Our soldiers suffer while caught in the middle.

[Rue]

12 minutes ago, dre said:

That's another cool story bro!

Except of course that I didnt attack him personally... I didnt call him a liar, and I didnt ridicule the death of any soldiers, and didnt pose as a military expert.

That's some damn fine bleating and wretching and moaning though! Too bad its all complete horse sh%$

1. I am not your bro.

2. You did attack him personally and by using the sarcastic reference "cool story bro" you ridicule what he said and your choice of the word "story" alleges it was fabricated. I do expect however you would come back and deny your very words.

3.When you tell someone their story is "cool bro" you disrespect them, suggest they are making up things and are a liar and can ridicule them.

4.You most certainly ridiculed not only Army Guy but all soldiers with these childish comments:

"And the fact remains that if I was in charge there wouldn't be any dead or sick or homeless troops, and if you were in charge there would probably be more. "

You not only pose as if you are a military expert who can run the military you accuse Army Guy of wanting to kill soldiers.

For that you are in my opinion someone who engaged in cowardly,  insulting references to all soldiers and not just Army Guy and I hope

is clear to anyone now what a presumptuous and spoiled sense of entitlement is behind those words.

You know where to find me. The fact you can't acknowledge your words and apologize for them is expected.

[Rue]

8 minutes ago, hot enough said:

xyz

You know where to find me as well. I am not going to sit here silent when people insult a soldier. That soldier should not have to defend himself on this board but should expect someone like me to. Its civilians who should be defending soldiers for their sacrificed not soldiers. If some of you do not get that hear it loud and clear from me.

The only thing any of you should be saying to a soldier is thank you. You have political opinions, save them for politicians. None of you not me. not you get to question the sacrifice of a soldier. Its off limits for all of us and if you do not get it, do some soul searching. Thank you.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Rue

[dre]

23 minutes ago, Rue said:

1. I am not your bro.

2. You did attack him personally and by using the sarcastic reference "cool story bro" you ridicule what he said and your choice of the word "story" alleges it was fabricated. I do expect however you would come back and deny your very words.

3.When you tell someone their story is "cool bro" you disrespect them, suggest they are making up things and are a liar and can ridicule them.

4.You most certainly ridiculed not only Army Guy but all soldiers with these childish comments:

"And the fact remains that if I was in charge there wouldn't be any dead or sick or homeless troops, and if you were in charge there would probably be more. "

You not only pose as if you are a military expert who can run the military you accuse Army Guy of wanting to kill soldiers.

For that you are in my opinion someone who engaged in cowardly,  insulting references to all soldiers and not just Army Guy and I hope

is clear to anyone now what a presumptuous and spoiled sense of entitlement is behind those words.

You know where to find me. The fact you can't acknowledge your words and apologize for them is expected.

Another cool story bro! All BS again of course

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

You know where to find me as well. I am not going to sit here silent when people insult a soldier. That soldier should not have to defend himself on this board but should expect someone like me to. Its civilians who should be defending soldiers for their sacrificed not soldiers. If some of you do not get that hear it loud and clear from me.

The only thing any of you should be saying to a soldier is thank you. You have political opinions, save them for politicians. None of you not me. not you get to question the sacrifice of a soldier. Its off limits for all of us and if you do not get it, do some soul searching. Thank you.

When you hate something enough, there is no discrimination to the venting of that hate.  Soldiers, poiticians, it doesn't matter.  Rationality does not share a bed with undiluted hatred.

Especially when no-one's really paying attention.

[hot enough]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

You know where to find me as well. I am not going to sit here silent when people insult a soldier. That soldier should not have to defend himself on this board but should expect someone like me to. Its civilians who should be defending soldiers for their sacrificed not soldiers. If some of you do not get that hear it loud and clear from me.

The only thing any of you should be saying to a soldier is thank you. You have political opinions, save them for politicians. None of you not me. not you get to question the sacrifice of a soldier. Its off limits for all of us and if you do not get it, do some soul searching. Thank you.

One of you usual rants, Rue. The notion that soldiers exist in a vacuum, or should exist in a vacuum, is pure and utter nonsense. No one has insulted Army Guy. Facts do not insult, lies insult, not only the soldiers but society at large. 

