start with. Go on play stupid. No opinion on Kadr now know clue of the military industrial complex. Your selective amnesia is a pathetic attempt at passive aggressive avoidance and an example of how you shit on your own thread trying to hide from your moral selectivity. What a joke. Edited August 11, 2017 by Rue
Rue Posted August 11, 2017 Report Posted August 11, 2017 12 hours ago, GostHacked said: Just because I may benefit from it, does not mean I like or accept it. And no where am I pretending there is no spin off, I am just not sure what those spin offs are. Can you say what they are? Your posts have gone super childish now. The attempt to prop yourself in a position of being able to patronize me is a joke. You came on the Kadr thread to defend him and portray Canada as a terrorist nation and support the idea of compensation to him in addition to making a veiled couched insult at Canadian soldiers posing your insult as if it came from someone else. Kadr when your thread clearly enunciates your opinions. Now you want to pose yourself as someone shocked that Trudeau only paid lip service to Saudi Arabia and in this latest reference draw pity for yourself with this latest bull shit reference.."just because I benefit, does no mean I like or accept it" What a blithering joke. You you now pose as a martyr and someone who suffers. You drip liberal pus. It oozes out of your two faced, selective cause of the day pores. Run along and express guilt to someone else. I Right. You suffer. People force you into your lifestyle. What a crock of shit. Another liberal who claims his shit don't stink. Open a window. For those that don't know, the " I benefitted from it but didn't like or accept it" line was the most common defensive response by Nazis or those whi benefitted from n Jewish stolen property after turning Jews in at the Nuremberg trials, Its a classic attempt to justify being a shmuck. My point is we all benefit from those military sales which is why Trudeau is a joke. saying he's concerned. This is someone who claimed Harper was wrong for criticizing China's human rights record.. He does whatever is expedient at the moment. This is someone who said and on the hand says he won't negotiate with terrorists, then in the next breath makes a closed door deal paying off a terrorist.
Rue Posted August 11, 2017 Report Posted August 11, 2017 On 2017-08-09 at 1:35 PM, GostHacked said: This topic is Saudi Arabia and the weapons deal. There is another thread regarding Kadr, maybe you should head on over there. I did and on that thread you originally brought this thread up using the Saudi sale as an example of Canada as supporting terrorism and terrorists while defending Kadr in the same breath.. 1
hot enough Posted August 11, 2017 Report Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Rue said: I did and on that thread you originally brought this thread up using the Saudi sale as an example of Canada as supporting terrorism and terrorists while defending Kadr in the same breath.. Conswearvatives throw up these phony tangents all the time, particularly when you are getting smacked down. Edited August 11, 2017 by hot enough
GostHacked Posted August 11, 2017 Author Report Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Anyways, let's get back on topic instead of making this about me, or Jew. Edited August 11, 2017 by GostHacked
GostHacked Posted August 11, 2017 Author Report Posted August 11, 2017 20 hours ago, Rue said: I did and on that thread you originally brought this thread up using the Saudi sale as an example of Canada as supporting terrorism and terrorists while defending Kadr in the same breath.. Because the Saudis ARE terrorists. Remember 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were SAUDI nationals. Would you rather sell the stuff to North Korea? If not , WHY not?
eyeball Posted August 12, 2017 Report Posted August 12, 2017 On 8/9/2017 at 2:21 PM, GostHacked said: We are up to a certain point. But some things are done with out our approval. If we had to vote for this would it pass? Who does that money benefit? Does it benefit Canadians on the whole, or just a small group part of our very own military industrial complex? According to some people we even approve when we don't vote, we're happy with things just as they are. 1 A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted August 12, 2017 Report Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, GostHacked said: Because the Saudis ARE terrorists. Remember 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were SAUDI nationals. Would you rather sell the stuff to North Korea? If not , WHY not? You are selective who you call a terrorist or terrorists. You have referred in the Kadr thread that Canada supports terrorism and terrorists. You went on the Kadr thread to defend Kadr. As a result you have demonstrated you use the word "terrorist" in a selective manner that renders your use of it lacking in any credibility. Your entire thread is an example of selective liberal guilt. Its not there when it comes to the children of the father Kadr killed or Sgt. Speer's widow. Its not there for Canadian soldiers who put their life on the line fighting terrorists in Afghanistan. but Its there for Saudi Arabia? What crap. What bullshit. Your last question demonstrates you have political biases for certain countries and not others when it comes to military sales and try project that kind of thought process on me, Either all military sales are wrong or just military sales to certain people or countries which one is