-1=e^ipi Posted March 20, 2017 Report Posted March 20, 2017 54 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I'm sure it has nothing to do with the public being so educated with the conditions of our military....and those that served our nation.... No, like for example, I know someone in the military who recently had an injury during exercise. He's not allowed to see a normal specialist like other citizens because some idiot bureaucrats in the military decided to create a military-only specialists because they somehow thought it would lead to better health care. Doesn't make sense to blame the public for idiotic decisions made by bureaucrats. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Posted March 20, 2017 15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: I don't think that's true. There's a difference in disliking a mission and the people who are ordered it vs the people who are ordered to carry it out. Hard to tell the difference, i mean look at some of these posts and you'll see what i mean.....this is the way the majority of canadians feel like, or they don't care one way or another..... Because if they gave a shit.....things would have changed by now.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 20, 2017 Report Posted March 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Hard to tell the difference, i mean look at some of these posts and you'll see what i mean.....this is the way the majority of canadians feel like, or they don't care one way or another..... Because if they gave a shit.....things would have changed by now.... How many voters give a crap about the wars in general? Was our war in Afghanistan much of an election issue? Nobody paid any attention. Unfortunately, people often don't care about anyone but themselves unless they're shocked into reaction. Nobody cared about Syrian refugees until a picture of a dead child washed up on shore. Still nobody cares about the plight of aboriginals come election time. Our soldiers are just another victim of the apathy, and it's terrible. People are too busy on Netflix and Facebook to care. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 20, 2017 Report Posted March 20, 2017 22 hours ago, Bonam said: Why mess with what's not broken? it seems pretty broken if my MP has hardly any power unless they're in cabinet and kissing the King's err....Prime Minister's butt. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 20, 2017 Report Posted March 20, 2017 On 2017-03-18 at 10:19 PM, eyeball said: If Canada's soldiers had been conscripted to help perpetrate the West's depredations around the planet instead of volunteering this appeal for sympathy would certainly get my support. The people who willfully supported paying for this should be the one's paying for the consequences. Those of us who've had our hard-earned tax dollars conscripted to squander on one useless military adventure after another have invested enough. For pete's sake man, these people have injuries, mental and physical. The least we can do is help them. A lot of young men and women who don't know much about how our politics work and want to help defend our country get sent to these wars as pawns, and come back damaged or broken or dead. We may not like some of the missions, but our soldiers are still necessary to defend Canada. Sure these people need to take responsibility for their actions but we also can't relegate them to the gutter. They didn't sign up to murder people and watch rapes happen and do nothing, they signed up to defend their country. I think many soldiers are a bit naive and aren't aware how they're being taken advantage of, but that's part of the tragedy. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 20, 2017 Report Posted March 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Hard to tell the difference, i mean look at some of these posts and you'll see what i mean.....this is the way the majority of canadians feel like, or they don't care one way or another..... Because if they gave a shit.....things would have changed by now.... I think some feel like eyeball but not most. It's apathy, people don't know what's going on. And the press reports about the war, but they don't report about things like the widows of the dead soldiers who have to raise their baby alone, or the marriages that break up because a soldier comes back with PTSD, or the health of the soldiers themselves. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Army Guy Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said: No, like for example, I know someone in the military who recently had an injury during exercise. He's not allowed to see a normal specialist like other citizens because some idiot bureaucrats in the military decided to create a military-only specialists because they somehow thought it would lead to better health care. Doesn't make sense to blame the public for idiotic decisions made by bureaucrats. That is not the case at all, the military does have it's own medical care system, and for specialist they are contracted out like anything else they don't have....they are the cheapest bidders.....like any branch or job you have a broad spectrum of talent, some good, most average, and some losers....during the afghan conflict our surgeons were some of the best in the world, on one tour they could receive a life time of experience...after the conflict they took that experience and moved on to the civilian world....not all of them but most of them...it was not so we would have a better health care system, but rather more of our injuries are not unique to the civilian world, wounds such as gun shot, or from explosives, or severe burns.....not saying they don't happen in the civilian world just that they are less common...The Canadian hospital in KAF would see hundreds of soldiers each day around the clock....from the stomach flu, to people