eyeball Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And unceded British Columbia is still occupied. Co-operatively in the Ha'houlthee I live in. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: Co-operatively in the Ha'houlthee I live in. Oh sure...it's co-operatively...or else. No worries....we all have ways to rationalize such things in self interest. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 2 hours ago, eyeball said: The problem with Vietnam is that the American Right didn't round up the American Left. Never mind what were they thinking then, how much longer is this going to be allowed to stand? Now that I'm subscribed to it I've been watching Fox News a bit, and if what they're reporting about the threat from the left is anything to gauge by, it might not be long. I wonder if they'll make me quote Ayn Rand, Rush Limbaugh or the bible when they come kick my door in? Uh...the Democrats did Viet-Nam. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 Still shoulda rounded them up. You want something done right you do it yourself. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 10 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Uh...the Democrats did Viet-Nam. Is this a bald faced lie or is this simply your ignorance? Truman started the war crimes/terrorism against Vietnam and those continued until the 1990s under all manner of US war criminal/terrorist presidents. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, hot enough said: Is this a bald faced lie or is this simply your ignorance? Truman started the war crimes/terrorism against Vietnam and those continued until the 1990s under all manner of US war criminal/terrorist presidents. Your alt-history aside, LBJ was a Democrat. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Your alt-history aside, LBJ was a Democrat. You didn't answer the question. Do you deny that the US was involved in Vietnam affairs before the time LBJ became president? Quote
Argus Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 On 6/18/2017 at 0:09 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said: A couple of examples of US foreign policy: From fifty and seventy years ago? Seriously? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 2 hours ago, hot enough said: Truman started the war crimes/terrorism against Vietnam and those continued until the 1990s under all manner of US war criminal/terrorist presidents. Truman was not French...there is a reason Vietnam was called "French Indochina" going back to the 18th century. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Truman was not French...there is a reason Vietnam was called "French Indochina" going back to the 18th century. Correction: Truman started the USA war crimes/terrorism against Vietnam and those continued until the 1990s under all manner of US war criminal/terrorist presidents. Quote
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: From fifty and seventy years ago? Seriously? Yes, seriously, Argus. And these war crimes and terrorism have only grown. But nice try with another of your trademark diversions. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, hot enough said: Correction: Truman started the USA war crimes/terrorism against Vietnam and those continued until the 1990s under all manner of US war criminal/terrorist presidents. Nope...U.S. was allied with Ho and involved in French Indochina during WW2 against the occupying Japanese, long before Truman became president. Try again... 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope...U.S. was allied with Ho and involved in French Indochina during WW2 against the occupying Japanese, long before Truman became president. Typical amoral, backstabbing, treacherous Americans. Thanks for pointing that out. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, hot enough said: Typical amoral, backstabbing, treacherous Americans. Thanks for pointing that out. I am always happy to assist the factually challenged in this and other matters. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Typical amoral, backstabbing, treacherous Americans. Yes, let's get that fact well established, as US propaganda has long been hiding this, even from its own citizens. Typical amoral, backstabbing, treacherous Americans. And FD Roosevelt was also part of it, as were prior presidents that supported powers that were raping and pillaging lands as the US was doing. Edited June 19, 2017 by hot enough Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Argus said: From fifty and seventy years ago? Seriously? You likely need a calculator to calculate. The 1953 CIA coup in Iran was 54 years ago not 70, but that nation is still paying a heavy price for it as it could have been a democracy now instead of theocracy if it wasn't for the coup. Americans killed democracy in Iran forever. As for Chile It was in 1973 and that makes it only 44 years ago not 50. So many people died or tortured or disappeared for decades after until Pinochet stepped aside (even though for years after he was still deciding as he had the army officers behind him) and still Chile is not a complete democracy. But plenty of recent examples too. Iraq invasion and devastation, Afghanistan killings of defenseless women and children ........and the list goes on. Edited June 19, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 47 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: You likely need a calculator to calculate. The 1953 CIA coup in Iran was 54 years ago not 70, .... 2017 - 1953 = 64 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: 2017 - 1953 = 64 So I need a calculator too after 8 hours of intense work is expected... