Native complaints about Canada's 150th

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18 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Typical Nordic modesty. Here are some reasons for staying under current management which I presume haven't changed too radically in the last five years: 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/greenlands-success-shows-canadas-child-mortality-disgrace/article1211264/?arc404=true

 

 

I don't know about the Canadian Inuits but in Greenland they have a huge problem of alcoholism, deprivation and most of all suicides which is the hjghest rate in the world. In canada, the US, Australia those problems with the indigenous people is often explained by the lost land-theory but in Greenland they have a country of their own where they are the majority. So the lost land-theory doesn't explain those problems.

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Sorry, I replied to your post before I read the link you provided as in the link there was an answer to my question.

[jacee]

On 2017-7-21 at 11:12 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

The current arrangements do not work well for aboriginal kids. The bands should be resettled in larger, more viable communities and far more accountability must be required regarding how money is spent.  

Forced relocation isn't legal.

[jacee]

22 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It needs proper oversight, from a non-indian.

Unfortunately, bureaucrats at Aboriginal Affairs scrutinize every window purchase, delay every minor housing repair. It's a quagmire of 'oversight' and indecision.

More local control is needed.

[SpankyMcFarland]

54 minutes ago, jacee said:

Forced relocation isn't legal.

I'm afraid it needs to be made legal. We can't carry on with the same failed policies. The conditions in some locations are unacceptable for Canadian kids. I can see there are competing rights here and I feel we need to bring the issue of child welfare more to the fore. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I don't know about the Canadian Inuits but in Greenland they have a huge problem of alcoholism, deprivation and most of all suicides which is the hjghest rate in the world. In canada, the US, Australia those problems with the indigenous people is often explained by the lost land-theory but in Greenland they have a country of their own where they are the majority. So the lost land-theory doesn't explain those problems.

These problems are present in both jurisdictions but we seem to doing even worse in Canada is what I am saying. 

[OftenWrong]

17 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I don't know about the Canadian Inuits but in Greenland they have a huge problem of alcoholism, deprivation and most of all suicides which is the hjghest rate in the world. In canada, the US, Australia those problems with the indigenous people is often explained by the lost land-theory but in Greenland they have a country of their own where they are the majority. So the lost land-theory doesn't explain those problems.

Inuits have the same problem here in Canada. I never heard of the lost-land theory but at this point in time, indians are not under threat of having anything taken away. Yet still they wallow in despair, alcoholism, violence towards their women. This is a cultural problem that has been learned and passed on from parents to children. This lifestyle is now part of their culture.

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, jacee said:

Unfortunately, bureaucrats at Aboriginal Affairs scrutinize every window purchase, delay every minor housing repair. It's a quagmire of 'oversight' and indecision.

More local control is needed.

I can see why they need to do that. But the problem is not that insufficient funding is given, it's that the funding is being misappropriated. Despite being given billions of dollars in government funding, many still live in abject poverty. No matter how much is given to them, no matter how carefully the money is controlled, they still manage to squander it and come up empty handed. The number of cases involving misappropriation of funds (by Indians) is astounding.

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2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Inuits have the same problem here in Canada. I never heard of the lost-land theory but at this point in time, indians are not under threat of having anything taken away. Yet still they wallow in despair, alcoholism, violence towards their women. This is a cultural problem that has been learned and passed on from parents to children. This lifestyle is now part of their culture.

Even though Greenland has a large degree of autonomy Denmark is still responsible for a lot of what is going on in Greenland and one thing is that as there are simply too few professional people in Greenland to keep the society running Denmark has offered lucrative 2-year deals for professional people to live in Greenland for that period of time.

Some of them even stay there after their stint is over. About 10% of the population of Greenland are ethnic Danes.

Is there something similar regarding Nunavut?

 

[OftenWrong]

9 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Even though Greenland has a large degree of autonomy Denmark is still responsible for a lot of what is going on in Greenland and one thing is that as there are simply too few professional people in Greenland to keep the society running Denmark has offered lucrative 2-year deals for professional people to live in Greenland for that period of time.