[eyeball]

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Edited March 25, 2017 by eyeball

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

When you hate something enough, there is no discrimination to the venting of that hate.  Soldiers, poiticians, it doesn't matter.  Rationality does not share a bed with undiluted hatred.

Especially when no-one's really paying attention.

Exactly what do you mean by undiluted hatred?

Why should citizens be expected to act like soldiers and not wonder why when they're sent to die? That's the sort of sycophancy warmongers probably get erections over.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Exactly what do you mean by undiluted hatred?

Why should citizens be expected to act like soldiers and not wonder why when they're sent to die? That's the sort of sycophancy warmongers probably get erections over.

Oh, not you.  I realize you aren't overly keen on the west but your views pale in comparison to some I've seen on here recently.

I was told I should kill myself last night.

[eyeball]

Oh well, even Al-Qaeda looks tame next to ISIS these days, and we probably haven't seen anything yet.

 

[hot enough]

29 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I was told I should kill myself last night.

That seems to go far beyond forum guidelines. Provide a link, please.

[Guest]

Just now, hot enough said:

That seems to go far beyond forum guidelines. Provide a link, please.

What if he gets into trouble...?

[-1=e^ipi]

15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes, the problem is me....and millions just like me, relics of yesteryear , Nice one, and yet here we are sending troops and equipment into Poland, Ukraine to stop Mother Russia from advancing her interests, such as seizing the portions of Ukraine, how has these actions made NATO obsolete ?

The west's unnecessary polarization of the situation in Ukraine which lead to civil war? What a disaster. If there was one recent conflict where peace keeping made sense, it was in Ukraine to prevent civil war. Canada's current position on Ukraine is immoral, we should respect the right to self determination of all regions of Ukraine. So if the Crimean people overwhelmingly want to be part of Russia, we should respect that. Also, this unnecessary hostility with Russia makes it difficult to work with Russia to deal with our common enemy of Islamic Extremism.

 

Do you really think the US is going to sit still while canada goes to O military....what are the consequence of that ?....

If the US doesn't like it, they can invade and annex us, in which case we win. We get freedom of speech, a monetary union, less trade barriers due to no border, greater labour mobility, increased capital investment, better netflix, etc.

[-1=e^ipi]

14 hours ago, Rue said:

Do you think you can have tht much ocean and not patrol it?

Coast guard isn't part of the military. Coast Guard is part of DFO, not the Department of Defence.

 

14 hours ago, Rue said:

But hey you giggle about polar bears while China builds up its navy so it can bully South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Japan, even Russia .

In case you did not read it, I said that while abolishing the military is feasible for Canada, it's not a position that I advocate.

 

14 hours ago, Rue said:

Yes Sir, You do know the Chinese navy has seized Vietnamese Islands illegally. Of course you do.

Vietnam/France gave China the Spratly and Parcel Islands in 1887 after the Sino-French war. China never relinquished its claim. Vietnam's claims to those Islands are illegitimate.

 

[-1=e^ipi]

14 hours ago, Rue said:

Our armed forces remain a last resort to defend against direct attacks on ourselves and our allies and  to defend our key economic interests and social values as well as to  prevent the spread of terrorism, drug trafficking and other types of crime.

 

How can the armed forces both defend our allies and defend our social values / fight terrorism as long as we are allied to countries like Saudi Arabia? They kill apostates, kill gay people, kill women that go shopping without a male escort, fund wahhabism, etc.

[-1=e^ipi]

14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

But i will make one thing clear here today, there was not a day that went by that i did not pray to god for peace, there was not a day that went by that i prayed i did not have to end another life.

You should find better uses for your time. Prayer doesn't do anything.

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

How can the armed forces both defend our allies and defend our social values / fight terrorism as long as we are allied to countries like Saudi Arabia? They kill apostates, kill gay people, kill women that go shopping without a male escort, fund wahhabism, etc.

It's true they do that, and in other M.E. and African nations too. Really when you think of it, no nation outside of western civilization has a good record on human rights, or comparable standards of living and education, and laws that protect liberty. Our culture while imperfect is the only hope for the world, and we are in the minority. We need to them to become like us, not the other way around. If we fail, it will be the Dark Ages all over again.