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 4 hours ago, hot enough said: You didn't answer the question. Do you deny that the US was involved in Vietnam affairs before the time LBJ became president? LBJ committed the combat troops in response to the NVA's attack on the airbase at Bien Hoa. The first appearance of the dreaded American in Indochina was when the CID parachuted-in a few agents in 1945...to better arm/train the Viet-Minh vs the Japanese. Also known as WW2. Upon Japanese surrender, the Viet-Minh fought the French (and initially some British/Indian troops) culminating in 1954's Dien Bien Phu...a disaster for the Frenchies. The US then showed interest in the region again as the Communists gained traction. Red China/USSR, of course, had been supporting the Viet-Minh from 1950 onward. The UN also stepped-in and partitioned the country at this point. And to review for you... Truman: Democrat Eisenhower: Republican Kennedy: Democrat LBJ: Democrat Nixon: Republican Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: You likely need a calculator to calculate. The 1953 CIA coup in Iran was 54 years ago not 70, but that nation is still paying a heavy price for it as it could have been a democracy now instead of theocracy if it wasn't for the coup. Americans killed democracy in Iran forever. Oh bullshit. It was on its way out anyway. There were scores of 'democracies' in that period that lasted one election and then turned into dictatorships. There's absolutely no reason to believe this would have been any different. You also completely exempt the citizens of Iran from what developed, as if they were all just a bunch of animals with no say in how their society was ordered. 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: As for Chile It was in 1973 and that makes it only 44 years ago not 50. So many people died or tortured or disappeared for decades after until Pinochet stepped aside (even though for years after he was still deciding as he had the army officers behind him) and still Chile is not a complete democracy. But plenty of recent examples too. Iraq invasion and devastation, Afghanistan killings of defenseless women and children ........and the list goes on. You prefer to deal with ancient history because modern history is far less clear-cut. Afghanistan was an invasion condoned by the United Nations, of a nation run by one of the world's most brutal regimes which itself had seized power through the barrel of a gun and had no legitimacy. It was no more representative of the people's will than Iraq. Why do you believe people who seize and then hold power through mass murder have any legitimacy? At least the ones there now have a sort of legitimacy from being elected, however imperfect those elections. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: LBJ committed the c Your initial attempts at deception are duly noted and your failure to admit those attempts at deception are also duly noted. It was also quite humorous how you illustrated your own deceptive manner. 1. Dop: Uh...the Democrats did Viet-Nam. 2. Dop: Your alt-history aside, LBJ was a Democrat. 3. Dop: And to review for you... Truman: Democrat Eisenhower: Republican Kennedy: Democrat LBJ: Democrat Nixon: Republican Edited June 19, 2017 by hot enough Quote
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Argus said: Oh bullshit. It was on its way out anyway. There were scores of 'democracies' in that period that lasted one election and then turned into dictatorships. There's absolutely no reason to believe this would have been any different. You don't have the foggiest notion of what you speak. So what's new! Quote You also completely exempt the citizens of Iran from what developed, as if they were all just a bunch of animals with no say in how their society was ordered. It's amazing how you guys can contradict yourselves from one side of your mouth to the other. That is exactly what the US put in place under the brutal, right wing [just like you, Argus, right wing] dictatorship the US installed in Iran, and everywhere else the US invades. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, hot enough said: Your initial attempts at deception are duly noted and your failure to admit those attempts at deception are also duly noted. It was also quite humorous how you illustrated your own deceptive manner. Try English. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Try English. Try discussing English with me and you'll soon find out you also know nothing about that. I'm not surprised you would try this. It's one; your dishonesty, or two; your inability to comprehend English. It's easy for people to see what a stunning hypocrite you are. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Posted June 19, 2017 55 minutes ago, Argus said: Oh bullshit. It was on its way out anyway. There were scores of 'democracies' in that period that lasted one election and then turned into dictatorships. There's absolutely no reason to believe this would have been any different. You also completely exempt the citizens of Iran from what developed, as if they were all just a bunch of animals with no say in how their society was ordered. What on earth are you talking about?? What was on its way out? Where there were scores of democracies that turned into dictatorships? In Iran? Yes I have already explained in details how the 1953 coup led to 1979 revolution No citizens have a say in how their society is run in a dictatorship. I thought by now you knew this already. Quote
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