blown up losing both legs from the hips down was a common injury in a IED blast, it takes a special person to see and work with that every day for 6 months at a time..... Once soldiers are deemed unfit for military duty, the are released....back into civilian world....where we are not accepted as one of you, we are told we need to wait the manitory 6 months before we can get provincial medicare coverage, we are not entitled to work mans comp, but have to apply to the VAC for some form of compensation, such as getting wheel chair access into your home, to make your home wheel chair friendly....do you know who use to do all of that....Canadian soldiers would get to together build it for their returning buddy out of their own pockets....the family would not only have to deal with receiving their father/ husband back from the US hospital in Germany who had everything amputated from the hips down, but the spouse would have to go to the bank and secure a loan to improve the inside of the house...159 members were killed in Afghanistan.....10 times that were wounded.....so it happened a lot.... VAC was suppose to be for vets.....and yet the entire process to have a claim read or actioned was done by a committee that had never served, never been to combat, had no idea on what the military did....so when your trying to explain to them that a rucksack weighed in at 110 lbs, plus you had on top of that your fighting kit that weighed in at another 40 lbs....they could not fathom just how heavy that is....and have shrugged that piece of evidence off as to contributing to back problems...Note: Every committee is made up of different people all the time, so they do not benefit from any experience... These committees are made up of the average Canadian citizen, and they want the biggest bang for their tax dollar....I am not sure what they are briefed before they start deliberation, but only a few rare cases have been awarded the maximum claim which today is 360,000 a one time payment....every blue moon is when the maximum is awarded , normally done when the member has died....but not in all cases, death of a member is not an automatic maximum pay out.....Note that a member if his condition gets worse can reapply for another hearing and if it is positive then may receive a smaller pay out....But it will not exceed the maximum of 360,000 in one life time.... Problem with a payout is once the vet pays all of his bills there is not enough to live off for the rest of his life.....that is why we wanted to bring back the monthly check back in, so the pay out last longer and in some cases lasts until CPP kicks in.... Just for the record Dept of vet affairs has turned in Bils of unused tax dollars most years.... So where do soldiers turn to in their time of need , freinds and family, but for a vet with PTSD even family has a limit on patients and money, these people men and women are then forced onto the streets.... It's one thing to buy a bumper sticker and say you support our troops....it's another to write your MP and demand things change.....it is not right what is happening.... So when you say this is a bureaucrats problem ...your right , but we all know they won't take action until the people demand they do.....so until then Vets get the shitty end of the stick.... Edited March 20, 2017 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Posted March 20, 2017 19 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: I think some feel like eyeball but not most. It's apathy, people don't know what's going on. And the press reports about the war, but they don't report about things like the widows of the dead soldiers who have to raise their baby alone, or the marriages that break up because a soldier comes back with PTSD, or the health of the soldiers themselves. I wish people would educate themselves soon, I see the effects every week in the media, more and more suicides, i hear from my comrades that so and so, has lost everything money, home, family and was last seen downtown toronto homeless, i also hear to many stories of vets losing homes, and everything the bank owns, they worked all their careers to get, because pensions payments are 4-5-6 months late, try telling your bank Hey our government is good for the money.....they smile,...and tell you sorry they is nothing we can do, you have 60 days to make good on all your payments....60 days come and goes, the sheriff or RCMP arrive at your home to kick you out....you have served the nation for 25 plus years, been on countless tours of duty, risked your life on each one at least once. the police guy shrugs his shoulders....sorry, i'm just doing my job... it is a slap in your face, that everything you believed in is starting to crumble....you thought that would not happen in Canada.....we are wrong....it happens all the time....and it is happening to our vets.... How many times has the soldier that lost both of his legs in combat in the service of his country, had to prove to his government that he did in fact loss his legs , and that by some miracle they did not grow back...every year he does this every year it gets reported in the media....he is not alone, and his numbers grow daily.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
GostHacked Posted March 20, 2017 Report Posted March 20, 2017 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: Your right i did volunteer, and while you were hiding in moms basement or in the tree in the backyard, many like me were over helping others that could not help themselves.... You were not there to benefit the average Afghani. You were there because of foreign policy, NATO and pipelines. You were used by rich corporate elites to do their bidding. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
