US 2004 Election Irregularities, 2000 All Over

[maplesyrup]

WHISTLEBLOWER AFFIDAVIT: Programmer Built Vote Rigging Prototype at Republican Congressman's Request!

This is quite a serious accusation!

what do we know about BRADBLOG.COM?

[shackwacky]

...Mark commented on 12/7/2004 @ 1:03pm PT...

WOW!! What a hoot. Tell you what I am gonna do with my huge tax cut after I send some to the RNC. I am going to buy lots of stock in aluminum foil. You guys are real wackos.....entertaining but wackos just the same.

Hey don't take my opinion for it. Step back, take off your foil hats and read this thread from top to bottom. Ok you can put your foil back on now.

Keep up the good work.

Mark

I took this from the same site.

If you do as he says, and read the thread, it does fall apart just a wee bit. There is no smoking gun here, just a peeved off ex-employee with a grudge and a conspiracy theory.

[maplesyrup]

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

Maybe others have been learning from the master, eh!

[maplesyrup]

In Cleveland as in Kiev

Just a little oversight when the US talks about the situation in Kiev, eh?

[Big Blue Machine]

Bush won fair and circle. He had more state seats than Gore. Even though Gore had more votes than Bush.

[The Terrible Sweal]

He had more state seats than Gore.

That's the point in dispute. If the Supreme court had permitted Florida to count its ballots, we would know the answer to that. By fraudulently preventing Florida from concluding its election, the Supreme Court effectively appointed Bush. He was not elected.

[Shakeyhands]

can anyone really say that they are surprised by this? You had to know that Rove et al would be up to the same old games. There is no doubt in my mind that Sen. John Kerry really won this election. :angry:

[I miss Reagan]

What a bunch of sour grapes sore losers! Get over your denial. He won both elections fair in square. The NY Times and Washington Post (liberal anti-Bush papers)recounted the Florida votes. He won, you look stupid.

[Shakeyhands]

IMR, you mean Gore and Kerry won them fair and square right?

[Black Dog]

What a bunch of sour grapes sore losers! Get over your denial. He won both elections fair in square. The NY Times and Washington Post (liberal anti-Bush papers)recounted the Florida votes. He won, you look stupid.

Re: 2000. The real issue (extreme irregularities in the vote count aside) was the dienfranchisement of millions of voters. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights (USCCR), produced a report in June 2001 titled "Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election." The report concluded, "Despite the closeness of the election, it was widespread voter disenfranchisement, not the dead-heat contest, that was the extraordinary feature in the Florida election. The disenfranchisement was not isolated or episodic." The USCCR found that African-American voters were at least ten times more likely to have their ballots rejected than other voters and that 83 of the 100 precincts with the most disqualified ballots had black majorities, black voters, of course, vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

In 2004, the issue is the widespread use of electronic voting machines in key districts, machines which leave no paper trail and can be easily hacked. In many districts with electronic voting machines, the results did not match teh exit pols. When the same phenomenon occurred in Ukraine, it was considered evidence of vote fraud. The people at blackboxvoting.org are doing great work keeping an eye on this one.

[I miss Reagan]

Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann announced this morning that five of the seven men arrested in the election-day slashing of Republican vehicles' tires - including the sons of two prominent Milwaukee Democratic politicians - have been charged with felonies and will appear in court this afternoon.

Somehow these kinds of stories get ignored by the mainstream liberal media which portrays the left as victims of disenfranchisment. What I find funny were all the cases of cars bearing W' 04 stickers that were vandalized, I'm only assuming by "tolerant" lefties.

[Shakeyhands]

perhaps a little barbaric... yet still more honest than ballot rigging wouldn't you think?

I think that there is enough in terms of wrong doing, voter suppresion and the rest that kind of overshadow the lack of reporting about some tires being splashed. AND I have seen this story on all the "mainstream" ( and I suppose you mean any network that isn't FOX) media websites, so not really sure where that comes from, unless you are paraphrasing O'Reilly or something....