it? If its the former and not the latter then may I suggest you move to some commune and grow granola. If is the latter, may I suggest your take on who a terrorist is was lost on me when you called Canada a supporter of terrorists and made apologies for Kadr on the Kadr thread...you know the same thread you claim does not express an opinion on Kadr by you...you know the thread where you did make a point of turning it into a Jew thing. Your thread is a narcissistic exercise by you Ghost seeking to confesss your sins. You are just another liberal jacking off to relieve your guilt. This is not about you jacking off your feelings of guilt it is about whether not just Canada but the world can evolve past military industrial activity as its lynch pin economic activity. I now argue, If the world does evolve past military industrial dependence, It will be up to future generations to reject everything and anything liberal jack offs embrace and hold on to.. Homo sapiens learned to pick up a log and bash people over the head and kill indiscriminately-we are the only life form other than it is now argued chimpanzees that engage in this behaviour. We have not learned to evolve past our primal urge to indiscriminately clear and so to put the log down and find an alternative communication form to resolve conflict. I would also point out monkeys jack off at zoos when they are put on display as a form of passive aggression to show their anger and resentment of being trapped and constantly scrutinized. Lliberals like you are no different. You are quick o jack off when you feel you are on display, i.e., being held accountable for yiour belief. This is why I don't stand by you, There are plenty of liberal jack offs like you . Seen one jack off, you've seen them all,. You ymoan over Justin fantasies with in one breath , then seek to confess in the next breath how feel bad about moaning over Justin. Get over it.. The world is not your confessional booth to ask for forgiveness for engaging in liberal jerk off sessions. . . Edited August 12, 2017 by Rue
GostHacked Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Rue said: You are selective who you call a terrorist or terrorists. You have referred in the Kadr thread that Canada supports terrorism and terrorists. You went on the Kadr thread to defend Kadr. As a result you have demonstrated you use the word "terrorist" in a selective manner that renders your use of it lacking in any credibility. Your entire thread is an example of selective liberal guilt. Its not there when it comes to the children of the father Kadr killed or Sgt. Speer's widow. Its not there for Canadian soldiers who put their life on the line fighting terrorists in Afghanistan. but Its there for Saudi Arabia? What crap. What bullshit. Your last question demonstrates you have political biases for certain countries and not others when it comes to military sales and try project that kind of thought process on me, Either all military sales are wrong or just military sales to certain people or countries which one is it? If its the former and not the latter then may I suggest you move to some commune and grow granola. If is the latter, may I suggest your take on who a terrorist is was lost on me when you called Canada a supporter of terrorists and made apologies for Kadr on the Kadr thread...you know the same thread you claim does not express an opinion on Kadr by you...you know the thread where you did make a point of turning it into a Jew thing. Your thread is a narcissistic exercise by you Ghost seeking to confesss your sins. You are just another liberal jacking off to relieve your guilt. This is not about you jacking off your feelings of guilt it is about whether not just Canada but the world can evolve past military industrial activity as its lynch pin economic activity. I now argue, If the world does evolve past military industrial dependence, It will be up to future generations to reject everything and anything liberal jack offs embrace and hold on to.. Homo sapiens learned to pick up a log and bash people over the head and kill indiscriminately-we are the only life form other than it is now argued chimpanzees that engage in this behaviour. We have not learned to evolve past our primal urge to indiscriminately clear and so to put the log down and find an alternative communication form to resolve conflict. I would also point out monkeys jack off at zoos when they are put on display as a form of passive aggression to show their anger and resentment of being trapped and constantly scrutinized. Lliberals like you are no different. You are quick o jack off when you feel you are on display, i.e., being held accountable for yiour belief. This is why I don't stand by you, There are plenty of liberal jack offs like you . Seen one jack off, you've seen them all,. You ymoan over Justin fantasies with in one breath , then seek to confess in the next breath how feel bad about moaning over Justin. Get over it.. The world is not your confessional booth to ask for forgiveness for engaging in liberal jerk off sessions. Hey Rue, can I tell you what I really think? Or do you want to do it for me? I had another reply in mind, but I decided to high-lite the best parts of this post. I should make the font bigger. Edited August 12, 2017 by GostHacked
Rue Posted August 12, 2017 Report Posted August 12, 2017 22 hours ago, GostHacked said: Anyways, let's get back on topic instead of making this about me, or Jew. I guess this one you did not need to parse before you quoted it. We are making progress.
