Arkansas hurries to execute convicts before drugs expire

[taxme]

11 hours ago, Omni said:

I'd like to hear what your so called "extra goodies" amount to. But if you want to look at it from a strictly cost perspective, check out what it costs the US taxpayer by the time they actually get around to killing a prisoner as opposed to housing one for many years. Give you a hint, it's the lengthy. mandatory appeals process.

Hopefully, Trump will change all of that. Lengthy appeals only make lawyers and judges richer. It helps keep them employed. A murderer only needs one extra shot at it and if they lose well tough luck. How is that for a hint?  

[Omni]

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

Hopefully, Trump will change all of that. Lengthy appeals only make lawyers and judges richer. It helps keep them employed. A murderer only needs one extra shot at it and if they lose well tough luck. How is that for a hint?  

Trump hasn't got a hope in hell of changing that. I doubt even he is foolish enough to try.  When the state is going to kill someone they need to know errors were not made by courts/lawyers. Much simpler, cheaper, and smarter to just stop state killing. 

[Michael Hardner]

15 hours ago, taxme said:

1) Why put someone in jail for so many years or forever where the taxpayer's have to pay lots of tax dollars to feed,clothe, and house them, plus give them other goodies thrown in there for good measure.

2) They may have just murdered one of your loved ones, and you appear to feel that it is alright what they did, and that they should spend time in jail rather than be executed for killing someone you love? If one wants to take the life of someone than they should have to forfeit their life. I do not have a problem with that. Why should they get to still live while your family member killed cannot. It seems only common sense and logical to me. 

 

1) It's been shown that the full execution process is more expensive than life in jail, I have read.

2) Sure, but it's a justice system not a vengeance system.  The government isn't there to exact revenge on your behalf.

Why is it that people who don't trust government to do much of anything also think that it would do a good job of executing the right person in murder cases ?

[bush_cheney2004]

Nothing special about convicted murderers....federal, state, and local governments execute many people each year with police power impunity for lesser crimes, without hearings or trials.   

The death penalty is not justice...it is punishment meted out by the justice system.

 

[Omni]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Nothing special about convicted murderers....federal, state, and local governments execute many people each year with police power impunity for lesser crimes, without hearings or trials.   

The death penalty is not justice...it is punishment meted out by the justice system.

 

Quite the "legal" system.

[taxme]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) It's been shown that the full execution process is more expensive than life in jail, I have read.

2) Sure, but it's a justice system not a vengeance system.  The government isn't there to exact revenge on your behalf.

Why is it that people who don't trust government to do much of anything also think that it would do a good job of executing the right person in murder cases ?

(1)So, some 25 year old murderer gets life in prison for the rest of his life, and you say that it is cheaper to incarcerate him for life than to execute him/her?  Common sense and logic tells me that it would be cheaper to just execute him/her, and as quickly as possible. 

(2)Well, it is well known that most Canadians favor the death penalty. It should be the people talking, not the politicians and judges, who decide as to who gets to be executed or not. Another prime example of politicians again telling the people as to how things will be done. We are being ruled by a minority mob. Let's put it to a referendum once and for all, and let the people decide. This is nothing to do with revenge at all. It is letting one know that if you murder someone than you may end up being murdered yourself by the state. 

(3)The government never does anything right. If the politicians left things up to we the people to decide as to how things will be done, than we would not be in the mess that we find ourselves in to today.  Government "IS" the problem. DNA normally will work or someone who has been caught in the crime of killing someone should be good enough for everyone. 

 

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Omni said:

Trump hasn't got a hope in hell of changing that. I doubt even he is foolish enough to try.  When the state is going to kill someone they need to know errors were not made by courts/lawyers. Much simpler, cheaper, and smarter to just stop state killing. 

Trump has enough on his plate already in trying to deal with the dumbocrat liberals who are still fighting the loss of the election. In all cases DNA should normally prove innocence or guilt. It would appear as though most members here always want to feel sorry for the accused rather than the victim. Strange indeed. 

[Omni]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump has enough on his plate already in trying to deal with the dumbocrat liberals who are still fighting the loss of the election. In all cases DNA should normally prove innocence or guilt. It would appear as though most members here always want to feel sorry for the accused rather than the victim. Strange indeed. 