[Trial-and-Error]

Election Rigging in America

Could anyone have predicted a second Bush "win"? Yes, but only by those who were able to figure out that this Administration would do whatever was necessary to prevail. Hell, even when the media was showing that Kerry was in the lead, I turned off the tv knowing full well that the following morning would show that Junior had won. A Kerry win was impossible. The fix was in well before the sheep got to the polls. Of course, this is yet another one of those conspiracy theories in which only whackos believe.

Hi! My name is Trial-and-Error and I'm a Whacko--of Distinction.

C'mon guys, it's all a matter of plain common sense. That someone would spend hundreds of millions of dollars, lie, cheat, and claw their ways into your hearts to get elected should give you a clue that YOUR well being is NOT their motivator.

When you want to get to the bottom of anything, you question motives. With houses, it's always location, location, location. With politics, it's motivation, motivation, motivation.

Once we get that sorted out, we realize that those in high political places are not there to do a good job for US. They are strictly in the pockets of those who can do THEM the most good--and we're not even in the equation.

Democracy in the truest sense of the word exists only in our minds. The powers that be in democracies are becoming more blatant as they gradually but ever so consistently erode our rights.

Until the majority of us smarten up, the best we can do is choose the lesser of two evils.

The monied and the powerful have everything sewn up because they understand crowd mentality. While it's true that to them the bottom line is everything, you have to believe that a side benefit of crowd ignorance is a jolly good chuckle.

But to me it's dreadfully sad that people don't get it. And for the most part they don't. That parents would willingly sacrifice their own children to champion a cause which benefits only the rich and powerful is distressing to me. Who has the most to lose--the poor slob who believes in the nobility of going to war with people they have no quarrel with. And who has the most to win? As I say, it all comes down to common sense.

As a people we are only as good as our weakest links--and alas we have those in droves.

[August1991]

As a people we are only as good as our weakest links--and alas we have those in droves.

The masses are so easy to manipulate. Those weakest links can be made to think anything the main stream media shows them. They're ignorant lemmings.

But you T&E are most certainly not one of those dupes. Oh no, you are wiser and smarter.

It's obvious! Any intelligent person must come to the same conclusion as you. And if people don't agree with you, well, it must be because they are mindless slaves to corporate media. They've been brainwashed.

I'm glad to know T&E that you have such a high opinion of your fellow citizens. Do you call yourself a democrat or an elitist?

That someone would spend hundreds of millions of dollars, lie, cheat, and claw their ways into your hearts to get elected should give you a clue that YOUR well being is NOT their motivator.

Only hundreds of millions? The US annual federal budget is about $1 trillion. The winner of the US presidential election gets to control directly on a purely discretionary basis a very big chunk of that budget every year for four years. Hundreds of billions of dollars at least.

I'd say a few hundred million is a very low price to get control over hundreds of billions.

T&E, I think you should wonder why it is apparently so cheap to become US president.

[caesar]

He won, you look stupid.

Nope, not us but the Americans who voted him back in sure look stupid.

[Shakeyhands]

Hmmm... Interesting given the Conservative uproar about the tires....

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...ol=968705899037

Dirty tricks land Republican consultant in jail

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — The former head of a Republican consulting group was sentenced today to five months in jail for jamming Democratic telephone lines in several New Hampshire cities during the 2002 election.

[Shakeyhands]

Hmmm... Interesting given the Conservative uproar about the tires....

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...ol=968705899037

Dirty tricks land Republican consultant in jail

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — The former head of a Republican consulting group was sentenced today to five months in jail for jamming Democratic telephone lines in several New Hampshire cities during the 2002 election.