[Army Guy]

On 3/24/2017 at 2:43 PM, dre said:

Cool story bro! I have served my nation my whole life too by being a productive citizen not to mention funding your job and pay.

As for the silliness about trying to marginalize my opinion because I have not "written papers, or held rallies", this is nonsensical. I'm a private citizen, and I don't need to do any of that stuff to have an opinion.  And the fact remains that if I was in charge there wouldn't be any dead or sick or homeless troops, and if you were in charge there would probably be more.

You served nobody but yourself.....Hiding under the the shadow of others that served this nation, be it in the military, RCMP, or other dept....you sit in your arm chair in some cool dank basement, and judge others, or whine, cry, sob, about how you wish things were different, but you can't mange to lift your fat ass out of your chair to do anything to help yourself.....Because i stood up for my beliefs and took action by joining the military to make a difference and you stayed home to live in moms basement, and now you hate me for that .....to Fing bad......Your not a private Citizen....your a lazy SOB that wants everything handed to you on a plate....not willing to use your own rights and freedoms to make changes ....but your willing to trash everyone else's, when they don't match your agenda.....

   

[hot enough]

Why do you discuss various military incursions, Army Guy, and ipi discusses various US incursions, OftenWrong relates lies about the west but when I discuss the same issues or point out their errors, you leap all over me, telling me that it's not the topic of the thread?

Edited March 25, 2017 by hot enough

[Army Guy]

On 3/24/2017 at 5:48 PM, dre said:

That's another cool story bro!

Except of course that I didnt attack him personally... I didnt call him a liar, and I didnt ridicule the death of any soldiers, and did'nt pose as a military expert.

That's some damn fine bleating and wretching and moaning though! Too bad its all complete horse sh%$

Your right , i mean who am i to be telling stories, i thought it would add something to the debate i guess i was wrong...it seems it must of hit a chord with you though Dre, and i think i told you this already i really don't care what you think about me, or what i did for a living, or what you think is true or not..... Now i get the impression your not happy with the size of your penis, as you constantly feel the need to whip it out every time you respond to something on one of my posts, you feel the need to put me in my place as if some how the military was beneath your position in life....that am not as Canadian as you are, or i don't pay taxes some how...that some how i work for you, at your pleasure and beck and call....I'll let the rest of the posters here decide, for themselves who i am , I've been here since 2005 , always as Army Guy, even posted on this forum from Afghanistan to let the readers know what was happening before they read about it in the papers....when i retired from the military i received retirement letter and certificates from the CDS and PM , along with something from the Premier of NB thanking me for my service....what did you get again....oh ya a tax return , thanking you for your payment....but then again maybe when you move out of moms basement she'll might give you a little treat.... 

As to the rest of your remarks, they are your opinions and opinion are like assholes, even arm chair critics like you has one....

 

 

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Coast guard isn't part of the military. Coast Guard is part of DFO, not the Department of Defence.

 

You should talk to your liberal friends, they are going to combine the coast guard in with the military budget to increase our % of GDP spent on the military....for our NATO allies....

[-1=e^ipi]

Just now, Army Guy said:

You should talk to your liberal friends, they are going to combine the coast guard in with the military budget to increase our % of GDP spent on the military....for our NATO allies....

I was not aware of that information. Thanks.

 

Maybe they should count the RCMP as military as well.

[Army Guy]

2 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

I was not aware of that information. Thanks.

 

Maybe they should count the RCMP as military as well.

They are looking at a lot of options to fool our allies into thinking we spend more than we do, problem is that have to have a quasi military role, ie Para military, coast guard will have to become armed, the RCMP will have to pick up more roles as well ....etc etc

[Army Guy]

On 3/24/2017 at 5:48 PM, taxme said:

So, why do people keep joining the military? We have all just about heard all of the horror stories about wars and what happens to soldiers that join the military, and what happens to most of them after the war is over, and they come home. Why do people who join the military think that it will all just be fun and games? And when they come home from some war, and then start to cry and whine about how hard they are being done by, well, who's fault is that? Not mine that is for sure. Sorry to have to appear to sound so insensitive. 

