kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Benz said: You are very naive if you think that it would change anything in the mind of a terrorist. Think about it. The guy is ready to commit an horrible crime and deal with all the consequences that go with it. Do you really think that losing its canadian citizenship weigh anything in the balance? Picture this... "I will kill alot of people, I will end up in jail for life, or I will suicide myself, I will be know as a terrorist anywhere on this planet... but at least I will not lose my canadian citizenship, so let's do it. Oh wait, what? Now I can lose that citizenship, ahhh shoot! ok I won't do it then." Is it how you think it will works? What garanty you have the terrorist will be considered terrorist in its native country? Yes in some countries the terrorists will have a really hard time, but in some others not. One thing for sure, the family of a potential terrorist will fear to reveal information to the authorities if it means that it can lead to citizenship revokation. To me, this weigh way more than anything else. Then that lives some room for governments to understand and educate their home grown terrorists and make sure it will never happen again instead of moaning about it and blaming everyone for the actions of the terrorists! Quote
PIK Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, kactus said: Just saying you want to take an isolationist approach as many of you here are insinuating that Canada is a land for white Christisns only who share same values and culrure thdn maybe you should learn these lessons from some European countries like UK that have far more history in understanding the role non white/ non christian immigrants have played in their society over decades. Something that some racist white nationslists (pardon the language) will never get through their thick skulls.... White christians should be the majority in this country, they built it, with help of course. And lets use the UK and europe and how thier cities are becoming cesspools. And do you even know what racism is? If you think a racist is someone who cares about his country, it's history, values and traditions, then I am one. Why cant white christians not have a country to call their own. And speaking of europe, if you are ever there go check out the Canadian military cemeteries and see all those white boys that are buried over there. Some are related to me. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, PIK said: Quote White christians should be the majority in this country, they built it, with help of course. For UK, Germany and France immigrants helped build those countries...It is not just white Christians. I am sorry but you really cannot have it both ways colonising other countries asking them to build your country and when the country is flourishing tell them to f*ck off it is now a white christian country. That's the history of Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_peoples_in_Canada Quote And lets use the UK and europe and how thier cities are becoming cesspools. That's is such a racist thing to say! Just because the Brits have been bringing Indians and Pakistanis to thew country to build their country for over 70 years those cesspools that are judged by the colour of their skin are not just simply gonna vanish just because some racist f*cktard doesn't like it anymore...(I am sorry to lose the temper but it really gets me when people have no clue what these immigrants have been put through...) Quote And do you even know what racism is? Much better than you do...Don't even doubt it.... Quote If you think a racist is someone who cares about his country, it's history, values and traditions, then I am one. Caring about own country is one thing, judging the whole current structure of inhabitants of a country based on colour of skin of people is what I would like to term as genetically racist that cannot be helped...I suppose racist genes do exist after all.... Quote Why cant white christians not have a country to call their own. Why can't non-judgemental white Christians appreciate the value non christian immigrants have contributed to their country and live side by side? Quote And speaking of europe, if you are ever there go check out the Canadian military cemeteries and see all those white boys that are buried over there. Some are related to me. Whilst I appreciate you sharing this piece of information and I cannot see how this is related to the topic... Edited March 23, 2017 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Islam built this great land...Canada. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Genocide built this "great" land - Canada, with as much if not more support from "patriotic" Canadians as the German people gave Hitler. Edited March 23, 2017 by hot enough Quote
Army Guy Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, kactus said: That's is such a racist thing to say! Just because the Brits have been bringing Indians and Pakistanis to thew country to build their country for over 70 years those cesspools that are judged by the colour of their skin are not just simply gonna vanish just because some racist f*cktard doesn't like it anymore...(I am sorry to lose the temper but it really gets me when people have no clue what these immigrants have been put through...) It seems like your stating a fact that Indians, and Pakistanis are responsible for building the UK...a while they may have played a small part in doing that you have forgotten the many other races that did more for the UK than say the indians or Pakistanis.... How does the fact that today most races, creeds, religion types, language tend to gyrate together in these cities, and form there own groups,speaking their own language, continuing with their own cultures, and religious practices....not bothering to conform or try to fit in with Canadian culture or in the example provided with British culture....This is by no means the multi cultural country that most people are trying to sell in Canada anyways.....it's all bullshit....they did not come here to be part of some pet project that a few white boys of privilege play at meaning our government. They came to be part of the Canadian dream we live every day....to get a taste of our freedoms and rights....because they have proven over and over again they can not live together peacefully with they're own kind..... It is fact that some cultures do not do as well as others, with little work skills, or employment skills they become more dependant on social welfare....with entire communities of the same people , in the same situation they become areas of the city no many want to vist, let alone live....Stating this fact is racist how, because of the language used, or the way it was presented.