[sitka loche]

before we go and accuse bush of "stealing the presidency",lets ask ourself the question in life. What will i do outside of college? for most of us "americans" we want to invest in stable stocks and set up a strong family with good "american" values (which are now demorealized by the bush administration). For George W. he wanted to take controll of the most powerful country in the world and use it for his own malicious political intentinons. in the 2000 election none of us knew the man would be in office at the time of 9/11. all along bush obviously knew there was oil in the middle eastern region or else he wouldnt have "discovered" it there. he needed some diabolical plot to give him an excuse for the invasion. then all of a sudden the towers are bombed and he blames the iraqis for this. he then claims they have weapons of mass destruction and he needs to invade. if the modern american could have detected this before now i assure you that the moron would not have been re-elected in '04. as for weather or not he actually won the vote, i suggest asking the corrupt politician himself.

[moderateamericain]

He won, you look stupid.

Nope, not us but the Americans who voted him back in sure look stupid.

intresting point of view. however, its clear to me that many of the people you linked are grasping at straws, theres no hard evidence to back it up and theres no "smoking gun" to say for sure. i find it curious that we would be considered "stupid" for doing what we think is best for are country. i know that when i go vote i dont sit in there and think "i wonder what canada will think" and im seriously doubting that you do as well. Another point, to call 60 million americains stupid because you dont agree with are presidential electe is rather "stupid"

[caesar]

i know that when i go vote i dont sit in there and think "i wonder what canada will think" and im seriously doubting that you do as well.

No, we don't but we do look at politicians lying to us and endangering the world for revenge or oil. There were no WMD in Iraq, there was no viable threat to the USA from Iraq. There was no need to risk soldiers and Iraqi citizens lives based on fraudulent documentation, forgeries, and irrelevant 10 year old student's papers.

Do you really believe Bush's action in invading Iraq while they were still substantially cooperating with the UN weapons inspectors has made the USA a safer place to live? Many experts agree that this is not the case. That illegal action has only served to anger Muslim nations and allowed the "terrorists" to recruit more volunteers.

Do you believe that allowing and approving of the torture of prisoners against the Geneva conventions will make the usa A SAFER PLACE??? Do you think that will lead to a more peaceful world. Do you not realize that threats aimed at "rogue" nations with unstable dictators will not make the world safer??? What it has done; is made them declare that the too have nuclear weapons: producing nuclear arms; and building up military preparedness in order to defend themselves from a possible attack by the USA. Bush backs away from confrontation with N Korea probably because he does believe that they do have this nuclear power and would have no hesitation using it.

[Shakeyhands]

Bush backs away from confrontation with N Korea probably because he does believe that they do have this nuclear power and would have no hesitation using it.

I truely believe that. I think that Bush knows that the US cannot afford a war with NK. His 'advisors' and military leaders know that they would have their lunches handed to them.

[moderateamericain]

Bush backs away from confrontation with N Korea probably because he does believe that they do have this nuclear power and would have no hesitation using it.

I truely believe that. I think that Bush knows that the US cannot afford a war with NK. His 'advisors' and military leaders know that they would have their lunches handed to them.

strong possibility, my personal opinion is its not the NK they we are worried about its the Chinese.

[kimmy]

i know that when i go vote i dont sit in there and think "i wonder what canada will think" and im seriously doubting that you do as well.

No, we don't but we do look at politicians lying to us and endangering the world for revenge or oil.

(am I the only one who laughed out loud reading this?)

-kimmy

[moderateamericain]

i know that when i go vote i dont sit in there and think "i wonder what canada will think" and im seriously doubting that you do as well.

No, we don't but we do look at politicians lying to us and endangering the world for revenge or oil.

(am I the only one who laughed out loud reading this?)

-kimmy

no i did laughed at this as well.

[Shakeyhands]

Is this Round # 3 that I see coming? I hope McCain was truely joking about Jeb running in 2008....

Although to be truthful, I think he may be a bit brighter than W.

Republicans tend to be an orderly sort who always choose the next one up, whether it was Bob Dole in 1996 or George W. Bush in 2000. Who's the next one up in 2008?

MCCAIN: Jeb Bush.

(LAUGHTER)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148875,00.html

Its always such a good ole time when the Republicans drop in on their friends a t Fox....