DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Taking the longer view, I think the current enthusiasm for religion will fade in the ME. Younger people are already realizing how it fails to provide what they want. It's a scam basically. So your theory is that younger Muslims are much less devout than say...their Muslim parents? Edited June 15, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 15 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: The Six Day War was started by Nasser. Which would never have happened if your family hadn't started WW2. You're free to dispute the facts but not the history. Sorry but them's the rules hereabouts apparently. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, eyeball said: Which would never have happened if your family hadn't started WW2. You're free to dispute the facts but not the history. Sorry but them's the rules hereabouts apparently. My family started WW2, now? That's an interesting insane theory in itself. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: So your theory is that younger Muslims are much less devout than say...their Muslim parents? They are exposed to different influences. In Iran, for example, despite the best efforts of the government, many young people are well aware of what they are missing out on and how badly their country is run. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, SpankyMcFarland said: They are exposed to different influences. In Iran, for example, despite the best efforts of the government, many young people are well aware of what they are missing out on and how badly their country is run. So...any second now, Islamic terrorism will vanish like a morning mist dissipated by sunshine? As Mark Steyn so cleverly said: folks approach this exactly like a religion...hopes and prayers that we are right. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: My family started WW2, now? That's an interesting insane theory in itself. Your uncle was a Nazi, Nazis started WW2. You're saying the Nazis didn't start WW2? I'd be interested in hearing more about that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Your uncle was a Nazi, Nazis started WW2. You're saying the Nazis didn't start WW2? I'd be interested in hearing more about that. False equivalency to protect your beloved Islam. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 We gotta do what we gotta do these days. Never give an inch right? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: We gotta do what we gotta do these days. Never give an inch right? It's your pet desert religion. Do what you must to destroy the decadent West and replace it with Islam. You'll have plenty of help from some quarters Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 51 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: So...any second now, Islamic terrorism will vanish like a morning mist dissipated by sunshine? As Mark Steyn so cleverly said: folks approach this exactly like a religion...hopes and prayers that we are right. I recall Mark Steyn making some very hopey-changey predictions for Iraq that did not age well. Each region has its own problems. Iran has a three thousand year history of centralized authoritarian government, briefly interrupted on a few occasions. That tendency will be hard to shake but scepticism that the Assembly of Experts can deliver anything useful in this world is rife already. in my limited experience, Iranians, like Kurds, are highly variable in their political opinions and are much less paranoid about the US than, say, Pakistanis. Just talk to them and find out. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 18 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: I recall Mark Steyn making some very hopey-changey predictions for Iraq that did not age well. Each region has its own problems. Iran has a three thousand year history of centralized authoritarian government, briefly interrupted on a few occasions. That tendency will be hard to shake but scepticism that the Assembly of Experts can deliver anything useful in this world is rife already. in my limited experience, Iranians, like Kurds, are highly variable in their political opinions and are much less paranoid about the US than, say, Pakistanis. Just talk to them and find out. The left predictably hates Mark Steyn. Well, by all means, enjoy your new religion. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2017 Report Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: It's your pet desert religion. Do what you must to destroy the decadent West and replace it with Islam. You'll have plenty of help from some quarters No need for me to do anything, the West is quite ably destroying itself without any help from me or anyone else for that matter. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
GostHacked Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) On 6/15/2017 at 0:52 PM, eyeball said: We gotta do what we gotta do these days. Never give an inch right? I would have said 'never give an inch, Reich?? Edited June 16, 2017 by GostHacked Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) On 2017-06-15 at 1:46 PM, DogOnPorch said: So your theory is that younger Muslims are much less devout than say...their Muslim parents? Take Iran as an example. A significant minority never bought into the Revolution. Now social media offers such people a way to express their dissent: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40218711 https://www.facebook.com/StealthyFreedom/?hc_ref=SEARCH Edited June 17, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/14/2017 at 9:21 PM, kactus said: BS.....Hezbollah is at war with Israel. Israel makes Hezbollah at war with the world. For and Army Guy you have zero clue what you are on about... Have you even researched your own comment.....I did a simple google search and came up with a lot more than what i printed out.....maybe you should try it. Maybe i'm not the one that knows jack shit about the topic..... Hezbollah has been involved in a lot of issues around the globe, yes they are at war with Israel.....but why are the a proxy for Iran, why were they fighting in Bosina, syria, and other countries..... Are there any Israeli troops there ? ....NONE....so why are they so interested in what is happening in other muslim countries.....or fighting other opponents other than Israelis ?.....Because they are terrorists that's why......Iranian terrorists....go figure...... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Have you even researched your own comment.....I did a simple google search and came up with a lot more than what i printed out.....maybe you should try it. Maybe i'm not the one that knows jack shit about the topic..... Hezbollah has been involved in a lot of issues around the globe, yes they are at war with Israel.....but why are the a proxy for Iran, why were they fighting in Bosina, syria, and other countries..... Are there any Israeli troops there ? ....NONE....so why are they so interested in what is happening in other muslim countries.....or fighting other opponents other than Israelis ?.....Because they are terrorists that's why......Iranian terrorists....go figure...... Hezbollah is a grim organization but why would you fault its fighters for defending Sunni Muslims in Bosnia from slaughter by Christians? The Americans did the same while Europe made speeches. That's not an example of terrorism. You're on stronger ground in Syria where they are fighting to keep a brutal dictator in power. To play the devil's advocate on that.. it is next door to Lebanon, Assad is the President and his Allawites are related to the Shias theologically so what they are doing there is hard to classify. Edited June 17, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 15 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Take Iran as an example. A significant minority never bought into the Revolution. Now social media offers such people a way to express their dissent: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40218711 https://www.facebook.com/StealthyFreedom/?hc_ref=SEARCH As I pointed-out: Before Islam reared its ugly head as a modern political force, Iran and Israel were good friends and allies. Iran, pretty much a trusted Middle Eastern ally AGAINST Communism. You can blame the Mullahs...they very guys The Shah was putting the screws to. Many Iranians regret '79, now...a lot now call themselves Israeli...or American...or Canadian...etc. The Shah...not such a bad fellow...next to these f------g savages. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: As I pointed-out: Before Islam reared its ugly head as a modern political force... You can thank the ugly political force of the West for putting the Shah on the mullahs with...pliers...electro-shocking...water-boarding...murder A fine moderate dictator or so I've been told. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 Just now, eyeball said: You can thank the ugly political force of the West for putting the Shah on the mullahs with...pliers...electro-shocking...water-boarding...murder A fine moderate dictator or so I've been told. Mossadeq and The Shah are two different people...not one. Stalin...your guy...put The Shah on the Peacock throne in 1941...you'll just have to deal with that fact one day. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) And then we restored him in 1953... I suppose someone must have told us we were free to support Stalin. Thanks, I guess. Edited June 17, 2017 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Iran 1941...British Pathe'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RVYXRTeOiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9OiU7p9eM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBcbez-ap4E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAWGse0bc1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9BCpUpfDlQ 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: And then we restored him in 1953... I suppose someone must have told us we were free to support Stalin. Thanks, I guess. Uh...no...Mossadeq was removed in 1953 for nationalizing the oil fields (aka theft) and playing footsies with the Soviet Union. Not some other reason. The Shah was on the throne since 1941...replacing his pro-Nazi father. I know...you'd have preferred the Nazis win WW2...but that didn't happen. Edited June 17, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I know...you'd have preferred the Nazis win WW2...but that didn't happen. WELL, you've got to admit modern history would likely be a while lot simpler and less convoluted if your uncle had won. You'd be speaking German and no more or less wiser than you are now. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 Just now, eyeball said: WELL, you've got to admit modern history would likely be a while lot simpler and less convoluted if your uncle had won. You'd be speaking German and no more or less wiser than you are now. You're free to wish for Nazi victories in the past...or present. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 14 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Hezbollah is a grim organization but why would you fault its fighters for defending Sunni Muslims in Bosnia from slaughter by Christians? The Americans did the same while Europe made speeches. That's not an example of terrorism. You're on stronger ground in Syria where they are fighting to keep a brutal dictator in power. To play the devil's advocate on that.. it is next door to Lebanon, Assad is the President and his Allawites are related to the Shias theologically so what they are doing there is hard to classify. Quote The Bosniaks are predominantly Muslim by religion, for which reason they have also been emphasized as "Bosnian Muslims" throughout their history, a term which thus also implies ethnic belonging. Albeit traditionally adherent to Sunni Islam of the Hanafi school of jurisprudence, a 2012 survey found 54% of Bosnia and Herzegovina's Muslims to consider themselves non-denominational Muslims, while 38% declared to follow Sunnism.[2] There is also a small Sufi community, located primarily in Central Bosnia. [3] Only 38 % declare themselves to be Sunni....That and the fact Bosnia was not about religion, it was about 4 factions grabbing as much land as possible before peace talks took place, they did that through ethic cleansing, serbs cleared out everyone not of serb decent, same as croats, and muslims....they all did it, some more than others, but they all did....SO why did Hezbollah get involved in bosnia, out of all the conflicts ongoing with over 1/2 of them involving muslim, why does a terrorist organization get involved....well there was a lot of money to be made selling wpns, their was the training value for their members, there was a chance to kill western troops, but just helping other muslims sorry i don't buy it..... But how do you explain the other nations Hezbollah is involved with.....why help other nations or groups when there is so much to be done in Lebanon..... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: You're free to wish for Nazi victories in the past...or present. Thank God...I thought I might be in a dictatorship for a minute there Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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