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 27 minutes ago, hot enough said: Genocide built this "great" land - Canada, with as much if not more support from "patriotic" Canadians as the German people gave Hitler. No genocides in Canada. We did have the Chilcotin War here in BC, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilcotin_War Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It is fact that some cultures do not do as well as others, with little work skills, or employment skills they become more dependant on social welfare....with entire communities of the same people , in the same situation they become areas of the city no many want to vist, let alone live....Stating this fact is racist how, because of the language used, or the way it was presented.... Quote It seems like your stating a fact that Indians, and Pakistanis are responsible for building the UK...a while they may have played a small part in doing that you have forgotten the many other races that did more for the UK than say the Indians or Pakistanis.... Just stating the obvious of the contribution of non white skinned colour immigrants namely Pakistanis and Indian to build the transport infrastructure. Of course not forgetting the rest. Quote How does the fact that today most races, creeds, religion types, language tend to gyrate together in these cities, and form there own groups,speaking their own language, continuing with their own cultures, and religious practices....not bothering to conform or try to fit in with Canadian culture or in the example provided with British culture....This is by no means the multi cultural country that most people are trying to sell in Canada anyways.....it's all bullshit.... Whilst to some degree the non conformity is an issue that's what makes capital cities like London so diverse and cosmopolitan. Everyone wants to come here. The way I see it I love it when I can buy my authentic best curry or Chinese stir fry in those highly dense populated regions. But hey that's me! Quote they did not come here to be part of some pet project that a few white boys of privilege play at meaning our government. They came to be part of the Canadian dream we live every day....to get a taste of our freedoms and rights....because they have proven over and over again they can not live together peacefully with they're own kind..... Why would you care if they are paying their taxes contributing to the society with the type of skill they are offering? Living the american dream was something that was giving an opportunity to anyone who had the brain and guts to make it happen. Why should it matter if that person pursuing the dream is black, yellow, brown or in some rare cases green? Quote
hot enough Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 31 minutes ago, Army Guy said: .because they have proven over and over again they can not live together peacefully with they're own kind..... Talk about blinders. The USA had a gigantic civil war. And as for others, when they are constantly illegally invaded, as the US has done over 70 times since WWII, when the US has committed acts of terrorism by overthrowing governments all over the world, when the US constantly uses its terrorist organization to foment trouble, it is hardly surprising that there is no peace in those countries. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 41 minutes ago, kactus said: Just stating the obvious of the contribution of non white skinned colour immigrants namely Pakistanis and Indian to build the transport infrastructure. Of course not forgetting the rest. Whilst to some degree the non conformity is an issue that's what makes capital cities like London so diverse and cosmopolitan. Everyone wants to come here. The way I see it I love it when I can buy my authentic best curry or Chinese stir fry in those highly dense populated regions. But hey that's me! Why would you care if they are paying their taxes contributing to the society with the type of skill they are offering? Living the american dream was something that was giving an opportunity to anyone who had the brain and guts to make it happen. Why should it matter if that person pursuing the dream is black, yellow, brown or in some rare cases green? Of course you are stating the obvious , could you perhaps tell us the numbers of non white workers and the numbers of white workers at all the job sites, i mean you claim that it was namely non white workers that constructed transport infra structure.....I'd like to know what the percentages where....had to be some poor white guys mixed in there right.... I would say it is a huge issue for both sides of the house would it not.........that is not diversity....or the mixing pot that our fore fathers had in mind....most large cities, one can name a area and a local can tell you the ethic back ground of that area.....How is it that in a lot of larger citys, there is china towns , where even the store names are in chinese, the working language is chinese, the culture is chinese, How is that diversity.....one could provide examples for most cultures in our larger cities....take a drive down most of these areas, and you'll see, there is no attempt to become Canadian....you'd be hard pressed to see anything Canadian in these blocks....I am not saying there is not people who have become part of the diversity project, and except both cultures as equal....i mean Indi culture