Taking False Credit = Telling Lies. The shades of Liberals

[betsy]

What's with the LIberals' penchant for taking  sole credit, which is actually telling lies.....just so to tell tall tales?

 

It starts from the very  top.  Justin Trudeau.  

Justin loves to take credit - from the Keystone Pipeline (implying somehow he had something to do with its approval - when in fact Stephen Harper did all the heavy lifting, and it's only fortunate for Trudeau that Trump (who had the same vision as Harper), became President (and not his bosom buddy Obama who'd sunk it!). 

Then, Trudeau took credit from Trump's reversed decision about NAFTA.  Like as if it's only Trudeau who talked to Trump, and thanks to Justin's "wisdom" - he knocked some sense into Trump!

 

And now.....here comes our Defense Minister Sajjan, who took credit for Operation Medusa in Afghanistan!

 

 

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Defence minister Sajjan under fire for Operation Medusa

 

But the whole sordid tale is as awkward and uncomfortable as political scandals can get. Not because Sajjan, a reservist intelligence officer, may have embellished his role in 2009’s Operation Medusa in Afghanistan, but because of the Canadians who died in that operation against the Taliban.

Four in the first day: Pte. William Jonathan James Cushley, 21, Warrant Officer Frank Robert Mellish, 38, Warrant Officer Richard Francis Nolan, 39, and Sgt. Shane Stachnik, 30.

 

The controversy stems from Sajjan’s remarks in India in which he talked about being the “architect” of Operation Medusa which may have been brushed off as a minor improvement on a war story if not for a 2015 interview in which he not only takes credit for this role but quotes Vance as being the one who actually said it.

“If I could quote him, he said I was the architect of Operation Medusa, one of the biggest operations since the Korean war that Canada has led,” Sajjan said in 2015 of Vance while running as a Liberal candidate.

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/04/29/defence-minister-sajjan-under-fire-for-operation-medusa

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

Uhhhh....maybe our Defense Minister will reminisce about the time he took sniper shots with Hillary on the tarmac?

 

Or, the unforgettable  ride on a shot down helicopter with Brian Williams?

[Omni]

Harper, for all his efforts got 0 pipeline's approved in his nearly a decade in office. The fact that both Trudeau and the other amigo phoned Trump to discuss MATO and that Trump admits those discussions swayed him, and the fact that Trudeau did not put words in Sajjan's mouth should go some way to blunt this round of your anti Trudeau rant. You'll have to try harder. A lot harder.

[drummindiver]

What an embarrassment. And a disservice to the men and women who were involved.

[betsy]

47 minutes ago, Omni said:

Harper, for all his efforts got 0 pipeline's approved in his nearly a decade in office.

 

Because of Obama!   It's not Harper's fault if Obama is an environmental loonie! 

With Trump's victory - Trudeau knew all along where Trump would be heading, pipeline-wise.  Trump's been saying it during the campaign.   Trudeau had to go along....

 

 

 

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The fact that both Trudeau and the other amigo phoned Trump to discuss MATO and that Trump admits those discussions swayed him, and the fact that Trudeau did not put words in Sajjan's mouth should go some way to blunt this round of your anti Trudeau rant. You'll have to try harder. A lot harder.

 

The fact is TRUDEAU CLAIMED ALL THE CREDIT in the interview!  He didn't share the credit with Mexico and the lobbyists.  Trump's narrative was very much different - he mentioned Canada and Mexico!

 

Trudeau may've not put the words in Sajjan's mouth - but he behaved like Sajjan!  Sajjan must've been inspired by lying Trudeau! 

 

Just shows you......lying comes naturally to the Liberals!

Edited April 30, 2017 by betsy

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

Because of Obama!   It's not Harper's fault if Obama is an environmental loonie! 

With Trump's victory - Trudeau knew all along where Trump would be heading, pipeline-wise.  Trump's been saying it during the campaign.   Trudeau had to go along....