Some of them even stay there after their stint is over. About 10% of the population of Greenland are ethnic Danes.

Is there something similar regarding Nunavut?

 

It's the same problem essentially, nobody wants to work there. There is absolutely nothing there. Northern Canada is a vast area with very low population living in tiny, isolated communities. In those remote areas, an infection or a broken leg can be a life-threatening situation. In many cases people have to travel thousands of km to get the health care they need. The Canadian government offers incentives and job finding services for health care workers to relocate to the north. These programs are targeted towards new graduates who are beginning their professional careers in health and social services.

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OK, I admit it; I was wrong when I said that Greenland would be better off being part of Canada than being a Danish colony.

The reason I said that was as there is another Danish colony, the Faeroe-Isles, whose people are Scandinavian and therefore it makes perfect sense that they are a Danish colony but the Greenlanders have nothing in common with Denmark. 

Also there is a lot of talk in Denmark how all the immigrants should be dumped into Greenland, which in my opinion shows a kind of attitude that they don't really respect the Greenlanders at all. Fortunately, given the autonomy Greenland has such a dumping would be impossible.

Perhaps Canada could legally dump its immigrants into Nunavut if it wanted to do so and the people of Nunavut would have no way of protesting about it.

 

[jacee]

On 2017-7-23 at 0:42 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I'm afraid it needs to be made legal. We can't carry on with the same failed policies. The conditions in some locations are unacceptable for Canadian kids. I can see there are competing rights here and I feel we need to bring the issue of child welfare more to the fore. 

Yes we do.

But forced relocation is another genocidal tactic, used by Canada in the past but never helpfully. We also tried taking all their children and putting them in brutal 'reeducation' schools, and scooping their children and putting them in white foster/adoptive homes.

None of those genocidal strategies has been beneficial to them.

Perhaps instead of suggesting disgusting unilateral genocidal tactics, our governments need to listen to what Indigenous people say their needs are and address those needs.

I believe we should start by providing the same level of funding as other Canadian kids have for education, child care, health and social services, ensuring that they can access healthy foods, and have facilities and funding for sports and other activities.

I think we need to listen to them!

[jbg]

On 7/6/2017 at 3:35 AM, jacee said:

Seems pretty important to me, for the youth.

Wouldn't adequate schools and living conditions above horrid be more important for the youth?

[jbg]

On 7/24/2017 at 3:59 PM, jacee said:

Yes we do.

But forced relocation is another genocidal tactic, used by Canada in the past but never helpfully. We also tried taking all their children and putting them in brutal 'reeducation' schools, and scooping their children and putting them in white foster/adoptive homes.

None of those genocidal strategies has been beneficial to them.

Perhaps instead of suggesting disgusting unilateral genocidal tactics, our governments need to listen to what Indigenous people say their needs are and address those needs.

I believe we should start by providing the same level of funding as other Canadian kids have for education, child care, health and social services, ensuring that they can access healthy foods, and have facilities and funding for sports and other activities.

I think we need to listen to them!

OK,  what are your non-genocidal suggestions?

[jacee]

5 hours ago, jbg said:

Jacee

Perhaps instead of suggesting disgusting unilateral genocidal tactics, our governments need to listen to what Indigenous people say their needs are and address those needs.

I believe we should start by providing the same level of funding as other Canadian kids have for education, child care, health and social services, ensuring that they can access healthy foods, and have facilities and funding for sports and other activities.

I think we need to listen to them!

Did you miss it? 

Edited September 3, 2017 by jacee
Correction

[Argus]

On 7/24/2017 at 3:59 PM, jacee said:

Perhaps instead of suggesting disgusting unilateral genocidal tactics, our governments need to listen to what Indigenous people say their needs are and address those needs.

Ten times more money and no accountability for how it's spent? Sorry, not going to happen.