First of all there are numerous cases where DNA has no bearing at all. Shoot a bank teller during a robbery for instance. Second of all Second of all it has nothing to do with sympathy, it has to do with not approving state sanctioned murder, and last of all, if you listened to Trump's speech today to the NRA, you would see that after nearly 100 days, he still think he is campaigning, and he is still hurting over the fact that the majority of Americans didn't vote for him. Now that is very strange. 

[bush_cheney2004]

19 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump has enough on his plate already in trying to deal with the dumbocrat liberals who are still fighting the loss of the election. In all cases DNA should normally prove innocence or guilt. It would appear as though most members here always want to feel sorry for the accused rather than the victim. Strange indeed. 

 

Agreed...the Hug-A-Thug® types don't give a damn about murder victims and families...they're already dead.  

 

 

[Omni]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed...the Hug-A-Thug® types don't give a damn about murder victims and families...they're already dead.  

 

 

You are correct now and then,yes they are already dead. And how does killing others resolve any of that? But hey, go ahead and fill up your jails, spend billions on the appeals process, and then torture some more with your faulty injections. But then the US used to sell popcorn at public hangings, so I guess it's just all part of American "culture" Yee haw. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

(2)Well, it is well known that most Canadians favor the death penalty. It should be the people talking, not the politicians and judges,

You mean the sheeple don't you? The clueless idiots you usually crap on as being so stupid and blind they can't perceive what they don't know?

You figure they should trump what a judge says or are judges even stupider than a herd of sheeple?

[Omni]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Well, it is well known that most Canadians favor the death penalty. It should be the people talking, not the politicians and judges, who decide as to who gets to be executed or not.

Especially on important issues such as this, you don't go to the sheeple to decide. The sheeple get to go to the ballet boxes and elect people who will hopefully be assigned to tasks in which they have expertise upon which they will make those decisions. Don't expect the death penalty to be brought back in here anytime soon. The experts here are aware of how badly it has failed in the US, and elsewhere.  

[Michael Hardner]

Here taxme - this article explains why.

https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31614

[taxme]

4 hours ago, Omni said:

Second of all Second of all it has nothing to do with sympathy, it has to do with not approving state sanctioned murder, and last of all, if you listened to Trump's speech today to the NRA, you would see that after nearly 100 days, he still think he is campaigning, and he is still hurting over the fact that the majority of Americans didn't vote for him. Now that is very strange. 

Trump is President, so he is not hurting from those liberals who did not vote for him, and it would appear as though he doesn't give a dam about what they say or think. Trump is signing executive orders like there is no tomorrow. Trump is repealing or replacing liberal stupid communist programs and agendas, and the cry baby liberals are going ballistic. Aw rats. 

"First of all there are numerous cases where DNA has no bearing at all. Shoot a bank teller during a robbery for instance".  No, really?   

[taxme]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You mean the sheeple don't you? The clueless idiots you usually crap on as being so stupid and blind they can't perceive what they don't know?

You figure they should trump what a judge says or are judges even stupider than a herd of sheeple?

Sometimes clueless idiots do get it right. Believe it or not. 

All I am trying to say here is that the people should be asked if they are in favor of the death penalty or not. If sheeple like you win well no death penalty. Some judges should not be judges at all. Most judges have become too political today. And when handing down sentences in some cases, one better not be on the opposite political side of that judge. 

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump is President, so he is not hurting from those liberals who did not vote for him, and it would appear as though he doesn't give a dam about what they say or think. Trump is signing executive orders like there is no tomorrow. Trump is repealing or replacing liberal stupid communist programs and agendas, and the cry baby liberals are going ballistic. Aw rats. 

"First of all there are numerous cases where DNA has no bearing at all. Shoot a bank teller during a robbery for instance".  No, really?   

if he doesn't give a damn why can't he stop pissing and moaning about it and also continue to tell these obvious lies about the # of people who turned out for his inauguration and actually do something serious? His speech today was yet another joke. When will he stop flip flopping? You have already been shown enough evidence to tell you why you should consider changing your pro death penalty stance. Maybe you require more time to study it.

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

Sometimes clueless idiots do get it right. Believe it or not. 

All I am trying to say here is that the people should be asked if they are in favor of the death penalty or not. If sheeple like you win well no death penalty. Some judges should not be judges at all. Most judges have become too political today. And when handing down sentences in some cases, one better not be on the opposite political side of that judge. 