hot enough Posted March 20, 2017 Report Posted March 20, 2017 20 hours ago, Army Guy said: Been reading scary stories under your bed again.....When has our nations military posed a threat to the Canadian people.....drum role please.....never... Perhaps you can provide a source that would explain all of these fears you have about our military... My greatest concern, and history has shown us that it is completely justified, is that Canada's military has been, is being used to bring great harm, death and other major harm to peoples all over the world. Again, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were illegal invasions, war crimes. The lies of the US government on 911 have been exposed. Our nation's military is exposing its military personnel to grave harm by engaging in these war crimes. Quote External Affairs minister Lester Pearson sent Syngman Rhee, who became president, a note declaring “full recognition by the Government of Canada of the Republic of Korea as an independent sovereign State with jurisdiction over that part of the Korean peninsula in which free elections were held on May 10 1948, under the observation of the United Nations Temporary Commission.” Conversely, Ottawa refused to recognize the North, which held elections after the South, and opposed its participation in UNTCOK reports. For Pearson the South held “free elections” while those in the North “had not been held in a democratic manner” since the Soviets did not allow UNTCOK to supervise them. After leaving office Pearson contradicted this position, admitting “Rhee’s government was just as dictatorial as the one in the North, just as totalitarian. Indeed, it was more so in some ways.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-korean-atrocity-forgotten-us-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity/5335525 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 20, 2017 Author Report Posted March 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, GostHacked said: You were not there to benefit the average Afghani. You were there because of foreign policy, NATO and pipelines. You were used by rich corporate elites to do their bidding. Your right our military is a tool that is used in our enforcement of our foreign policy, along with our obligations towards NATO....... Pipelines....not so much, there are no pipelines running through Afghanistan, not then and not now....Maybe one day....but not today....you can believe what ever you like.....But for the Soldiers on the ground this mission was what ever we put into it....and to say we did not benefit the average Afghani is false....below is some areas were we helped individual afghanis citizens.....note that the list does not include the effort , time, and funding provided by soldier initiatives that seen schools built, ambulances/ fire trucks purchased,the hundreds of wells drilled.....along with the projects started by soldiers families like all the hats and mittens knitted by grandmothers of soldiers, the kids winter clothing collected by soldiers wives.... not to mention the vast effort of regular Canadian citizens and their clothing drives/toys drives , school supplies, etc etc..... To say we did not have a personal effect on the people in our vast area of operations is false...to say it was not part of the plan is false..... Did i enrich some corporate types....perhaps if they produced ammo for the CF then yes i did contribute ....if you mean was i guarding the non existent pipelines, or open pit mines that are reported to have exist then ,....no .....never seen any of that shit.....I spent my tours in the back of a lav most of the time, driving around looking for bad men....making Afghan just a little safer one bad guy at a time....they spent their time terrorizing the locals and trying to blow me up..... Quote Additionally, Foreign Affairs Canada stated that the commitment was more than just military, employing a "whole of government approach", in which a Provincial Reconstruction Team (PRT), utilizing personnel from the military, Foreign Affairs, the Canadian International Development Agency and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, would provide a dual role of security as well as reconstruction of the country and political structure.[12] Quote "Signature" projects[edit] Following the recommendations of the Manley report, the Canadian government has sought to highlight several so-called "signature" projects in Kandahar Province.[36] The government of Canada's communications on Afghanistan website highlights:[42] Dahla Dam and irrigation system: Canada will put $50 million over three years toward this project to assist with irrigation and basic services across the region. It is believed that it will create 10,000 seasonal jobs. Education: Canada will put $12 million over three years into improving the education system across Kandahar. Polio eradication: Canada will put up to $60 million over three years toward this project to see the immunization of an estimated seven million children across Afghanistan, including 350,000 in the province of Kandahar. As a result of these signature projects, “Within five years, more than six thousand schools have been rebuilt and six of thirteen million children are now in school. Roads and bridges have been repaired, new roads have been built, and new wells have been dug. Access to health clinics is vastly better than it was five years ago and the infant mortality rate is beginning to drop. Programs in rural transportation, safe drinking water, irrigation, and schools are among the twenty thousand projects that are now underway.”[43] The work of the NSP has also seen tremendous progression in the Afghan government. For example, “More than sixteen thousand locally elected community development councils now dot Afghanistan, and elected leaders choose projects that meet their priorities.”[43] Other operations[edit] Canada’s naval contribution to the Afghanistan War was part of the American-lead Combined Task Force 150 (CTF 150). The purpose of which is for maritime patrol and enforcement near Afghanistan.