 

 

The fact is TRUDEAU CLAIMED ALL THE CREDIT in the interview!  He didn't share the credit with Mexico and the lobbyists.  Trump's narrative was very much different - he mentioned Canada and Mexico!

 

Trudeau may've not put tyhe words in Sajjan's mouth - but he behaved like Sajjan!  Sajjan must've been inspired by lying Trudeau! 

 

Lying comes naturally to the Liberals!

Trudeau is, for better or worse, pro pipeline for now, while at the same time wanting to head for a reduction in fossil fuel use. He understands the science of global warming. Trudeau took credit, if you want to call it that, for his own conversation with Trump, why should he try and take credit for Nieto's efforts? That's much more like what Trump might do/has done. Trudeau behaved like Sajjan? That's quite an obvious stretch. You really didn't try very hard.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Omni said:

Harper, for all his efforts got 0 pipeline's approved in his nearly a decade in office. The fact that both Trudeau and the other amigo phoned Trump to discuss MATO and that Trump admits those discussions swayed him, and the fact that Trudeau did not put words in Sajjan's mouth should go some way to blunt this round of your anti Trudeau rant. You'll have to try harder. A lot harder.

 

 

Harper and his cabinet approved the Northern Gateway Pipeline, but this was later rejected after the 2015 election by Trudeau.

Harper approved the Keystone XL pipeline and Obama rejected it.   

Edited April 30, 2017 by blackbird

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You forgot that Harper and the cabinet approved the Northern Gateway Pipeline.  Guess who banned it later?

Perhaps you forgot that the approval Harper sought for that pipeline was quashed by the courts because he ignored various first nations stakeholders.

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

Perhaps you forgot that the approval Harper sought for that pipeline was quashed by the courts because he ignored various first nations stakeholders.

Harper did not "seek approval".  Harper and the federal government officially approved the pipeline project.  Later a court held it up saying there was not enough consultation with native bands.  That is disputable.  The NEB's Joint Review Panel held hearings all along the route for a year or two, received thousands of written submissions, and held countless hearings.  You obviously don't know the facts.  The courts did not ban the project.  They only put it on hold.  The Trudeau government could have tried to hold more hearings and discussions with native bands to try to satisfy the courts complaint.  Many bands already agreed with the pipeline.  But instead Trudeau was against the pipeline in the first place and so completely rejected the project. 

Edited April 30, 2017 by blackbird

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Harper did not "seek approval".  Harper and the federal government officially approved the pipeline project.  Later a court held it up saying there was not enought consultation with native bands.  That is disputable.  The NEB's Joint REview Panel held hearing all along the route for a year or two, received thousands of written submissions, and held countless hearings.  You obviously don't know the facts.  The courts did not bannish the project.  They only put it on hold.  The Trudeau government could have tried to hold more hearings and discussions with native bands.  Many bands already agreed with the pipeline.  But instead Trudeau was against the pipeline and so completely rejected the project. 

It was arguments directly from First Nations that convinced the Federal Court to quash the attempt at a pipeline.

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Omni said:

It was arguments directly from First Nations that convinced the Federal Court to quash the attempt at a pipeline.

You don't seem to understand.  The judge did not say there could be no pipeliine period.  He doesn't have the power to permanently stop a pipeline being just a judge.  He put it on hold because of lack of consultation he said.  The government could have continued the consulation process, but because Trudeau came into power, Trudeau closed it down.  But the judge did not abolish the project. You misunderstand how it works.

Edited April 30, 2017 by blackbird

[Omni]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You don't seem to understand.  The judge did not say there could be no pipeliine period.  He doesn't have the power to permanently stop a pipeline being just a judge.  He put it on hold because of lack of consultation he said.  The government could have continued the consulation process, but because Trudeau as then in power, Trudeau closoed it down.  But the judge did not abolish the project. You misunderstand how it works.