have their own hockey night in Canada.....in indi ....diveristy i thought was a 50 /50 deal.....but in our larger cities it does not mean that at all, it's china town or little indi, etc etc....and you can't tell me you can't get good curry from an indi family in the suburbs, that have attempted to at least make a 50 50 attempt.... Why would i care because like i have said some cultures for some countries do not have the job skills or education to get a average paying job in the cities , and when you band enough of them together then these areas are the poorer areas around town, soon to become slums....Yes it happens to white people as well....has our government down anything to correct the problem....no, instead they continue the same strategy as last uear hoping for a different result...Cut back on the numbers of these cultures, and invest money into getting them the training and education to get good jobs....but that would be racist.....because now we are targeting a specific peoples .....They are not paying their taxes....you need to earn a certain dollar value before you pay taxes.....are you telling me that these small communities around each city everyone is trying to live the american dream....that they are pursuing education, getting good paying jobs and moving out of the slums...because they are getting bigger not smaller......what is the problem.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, hot enough said: Talk about blinders. The USA had a gigantic civil war. And as for others, when they are constantly illegally invaded, as the US has done over 70 times since WWII, when the US has committed acts of terrorism by overthrowing governments all over the world, when the US constantly uses its terrorist organization to foment trouble, it is hardly surprising that there is no peace in those countries. Who is talking about the US, US did this , US did that.....you cares....If your saying that the middle east is a peaceful nation , one that follows Islam as it is written, the religion of peace.....and that it is Americans fault because they can not live with each other, let alone with anyone else........i mean the facts are there black and white Muslims kill more Muslims than any other race in the world, turn on your TV.....and there will be a muslim mentioned tonight...every night, .....how are we suppose to translate that into the worlds most peaceful religion.......That is is the US fault them infidel bastards....... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
PIK Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, hot enough said: Talk about blinders. The USA had a gigantic civil war. And as for others, when they are constantly illegally invaded, as the US has done over 70 times since WWII, when the US has committed acts of terrorism by overthrowing governments all over the world, when the US constantly uses its terrorist organization to foment trouble, it is hardly surprising that there is no peace in those countries. A civil war over slavery, did you know that blacks and muslims have sold more slaves than poor old whitey, asI have mentioned before. And these people have been slaughtering themselves long before NA was in the game. Look at we have done in 150 yrs compare to a 1000 for others. Some people just can't get along with others. Edited March 23, 2017 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 21 hours ago, kactus said: Argus, how far is the piece of string? by that logic the aboriginis should claim ownership to Australia and red indians to US instead of red necks. I"m not sure why people continually bring up aborigines as a shield against complaints that immigration is too high. Isn't the example of how the aborigines were completely subsumed in foreign peoples and pushed aside the clearest one possible as to why you want to slow down immigration? I mean, if the aborigines had been able to control the number of newcomers they wouldn't be living on reserves now. 21 hours ago, kactus said: But we know very well those days are gone same as your idea of thinking that I want Canada or US to be just for white people from Europe. It's not gonna happen.... It's got nothing to do with skin colour. Shared national values occur where people grow up together and share the history and culture of a land. 21 hours ago, kactus said: even they have come to realization that the brown people from Asia notably India and Pakistan are tgere to stay whether some white native brits like it or not. That is the reality and Canada has a long way to go yet... Again, you resort to cheap tactics by talking about skin colour. The reason I am not enthusiastic about large numbers of Paksitanis coming here is not their brown skin but their harsh, even vicious religious values. or have you not looked at what life is like in Pakistan these days? Go ahead. Go to Pakistan and start talking about how what their Imams are saying are wrong. You'll be torn about by a mob within minutes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, kactus said: That's is such a racist thing to say! Just because the Brits have been bringing Indians and Pakistanis to thew country to build their country for over 70 years those cesspools that are judged by the colour of their skin are not just simply gonna vanish just because some racist f*cktard doesn't like it anymore...(I am sorry to lose the temper but it really gets me when people have no clue what these immigrants have been put through...) What concerns us is not what immigrants have been through but what their impact has been on the natives. It appears that majority of violent crime, riots, gang violence, sexual violence, etc. is coming from the shall we say 'newly arrived' communities. Edited March 23, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, PIK said: A civil war over slavery, did you know that blacks and muslims have sold more slaves than poor old whitey, asI have mentioned before. Cite please. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Cite please. It's actually fairly logical. It wasn't Europeans or Americans that hunted down Africans to take as slaves. It was other Africans, including Arabs, who then sold them to the Americans and Europeans. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 9 hours ago, PIK said: White christians should be the majority in this country, they built it, with help of course. And lets use the UK and europe and how thier cities are becoming cesspools. And do you even know what racism is? If you think a racist is someone who cares about his country, it's history, values and traditions, then I am one. Why cant white christians not have a country to call their own. And speaking of europe, if you are ever there go check out the Canadian military cemeteries and see all those white boys that are buried over there. Some are related to me. This Jew has no problem with what you said. How can I? I am treated just fine in Canada which as far as I know is still Christian majority. Most Christians I know also have no problem with Jews having a country or Muslims having their own countries or India being Hindu, or Thailand being Buddhist or China being atheist, I have no problem with Queen Liz being the head of an Anglican state or a Catholic Vatican? Maybe at one point you guys would have made me nervous. Say back in the 30's, 40's even 50's. You Christians have come a long way. I got no problems with your festivities. I won't burn up when you celebrate Christmas. I must admit most of my friends are Christians. You guys are obessed with golf, plaid, mayonnaise, Anne Murray, but you mean well. Seriously I have no problems. Where we might have an argument is I am secular. I don't think any religion belongs in a public place or in schools. I follow the American libertarian or classic Conservative approach to religion which believes its a private matter but pretending Canada was not founded by aboriginal and then later developed by Christians is dumb. The foundation of our Parliament is based on Christian laws, to be more specific Judeo-Christian ones and this friggin country is stable because of them and our deliberate choice despite what some say to incorporate aboriginal customs into our laws as well. Anyways for a secular new age putz, I got no problem with what you said. I am not sure why you needed to put the word white though in front of Christians. Many slaves that escaped to Canada and helped found it were Christian too and supported by white Christians who were colour blind. I don't think the skin colour is the real issue. I think other values that have nothing to do with skin colour are what is phacking up this country, That;s my personal opinion PIK. I think myself, white refugees or white immigrants are being discriminated against but its not right to use skin colour as a criteria of merit. I think the pendelum has swung so far left its pissing on people simply because they are white and Christian yes but this comes from a Jew and I say to you as blunt as possible, where I sit PIK, everyone sooner or later hates Jews so we had to create Israel. You Christians have Western nations. You aint alone like us guys. You will do just fine Your religion is going nowhere. I might disagree with fundamentalist Christians on abortion but not on its traditional origins and links to this country and the fact the majority of you are still Christian and should not hide that in this country. You did good by me. This country has been something my Jewish ancestors could only dream of and its precisely because of Christian tolerance that evolved-it didn't come easy but you guys evolved to the level you are at today. That Queen of England is not a bad old biddy. Her symbols have stood the test of many a war. Quote
Rue Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Argus said: It's actually fairly logical. It wasn't Europeans or Americans that hunted down Africans to take as slaves. It was other Africans, including Arabs, who then sold them to the Americans and Europeans. With due respect in addition to Arabs, Jews and Christians were directly involved in slave trade. The people though with due respect who hunted down slaves were working for fat cat Christians and some Jews as well as Muslims.. Fair is Fair. There's an ugly part to all our religions' histories. Edited March 24, 2017 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Cite please. Slavery in the Arab World Paperback – Apr 21 1998 by Murray Gordon (Author) Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 Here is the claim PIK made: blacks and muslims have sold more slaves than poor old whitey Can PIK back up his claim ? That is my question to PIK. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rue Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Cite please. Sorry I thought you wanted a cite. Arab slavery pre-dates Christian slavery. Certain Jews got involved in the slave trade from Britain and France as well. If you look only at time lines, since Arab slavery trade still exists and was happening before Christian slave trade probably that alone suggests it has gone on longer but I don't want to go off on a tangent. Edited March 24, 2017 by Rue Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 You posted a book title. If you want to help PIK for some reason you can post the support for his cite, but I'm not going to read the book. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rue Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: You posted a book title. If you want to help PIK for some reason you can post the support for his cite, but I'm not going to read the book. You should. It proves him right. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 source....PIK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Michael Hardner Posted March 24, 2017 Report Posted March 24, 2017 8 hours ago, Army Guy said: source....PIK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade Ok, still haven't heard from PIK. Anyway, I searched the article for 'white' and only found references to white slaves, nothing about there being fewer white traders than other races. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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