Rue Posted August 12, 2017 Report Posted August 12, 2017 My contempt for liberals Like Ghost who discuss social issues from the perspective of their own feelings of guilt can be summarized as follows: #"Where are all are guilty, no one is; confessions of collective guilt are the best possible safeguard against the discovery of culprits, and the very magnitude of the crime the best excuse for doing nothing. " Hannah Arendt Liberal jack offs in my opinion tend to reduce issues that have complex components to reflections of their own guilt for doing sweet phack all in life about anything other than whining. Lip service jack off liberals for me epitomized in this thread make political discussions a joke. How does feeling guilty change anything. It doesn't. Its a pity party, a pissing of self indulgence out the pores. I have no time for it. Guilt is a wasted emotion of the self indulgent. Saudi Arabia's armoured cars were clearly going to be used as control mechanisms against civilians in civilian areas. Saying you have concerns about that is a sanctimonious crock of shit as is whining about the sales having happened. Every damn police force in the world now uses them let alone armed forces. Enough with this bull shit mincing of words. If Ghost has a problem with Saudi Arabia's regime he should say so and explain why. He should also understand his selective biases of what nations he calls terrorist and non-terrorist and his feelings of guilt can be and will be challenged by me or others as b.s.
Rue Posted August 12, 2017 Report Posted August 12, 2017 http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business http://www.whichcountry.co/which-country-sells-the-most-arms/
GostHacked Posted August 13, 2017 Author Report Posted August 13, 2017 17 hours ago, Rue said: My contempt for liberals Like Ghost who discuss social issues from the perspective of their own feelings of guilt can be summarized as follows: #"Where are all are guilty, no one is; confessions of collective guilt are the best possible safeguard against the discovery of culprits, and the very magnitude of the crime the best excuse for doing nothing. " Hannah Arendt Liberal jack offs in my opinion tend to reduce issues that have complex components to reflections of their own guilt for doing sweet phack all in life about anything other than whining. Lip service jack off liberals for me epitomized in this thread make political discussions a joke. How does feeling guilty change anything. It doesn't. Its a pity party, a pissing of self indulgence out the pores. I have no time for it. Guilt is a wasted emotion of the self indulgent. Saudi Arabia's armoured cars were clearly going to be used as control mechanisms against civilians in civilian areas. Saying you have concerns about that is a sanctimonious crock of shit as is whining about the sales having happened. Every damn police force in the world now uses them let alone armed forces. Enough with this bull shit mincing of words. If Ghost has a problem with Saudi Arabia's regime he should say so and explain why. He should also understand his selective biases of what nations he calls terrorist and non-terrorist and his feelings of guilt can be and will be challenged by me or others as b.s. I would tell you what I think and feel, but then again, you seem to want to do it for me. So if you really want my real reply, you are gonna have to be a bit more civilized. Otherwise I'll keep high-lightning the 'best' part of your posts. There is no value in actually giving you a proper response.
Argus Posted August 13, 2017 Report Posted August 13, 2017 Why don't we focus on the real point. Which is that restricting sales to Saudi Arabia would be a meaningless gesture which would simply make people feel smug and superior. We're still buying oil from them. Why isn't anyone saying we should stop? That's where they get the money to buy weapons, after all. But then, same goes for China, which is also crushing its people under its brutal dictatorship and threatening its neighbours. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted August 13, 2017 Report Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, GostHacked said: I would tell you what I think and feel, but then again, you seem to want to do it for me. So if you really want my real reply, you are gonna have to be a bit more civilized. Otherwise I'll keep high-lightning the 'best' part of your posts. There is no value in actually giving you a proper response. Your narcissism of course refers everything back to how you feel. Why the phack do you think this is about your feelings? To me you are a boil with pus in it. You need to be lanced. You are an ignorant bigot. You get what you deserve, contempt. I have as much use for you as I do pus. Is that clear? Oh sure it is. Edited August 13, 2017 by Rue
eyeball Posted August 14, 2017 Report Posted August 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Argus said: Why don't we focus on the real point. Which is that restricting sales to Saudi Arabia would be a meaningless gesture which would simply make people feel smug and superior. We're still buying oil from them. Why isn't anyone saying we should stop? That's where they get the money to buy weapons, after all. Will someone please tell Argus that people that have been saying this for years and are ignored with the same argument he's making, it would be a meaningless gesture. That's why you also have to stop wheeling and dealing with allies that as blithely and happily shit all over their principles too. Quote But then, same goes for China, which is also crushing its people under its brutal dictatorship and threatening its neighbours. So to do the utterly amoral apologetics Argus subscribes to. I recall how Stephan Harper used to opine that we shouldn't have truck nor trade with the dictatorship in China when he was stumping for power but look what happened once that two-faced liar got his power - utter amorality right to the core. 1 A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Posted August 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, eyeball said: Will someone please tell Argus that people that have been saying this for years and are ignored with the same argument he's making, it would be a meaningless gesture. That's why you also have to stop wheeling and dealing with allies that as blithely and happily shit all over their principles too. So to do the utterly amoral apologetics Argus subscribes to. Quite mistaken, as "principles" are what is actually done...not what is said. Wheeling and dealing with allies matters a lot more than smug feelings of superiority, and that very much includes Canada. Economics trumps Virtue.
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