People say they care but do they really? Personally, I wish Canada had no military. Any country having a military only keeps the bankster elite in the money. A national guard may be ok in my books for emergencies, but have a military, NO. People who join the military are the ones who come home maimed or dead, while the banksters, politicians, and military war making equipment corporations get to sit at home and play with soldiers lives. If one joins the military then one should not cry as to what happens to them when they return home. Just my opinion, of course. 

Everyone joins for their own reasons, but for a lot of members it is about making a difference, in our nation or in some small way in the world, beats sitting in moms basement, that gets them in the door, into the recruitment office, and like any sales men they could sell ice cream to eskimos in the middle of a blizzard...they don't mention any of the bad stuff, it's all about do jobs that are exciting, helping people that need it, it's about being part of a much larger organization part of a brotherhood, friendship that will last a life time.... 

Yes they touch on topics such as combat, but never in detail, and never the gory details....Now it is during training that their instructors will file them in on all the details...during battle school our instructors showed us movies and pictures on combat....we had a choice to make my generation we went 20 years without a major conflict......

You guys keep calling it crying, and whining when soldeirs just want to be treated fair and evenly........when a soldier gets wounded be it mentally or physically.....they are released, your services are no longer required, if you have enough time served you can collect a pension, if you don't then you get the golden hand shake....that is it, no workmens comp, nothing one day your in uniform the next your just another civey....waiting for pension checks can talk up to 4 to 5 months....something they don't tell you about until it is to late...

Canada's citizens are suppose to have our backs, i mean after all it is our citizens that could be called upon to fight as well, it is in their best interest really to ensure they are looked after and that the government is doing it's job, our nations security is part of that job.....History has shown us , in every major conflict our state of our military was in disrepair....and it cost the lives of not only professional soldiers but its citizens soldiers as well, WWI seen thousands die due to improper equipment, not enough equipment , WWII was the same story, Korean conflict the same....Afghan the same....so how many soldiers have to die, when the question should be why should any of our soldiers have to die due to bad choices that our government made.... But if the Citizens don't give a shit this repeats it self over and over again....I mean who is the government going to listen to...soldiers, not a large enough voting base.....it has to be you the citizens....

.the turn over rate is horrendous, because of the conditions, and state of our equipment...the others stay because it might change.....Stay long enough then it becomes the only thing you know how to do, to old to get retrained....so they stick with it....because they feel trapped....

So when they say not my fault for sure....., yes we all have a share of that blame....if we all spoke out shit would change.........if the PM came down tonight and said no more NHL games on TV....and the beer store is going to be closed forever there would be riots in the streets, people would be voicing their opinions at rallies, writing MP's shit would soon be changed....and yet, as you say most people don't care about our military,

I've talked to a lot of military guys they feel the same way, end the suffering now...would they miss doing the job sure.....but right now they feel like most Canadians snub them, ....like we belong in glass jars, with a sign break in event of emergency.....The only ones that can change anything here in Canada is the people....all it take is one voice...and once it gains traction it takes off....governments listen.... 

[OftenWrong]

36 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

if the PM came down tonight and said no more NHL games on TV....and the beer store is going to be closed forever there would be riots in the streets, people would be voicing their opinions at rallies, writing MP's shit would soon be changed....and yet, as you say most people don't care about our military,

I've talked to a lot of military guys they feel the same way, end the suffering now...would they miss doing the job sure.....but right now they feel like most Canadians snub them, ....like we belong in glass jars, with a sign break in event of emergency.....The only ones that can change anything here in Canada is the people....all it take is one voice...and once it gains traction it takes off....governments listen.... 

Don't let simpering leftists get to you. I think the majority of Canadians who are aware of this issue do care, and want to see more done for the people in our military. Seems like the government is trying to suppress information about problems the veterans are having, and do not want to provide necessary resources to help the folks who deserve it most. There's a military base in my town, and everyone I know has the utmost respect and love for you army boys and girls. Truly fine people and I want to see them get the proper care they deserve.

[herples]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You should talk to your liberal friends, they are going to combine the coast guard in with the military budget to increase our % of GDP spent on the military....for our NATO allies....

Something the UK also engages in creative accounting for NATO spending. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mod-accused-of-using-creative-accounting-to-meet-nato-commitment-on-defence-spending-a6993526.html

As the article points out the accounting is within NATO guidelines. No different than what Canada would be doing.