Sheeple don't have the knowledge at their disposal to make these types of decisions. Would you like to have a tradesman deciding how healthcare reforms should be dealt with? 

And that's nothing against tradesmen btw.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Omni

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Omni said:

Especially on important issues such as this, you don't go to the sheeple to decide. The sheeple get to go to the ballet boxes and elect people who will hopefully be assigned to tasks in which they have expertise upon which they will make those decisions. Don't expect the death penalty to be brought back in here anytime soon. The experts here are aware of how badly it has failed in the US, and elsewhere.  

So, what you are saying here is that once a politician gets elected that is it. The people have no right to decide on anything then. The politician knows best, eh? He is the boss, and he will tell us as to how we will live our lives. Looks more like you prefer dictatorship to democracy with that kind of response. 

Our fake and phony dictator politicians will never allow any kind of referendums for we the people. There are many important issues that we the people should have a right to vote on but that will never happen in Canadistan. Politicians treat the people with contempt, and it would appear as though you like it that way. 

The people will never get the death penalty alright, nor a vote on it because there are too many people making money from not having a death penalty. We are able to put down animals humanely,and I am pretty sure that can be done to humans also. But like everything else done in this country, it is the minority that always get their way. That is not democracy. 

 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, what you are saying here is that once a politician gets elected that is it. The people have no right to decide on anything then. The politician knows best, eh? He is the boss, and he will tell us as to how we will live our lives. Looks more like you prefer dictatorship to democracy with that kind of response. 

Our fake and phony dictator politicians will never allow any kind of referendums for we the people. There are many important issues that we the people should have a right to vote on but that will never happen in Canadistan. Politicians treat the people with contempt, and it would appear as though you like it that way. 

The people will never get the death penalty alright, nor a vote on it because there are too many people making money from not having a death penalty. We are able to put down animals humanely,and I am pretty sure that can be done to humans also. But like everything else done in this country, it is the minority that always get their way. That is not democracy. 

 

Trying to rule by plebiscite has been tried, most recently as I recall was in California and it didn't work at all. And just to remind you, we have scheduled elections where we put people in, or take them out of power to make educated decisions. That's how democracy works. Dictatorships are something quite different but you will have to study that yourself on your own time.

[taxme]

13 minutes ago, Omni said:

if he doesn't give a damn why can't he stop pissing and moaning about it and also continue to tell these obvious lies about the # of people who turned out for his inauguration and actually do something serious? His speech today was yet another joke. When will he stop flip flopping? You have already been shown enough evidence to tell you why you should consider changing your pro death penalty stance. Maybe you require more time to study it.

 

14 minutes ago, Omni said:

if he doesn't give a damn why can't he stop pissing and moaning about it and also continue to tell these obvious lies about the # of people who turned out for his inauguration and actually do something serious? His speech today was yet another joke. When will he stop flip flopping? You have already been shown enough evidence to tell you why you should consider changing your pro death penalty stance. Maybe you require more time to study it.

You must be talking about trudeau, eh? Trudeau pretty much is/has done all that you say Trump has done. You awake yet? All the evidence that I am getting from you and others here is that you/they do not want the death penalty. Too bad for you/they, but I do. So, you must think that it is more humane to just keep murderers locked up for the rest of their life? That doesn't sound all that humane to me. Maybe it is you who requires more time to study. I have, and I am finished with all my studies. My way is the right way. 

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

 

You must be talking about trudeau, eh? Trudeau pretty much is/has done all that you say Trump has done. You awake yet? All the evidence that I am getting from you and others here is that you/they do not want the death penalty. Too bad for you/they, but I do. So, you must think that it is more humane to just keep murderers locked up for the rest of their life? That doesn't sound all that humane to me. Maybe it is you who requires more time to study. I have, and I am finished with all my studies. My way is the right way. 

JT doesn't want the death penalty either, like most of the rest of us. You keep people in jail first to protect public safety, and them you look at the possibility of rehabilitation. If you think that tying a rope around someone's neck and kicking the feet out from under them is more humane, them I think you have a problem, but you are allowed your opinion. But it won't be happening here any time soon. 