[44] Originally Canada served as part of Operation APOLLO but after its conclusion in October 2003 it was designated Operation ALTAIR in January 2004.[44] ALTAIR ended on September 2008 and its duties transferred to Operation SAIPH which has more of a focus on the Horn of Africa region.[45] The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has increased activities abroad, including in support of Canada's participation in the war in Afghanistan. The executive director of its civilian oversight committee noted in January 2009 that this has noticeably altered the spy agency and urged policy improvements to manage its growing operations overseas.[46] Canada has assisted in the collection, storage and decommissioning of 10,000 heavy weapons left in Afghanistan including artillery, tanks and rocket launchers, used in decades of conflict in the country.[12] Canada has helped clear about one third of the estimated 10 to 15 million mines in Afghanistan.[12] Canada has lent money to over 140,000 people in Afghanistan.[12] Canada has helped train the Afghan police and army.[12][47] Since December 2001, Canada has been an active participant in the civilian-led United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan. The Canadian military terms it Operation ACCIUS. In September 2005 Canada initiated the Strategic Advisory Team – Afghanistan (SAT-A), known as Operation ARGUS, to mentor aspects of the Afghan government on defence issues. It usually contains around fifteen personnel and one Canadian International Development Agency official.[48][49] The SAT-A had often been considered a pet project of CDS Rick Hillier and was shut down August 2008 a month after his retirement.[50] Since early 2006, the Canadian Operational Mentoring and Liaison Team (OMLT) has helped to train and equip the Afghan National Army to take over security when the coalition pulls out. Currently the OMLT consists of around 200 personnel training 1,000 Afghan soldiers of the 1st Brigade, 205th Corps. The OMLT also has a subgroup that mentors the Afghan National Police.[48][51] Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, hot enough said: My greatest concern, and history has shown us that it is completely justified, is that Canada's military has been, is being used to bring great harm, death and other major harm to peoples all over the world. Again, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were illegal invasions, war crimes. The lies of the US government on 911 have been exposed. Our nation's military is exposing its military personnel to grave harm by engaging in these war crimes. I don't disagree with your sentiment, but technically Iraq was an illegal invasion but Afghanistan was sanctioned by the UN and NATO. Al-Qaeda needed to be attacked in response for 9/11, and the Taliban needed to be punished for supporting and harbouring them, it was just the nation-building and total defeat of the Taliban/insurgents that was very foolish. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, hot enough said: ...Our nation's military is exposing its military personnel to grave harm by engaging in these war crimes. If you mean illegal wars like Canada's bombing of Serbia....OK...but conspiring to illegally topple and kidnap the president of Haiti in 2004 was not as risky. That was a no-brainer for Liberal PM Martin. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
-1=e^ipi Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: That is not the case at all, the military does have it's own medical care system I made no such claim. My claim was about the existence of military-only specialists. 4 hours ago, hot enough said: Again, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were illegal invasions, war crimes. Afghanistan invasion was legal. Quote
hot enough Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Quote Moonlight Graham said: 3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Al-Qaeda needed to be attacked in response for 9/11, and the Taliban needed to be punished for supporting and harbouring them but Afghanistan was sanctioned by the UN and NATO. That lie, like all the other 911 lies, is simply false. Quote Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was every bit as illegal as the invasion of Iraq. Why, then, do so many Americans see it as justifiable? By Marjorie Cohn http://www.alternet.org/story/93473/afghanistan%3A_the_other_illegal_war 1 Quote
hot enough Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Al-Qaeda needed to be attacked in response for 9/11, and the Taliban needed to be punished for supporting and harbouring them Why did anyone need to be attacked for 9-11? You aren't up to speed on the facts. The US was negotiating with the Taliban into August of 2001 to get a gas pipeline. They had been wining and dining the Taliban in the US, taking them on tours of Mt Rushmore. They were tight with the Taliban. The FBI never had Osama bin Laden as a person wanted for the 911 attacks. He had nothing to do with it. It was all a scam. You haven't heard about the new study that says the chances of the NIST WTC7 report being accurate as to the building coming down by "normal office fires"is ZERO. WTC7 came down by controlled demolition. That means the twin towers were also controlled demolitions. All these illegal invasions - huge war crimes, millions murdered because of US lies. 1 Quote
