Free Speech or Hate Speech?

[DogOnPorch]

36 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Only in some people's fevered imagination.  

 

Mark Steyn? Ezra Levant? I suppose cases like theirs don't count?

[?Impact]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

And yet, when a couple of dozen people turned up at the mosque where that kind of thing was being preached, to protest it, you felt the need to start a topic to discuss their 'Islamophobia'.

I thought those people were protesting for free speech, despite their Islamophobic signs and shouting that also had nothing to do with specific preaching by Imams. What will be the story next week, they were there protesting for better schools?

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I thought those people were protesting for free speech, despite their Islamophobic signs and shouting that also had nothing to do with specific preaching by Imams. What will be the story next week, they were there protesting for better schools?

What did the signs say that were Islamophobic?

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

And yet, when a couple of dozen people turned up at the mosque where that kind of thing was being preached, to protest it, you felt the need to start a topic to discuss their 'Islamophobia'.

As is usual, you misrepresent what I say.   I asked the question if the protest was "Hate Speech" or "Free Speech"; the majority (myself included) considered it free speech, whether we agreed with it or not.   My opening paragraph didn't even mention Islamaphobia; that came up during the discussion - the word was first mentioned by Betsy on page two.   Perhaps if you paid more attention to what I write instead of assuming you already know .... 

Also, the group's facebook page didn't say they were there to protest Hate Speech against Jews; it said they were rallying in support of Free Speech.   Their signs (that I saw) also didn't say anything about Hate Speech against Jews; they said things like "Ban Islam", "Muslims are terrorists", and "Islam is Hate".   Perhaps if their facebook page and their signs and slogans had said "This Mosque is guilty of Hate Speech against Jews", then it would have looked like a protest against Hate Speech and not anti-Muslim.    If people aren't clear about what they are doing, then it's on them if they are misunderstood.

 

[?Impact]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

What did the signs say that were Islamophobic?

Let's see, the most common sign said "No to Islam". You don't think that qualifies as Islamophobic?

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

Let's see, the most common sign said "No to Islam". You don't think that qualifies as Islamophobic?

No it most certainly doesn't. Islam is 100% for restricting any speech that is critical of both itself and its cult members.

[?Impact]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

No it most certainly doesn't. Islam is 100% for restricting any speech that is critical of both itself and its cult members.

Again an Islamophobic response.

Our Constitution grants freedom of religion, yet you want to ban Islam and call it a cult. I suppose you think there is some 'cult' loophole in that section.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

Again an Islamophobic response.

Our Constitution grants freedom of religion, yet you want to ban Islam and call it a cult. I suppose you think there is some 'cult' loophole in that section.

I can call Islam what I WANT.

[?Impact]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

I can call Islam what I WANT.

Where did I say you couldn't?

Oh yeah, your echo chamber.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

Where did I say you couldn't?

Oh yeah, your echo chamber.

 

When you get your law, you can attempt to shut me-up

Until then.

[?Impact]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

When you get your law, you can attempt to shut me-up

Until then.

What law? I never mentioned any law. Where did you hear about a law? Oh yeah, your echo chamber again.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

What law? I never mentioned any law. Where did you hear about a law? Oh yeah, your echo chamber again.

 

The law that will arise from this motion and study. And since I'm identified as an Islamophobe to team Islam, I'm likely to revel in the role if I'm to be punished for it. You'd think it would silence me. Folks have tried before.

Say NO to Islam...it's a Death Cult.

Contact your local HRC...demand they punish me.

[?Impact]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

Contact your local HRC...demand they punish me.

Who am I to judge, whatever kind of bondage games you play in the bedroom is your own business.

[dialamah]

21 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Mark Steyn? Ezra Levant? I suppose cases like theirs don't count?

 

Anyone who thinks a motion for a study about religious intolerance is akin to a law limiting free speech has a fevered imagination.  

 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Anyone who thinks a motion for a study about religious intolerance is akin to a law limiting free speech has a fevered imagination.  

 

 

Right...I must be delusional to think Muslims tried to silence those two.

[dialamah]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The law that will arise from this motion and study. And since I'm identified as an Islamophobe to team Islam, I'm likely to revel in the role if I'm to be punished for it. You'd think it would silence me. Folks have tried before.

Say NO to Islam...it's a Death Cult.

Contact your local HRC...demand they punish me.

 

Your conservatvely fevered imagination continues to believe that disagreeing with you is an attempt to shut you yup.    Since you constantly disagree with me, shall I whine about how you 'want to shut me up'?  

Perhaps conservatives would like a motion to study people who disagree with them, in the hopes it becomes a law forbidding disagreement of conservative ideology.   I think Kellie Leitch might be the one to propose such a motion.

 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Your conservatvely fevered imagination continues to believe that disagreeing with you is an attempt to shut you yup.    Since you constantly disagree with me, shall I whine about how you 'want to shut me up'?  

Perhaps conservatives would like a motion to study people who disagree with them, in the hopes it becomes a law forbidding disagreement of conservative ideology.   I think Kellie Leitch might be the one to propose such a motion.

 

That wasn't in response to you.

I'm sure if you could push a button and silence me...you would.

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Right...I must be delusional to think Muslims tried to silence those two.

 

Shall I provide a list of right-wingers who try to 'shut people up'?  Perhaps I'll start with Idra Khalid?      

There are plenty of stories of journalists who have been absolutely vilified by right-wingers for saying 'the wrong thing'.  It's wrong, no matter who does it or why.   Do you agree?

 

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

That wasn't in response to you.

I'm sure if you could push a button and silence me...you would.

 

I can. haha.   Notice it's not pushed?

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Shall I provide a list of right-wingers who try to 'shut people up'?  Perhaps I'll start with Idra Khalid?      

There are plenty of stories of journalists who have been absolutely vilified by right-wingers for saying 'the wrong thing'.  It's wrong, no matter who does it or why.   Do you agree?

 

 

Provide the list.

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I can. haha.   Notice it's not pushed?

 

This button doesn't exist yet. But push it you would.

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Provide the list.

This button doesn't exist yet. But push it you would.

 

Sure it does; it's called "ignore".   

I'll get back to you on the list; at the moment I have some offline stuff I need to take care of.  Stay tuned.  

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Sure it does; it's called "ignore".   

I'll get back to you on the list; at the moment I have some offline stuff I need to take care of.  Stay tuned.  

 

Ignore is for cowards. Why come to a forum that features arguments if you use ignore?

Must be a LONG list of silenced Muslims.

[drummindiver]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Possibly. No.

Nobody is calling for silencing Islamophobes, but then you are not listening to what people are saying. Maybe we should call for mandatory reeducation camps for Conservatives, teach them how to listen and that critical thinking means more than repeating nonsense they get from their echo chamber.

Wasn't funny when eyeball said it. Still not.

People ARE calling for silencing dissent against Islam. Lots of people like John Tory denounced the totally legal protest. 

[?Impact]

2 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Lots of people like John Tory denounced the totally legal protest. 

It sounds like you are the one trying to silence dissent. What is wrong with Tory denouncing a protest, legal or otherwise? Why do you want to silence Tory's opinion? I denounce the protest as well, as do many others. What is wrong with that?

[drummindiver]

2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

It sounds like you are the one trying to silence dissent. What is wrong with Tory denouncing a protest, legal or otherwise? Why do you want to silence Tory's opinion? I denounce the protest as well, as do many others. What is wrong with that?

Clearly stating this protest was a hate crime starts the process of making it a hate crime

Enjoy your dissent while you can.