How it works was Harper's arrogance and disregard for First nations got in the way to quash his project. The courts had to point that out to him.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

How it works was Harper's arrogance and disregard for First nations got in the way to quash his project. The courts had to point that out to him.

As I said, I don't think you understand the process.  First nations had ample input with thousands of submissions, hundreds of hearings across B.C.  I don't know what more could have been done.  Some bands simply won't participate and will continue to protest.  That's how it always will be.  You can't please everyone.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

As I said, I don't think you understand the process.  First nations had ample input with thousands of submissions, hundreds of hearings across B.C.  I don't know what more could have been done.  Some bands simply won't participate and will continue to protest.  That's how it always will be.  You can't please everyone.

I understand why i'm this case the process didn't work.

The Federal Court of Appeal has overturned approval of Enbridge's controversial Northern Gateway project after finding Ottawa failed to properly consult the First Nations affected by the pipeline.

"We find that Canada offered only a brief, hurried and inadequate opportunity … to exchange and discuss information and to dialogue," the ruling says.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Omni said:

 

"We find that Canada offered only a brief, hurried and inadequate opportunity … to exchange and discuss information and to dialogue," the ruling says.

 

Translation: Some of the chiefs want more money, and want it unreported and in their private bank accounts. Then the pipeline can go forward.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Translation: Some of the chiefs want more money, and want it unreported and in their private bank accounts. Then the pipeline can go forward.

Explanation: you'd expect compensation if they dug a furrow through your backyard.

[Argus]

22 minutes ago, Omni said:

Explanation: you'd expect compensation if they dug a furrow through your backyard.

Yeah but not if the furrow was being dug twenty miles away.

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yeah but not if the furrow was being dug twenty miles away.

I guess First Nations have a bigger back yard.

[Argus]

40 minutes ago, Omni said:

I guess First Nations have a bigger back yard.

If you include the land that doesn't belong to them, then yeah.

[Omni]

Just now, Argus said:

If you include the land that doesn't belong to them, then yeah.

I was only including the land that does belong to them. 

[bush_cheney2004]

The Liberals can't help themselves....lying is just part of the game for them.   Liberal leadership has counted on the majority of Canadians being kept in a bubble of half truths and falsehoods, especially when it comes to foreign policy.  But that is becoming more and more difficult in a world with a much wider access to democratized "news".

Squirm Liberals...squirm.

 

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The Liberals can't help themselves....lying is just part of the game for them.   Liberal leadership has counted on the majority of Canadians being kept in a bubble of half truths and falsehoods, especially when it comes to foreign policy.  But that is becoming more and more difficult in a world with a much wider access to democratized "news".

Squirm Liberals...squirm.

 

Naw, when we need something done we just get the PM to phone up Trump and set him straight.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Liberal party has lied so often for so long it the "natural ruling" state for Canada's self-appointed "natural ruling party".

 

[Omni]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The Liberal party has lied so often for so long it the "natural ruling" state for Canada's self-appointed "natural ruling party".

 

No, appointed by the people more often than not. I thought you of all people would know we have a democratic voting system here. BTW, speaking of liars, how's Trump doing?

[betsy]

18 hours ago, Omni said:

Trudeau is, for better or worse, pro pipeline for now, while at the same time wanting to head for a reduction in fossil fuel use. He understands the science of global warming. Trudeau took credit, if you want to call it that, for his own conversation with Trump, why should he try and take credit for Nieto's efforts? That's much more like what Trump might do/has done. Trudeau behaved like Sajjan? That's quite an obvious stretch. You really didn't try very hard.

 

Trudeau took credit as being the one to have explained to Trump about the basics of NAFTA - as in, many jobs depend on NAFTA (like as if Trump hasn't a clue about that fact) -  and that he was the one to have convinced Trump to re-negotiate!

 

Embellishment!  Just like Sajjan's - to make himself look good to Canadians!  Pathetic!  These two have a serious problem with self-esteem! 

Edited May 1, 2017 by betsy