[taxme]

3 minutes ago, Omni said:

Trying to rule by plebiscite has been tried, most recently as I recall was in California and it didn't work at all. And just to remind you, we have scheduled elections where we put people in, or take them out of power to make educated decisions. That's how democracy works. Dictatorships are something quite different but you will have to study that yourself on your own time.

Ever heard of Switzerland? They have citizen initiated referendums and recall, and have plenty of referendums, and it seems to be working just fine for them. That is democracy something I don't think that you quite understand yet. Referendums are one of many things that our dictators do not want we the people to have. Imagine allowing we the people to have a say on a certain issue and be able to vote it down or keep it. I would like to have a referendum on foreign-aid for instance because I believe that the billions of tax dollars that have been blown on other countries should be staying at home. That will never happen. I will bet you that if the people had a vote for a yes or no on foreign-aid or the death penalty I am pretty sure that I would know that foreign-aid would end, and the death penalty would come back.

I cannot recall Canada having any kinds of referendums within the last several decades. In California many referendums voted by the people, who said yes too were thrown out by some court action as being unconstitutional or so they have said it was unconstitutional.

So, we have scheduled elections where we can get to vote but that is it. You have no more to say or offer after the election is over because you are right back where you started from. Being ignored once again. Stop believing that politicians give a dam about you, they don't. And just about all of them make uneducated decisions that always tend to end up screwing the taxpayer's. There is no democracy in Canada. If there is show me where it is? Wake up and smell the coffee. 

[Omni]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Ever heard of Switzerland? They have citizen initiated referendums and recall, and have plenty of referendums, and it seems to be working just fine for them. That is democracy something I don't think that you quite understand yet. Referendums are one of many things that our dictators do not want we the people to have. Imagine allowing we the people to have a say on a certain issue and be able to vote it down or keep it. I would like to have a referendum on foreign-aid for instance because I believe that the billions of tax dollars that have been blown on other countries should be staying at home. That will never happen. I will bet you that if the people had a vote for a yes or no on foreign-aid or the death penalty I am pretty sure that I would know that foreign-aid would end, and the death penalty would come back.

I cannot recall Canada having any kinds of referendums within the last several decades. In California many referendums voted by the people, who said yes too were thrown out by some court action as being unconstitutional or so they have said it was unconstitutional.

So, we have scheduled elections where we can get to vote but that is it. You have no more to say or offer after the election is over because you are right back where you started from. Being ignored once again. Stop believing that politicians give a dam about you, they don't. And just about all of them make uneducated decisions that always tend to end up screwing the taxpayer's. There is no democracy in Canada. If there is show me where it is? Wake up and smell the coffee. 

Certain issues do come to a referendum from time to time here but it is not an efficient way to run government. People would vote for or against this or that while not knowing what the hell the issue actually is. The death penalty issue fits that category about as solidly as amy I can think of. Cooler heads will prevail.

[taxme]

8 minutes ago, Omni said:

JT doesn't want the death penalty either, like most of the rest of us. You keep people in jail first to protect public safety, and them you look at the possibility of rehabilitation. If you think that tying a rope around someone's neck and kicking the feet out from under them is more humane, them I think you have a problem, but you are allowed your opinion. But it won't be happening here any time soon. 

Stop talking liberal foolishness. I am not saying that we should bring back hanging if the death penalty were ever brought back. That is inhumane. Stop trying to make yourself look like you really care as to what happens to a murderer anyway. You just appear to want to look politically correct. 

So, Mr. killer we are going to put you in jail for a little while until we can look at the possibility of rehabilitating you. Forget about that poor young girl you murdered, the public has already forgotten about you and her anyway. We just want to try and get you out as soon as possible back on to the streets once again because we know that you have learned your lesson, and  you will be a good boy from now on, right? Yup, liberals are and do think like that. The public can go to hell because we the liberals don't care about the public anyway. We like our murderers. 

JT does like his refugees though. 

 

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, Omni said:

Certain issues do come to a referendum from time to time here but it is not an efficient way to run government. People would vote for or against this or that while not knowing what the hell the issue actually is. The death penalty issue fits that category about as solidly as amy I can think of. Cooler heads will prevail.

Most people at election time vote for someone and they don't know why. They will say that politician said something I like so I will vote for him/her. They are not concerned about anything else that the politician may have on his/her agenda that could be detrimental to that voter. Cooler heads have prevailed alright, and look at the mess Canada is in. But what do you care, eh?