hot enough Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, -1=e^ipi said: Afghanistan invasion was legal. See reply to Moonlight Graham. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, hot enough said: Why did anyone need to be attacked for 9-11? ... ....WTC7 came down by controlled demolition. That means the twin towers were also controlled demolitions. This reads like more 911 Truther ranting than anything to do with Canadian Forces being used as pawns. The WTC was bombed in 1993...long before 911. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, hot enough said: The FBI never had Osama bin Laden as a person wanted for the 911 attacks. He had nothing to do with it. It was all a scam. You haven't heard about the new study that says the chances of the NIST WTC7 report being accurate as to the building coming down by "normal office fires"is ZERO. WTC7 came down by controlled demolition. That means the twin towers were also controlled demolitions. All these illegal invasions - huge war crimes, millions murdered because of US lies. Conspiracy nonsense. There were lots of lies thrown around but gimme a break with the truther stuff. As for Afghanistan and the UN: https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0ahUKEwjcqcmm2-bSAhVi4IMKHUw7BJ0QFgg9MAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fresearchbriefings.files.parliament.uk%2Fdocuments%2FSN05340%2FSN05340.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHsUPsbndCmWV-DjlMKKK4YtWtH4A&sig2=F9UhTSWadq9GPXOdBJJmPw&bvm=bv.150120842,d.amc&cad=rja Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
hot enough Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Conspiracy nonsense. There were lots of lies thrown around but gimme a break with the truther stuff. If you are are not willing to look at the science, you will soon be forced to. The two year study I referenced describes the impossible nonsense that was the non-peer reviewed NIST. Here is the exchange between the lawyer and Prof Hulsey Daniel Sheehan [lawyer]: "On a scale of 1 to a 100, ... how probable do you think it is, or how possible do you think it is that this building [WTC7] could have collapsed simply because of the fires?" Professor Hulsey: "Zero." Professor Hulsey also said and I paraphrase, WTC7 was built asymmetrically, stiffer on one side than the other, for gods sake, even a symmetrically built building cannot come down in this fashion without being forced down. WTC7 fell at free fall speed for the first 2.5 seconds, 105 feet, 8 floors of its demise. Only controlled demolition can do that. From fully supported to totally unsupported. The alleged hijackers didn't do that. That means that the twin towers were also controlled demolition. If you require links, just ask me. 1 Quote
hot enough Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: but our soldiers are still necessary to defend Canada. See how easily the propaganda drips from folks' mouths. There was nothing at all that was threatening Canada, or the USA for that matter. Same thing back in the 1950s when the USA was aligning itself with right wing Japanese troops who were still in Korea and the US was setting itself up to take over a country that was a Japanese colony since, what, 1910? 1 Quote
dre Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: I don't disagree with your sentiment, but technically Iraq was an illegal invasion but Afghanistan was sanctioned by the UN and NATO. Al-Qaeda needed to be attacked in response for 9/11, and the Taliban needed to be punished for supporting and harbouring them, it was just the nation-building and total defeat of the Taliban/insurgents that was very foolish. Actually the Taliban thought Binladen was a pain in the ass, and they warned the US prior to 911 that he was planning an attack on US soil. They were also in talks with the US to turn him over prior to the attack, but the Americans botched the whole thing. Also including to Pakistani officials that managed back-channel communications between the US and the Taliban, the US position on Afghanistan had morphed into "regime change" a long time before 911. It will be a long time before we know the whole story... it took 40 years to find out that the US faked the incident that lead to the Vietnam war. I dont buy into any of the various conspiracy theories out there, but one thing we for certain is this... Any positions or statements by the US government have to be taken with a grain of salt. This is not an honest or scrupulous organization. Maybe after 20 or 30 years of documents trickling out due to FOI requests we will have a better picture of the whole thing. 1 Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said: I made no such claim. My claim was about the existence of military-only specialists. Afghanistan invasion was legal. Talking about wars and invasions in the context of legality is kind of pointless. There's not really such a thing as "international law". Just a patchwork of treaties, and a small group of countries with the might to make whatever decisions they want (permanent UNSC members). The "law" only applies to you if there's an able and interested posse willing to enforce it. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
-1=e^ipi Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, hot enough said: See how easily the propaganda drips from folks' mouths. There was nothing at all that was threatening Canada, or the USA for that matter. Same thing back in the 1950s when the USA was aligning itself with right wing Japanese troops who were still in Korea and the US was setting itself up to take over a country that was a Japanese colony since, what, 1910? Too bad they failed and the people of North Korea suffer as a result. Quote
hot enough Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 4 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said: Too bad they failed and the people of North Korea suffer as a result. The people of Korea suffer, and have suffered as a result of the US occupation. All the rapes by US soldiers, all the Koreans lined up and machine gunned into pits dug, as long as a football field. The US has been threatening the north with nuclear annihilation, it has been terrorizing Korea since WWII. 1 Quote
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